yes so far we have had debates that you generally will not find in a Christian dominated forum...

we have learned that when the going get tough all the disciples abandon Jesus but yet the followers see nothing wrong in this and equate this to love

we have learn that you have to love your children family and yourself less than Jesus ,that it's other issues going on such as low self-esteem or depression...

we have learned that Jesus was teaching Judaism which makes his followers Jews

we have learn that if you ask a follower of Jesus which crime was he charge with...the follower will automatically shut down and repeat over and over that Jesus committed no crime

the question wasn't what crime that Jesus broke...the question was which crime was Jesus charge with....you can never get an answer for this but yet they swear up and down that they answered it

"Faith" in itself makes nothing true or false. You believed I would continually have no clue as to what I am talking about. Or you could say you have complete belief I have no clue what I am talking about. Or you could say you totally doubt that I have any clue on what I'm talking about.

What are you talking about? Nobody said it was "ok" that they did this. Nobody said we support what they did. Why you make false statements?



Absolutely false. There is no such thing as loving someone more then another or loving someone less then another. We obey God before anyone, this much is true. Unless you can explain how you can love another more then someone else. Please give a verse where Jesus specifically says to "love" him "more" then our families and or anyone else for that matter.



Again, no we have not. That's the reason he was crucified, because he was teaching something other then the laws of "Judaism". They did not believe him to be the promissed messiah. So what exactly are you talking about?



Jesus was charged with blasphemey. Because once again, they did not believe him to be the promissed messiah. They did not believe him to be the one he was or that he was doing what he proclaimed to be doing eg., fulfilling the old covenant and giving us a new.

Jesus never sat on the throne of David and ruled in his lifetime so why would they believe him to be the messiah.
Also where does it state in the Old Testament that a messiah gets a second chance on earth to fullfil the prophecies he should have done the first time.
Also where does it state in the old testament that the messiah shall rise from the dead on the 3rd day?

Let me guess "it's a christian thang"

if Faith makes nothing true nor false...then can you deny..that Faith only lies in the mind of the beholder?

Cowboy 1...there is no sure thing as loving someone more than another
Cowboy 2....Jesus demand that we love him above all others

ok...now which one of those other 2 Cowboys will "Cowboy 3" agree or disagrre with

Jesus did not come to change the laws of Moses which was Jewish
Jesus upheld the Jewish Commandments ..
Jesus taught in a Jewish synagogue
Jesus was also Jewish

can you deny that his followers in the bible were Jewish

if you can't ...it's because he was teaching Judaism

Cowboy...surely you don't believe that Jesus was the only person killed for claiming to be a Messiah....

it's only natural that everyone wants to believe that their Messiah is the real Messiah...but Jesus didn't have sufficient proof that he was the Messiah

look at Moses...he had seas part and wipe out all of Pharo's first born...all Jesus did was turn water into Wine...which all the alcoholics in the city knew how to do

I just joined this site, so as I was checking thru' the Christian forum, this post caught my attention(the blasphemous post). I just thought perhaps we are leaving in the end times where satan is fighting real hard to brain wash & snatch God's children away.

You know what Cowboy? You really have a good heart! I'm sure not everyone would tolerate listening to all the false accusations, insults & all kinds of blasphemy hurled at Jesus Christ the saviour of the world. I'm really so glad that you are patient! You fulfilled the scripture that says, "And He said to them, Go into all the world, and preach the glad tidings to all the creation". Mark 16:15
God Bless you!

((((( Jesally )))))

There is only one way for a "life time" to end. And that is to die and not have eternal life through Jesus Christ. Jesus is not "dead", he resurrected on the third day. His "lifetime" is not over, he still has abundant life.



May I ask what exactly you're speaking of? All the old testament prophecies have been fulfilled. The new testament prophecies are in the process of being fulfilled. Exactly what prophecies are you speaking of that he didn't fulfill that should have been?



There is none specifically from the old testament, that I know of. But there were prophecies made of this happening, for example -


John 2:19-21
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

It does lay in the mind of the beholder. Thus we will be judged on our faith and actions, and we have

- James 2:14-24


14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,

16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Oh but you are confused. We OBEY Jesus above all others. We place Jesus first. Jesus tells us love others as he loved us. Jesus NEVER says to "love" him more. Just he is first priority, he comes before anyone else.

He didn't come to change the laws, this much is true. But he came to fulfill the laws and prophecies. Fulfill means to complete, to finish, to end. Thus he then gave us a new set of laws under a new covenant between us and God.

Jesus wasn't teaching "judaism", he wasn't even teaching "Christianity". Jesus was teaching us the way, giving us the laws and the way to abide by them. Jesus didn't teach "religion", he taught us the laws and what he expects. Only the non-believers place it into "religion", they do this as to not have it made an absolute "fact", because they do not wish to believe and or abide by the laws given.

Jesus did many miracles. Jesus did roughly 37 documented miracles. Jesus doesn't need any proof that he is the messiah. It is not his job to convince anyone that he is. One either believes, or they don't, it is their choice.

Mark 13:30 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.

Matthew 16:28 Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.

Matthew 24:34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.

Luke 21:32 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all things take place


well i haven't seen any 2,000 year old jews yet,let me guess "it's a christian thang"

Death occurs at judgement. When one is judged and either receive the gift of eternal life or death.



We are still in that generation. We are in the generation of this world. When speaking on a level of eternity and what not, a generation isn't just parent to child. That is only a generation to us, for that is all we have while walking this Earth right now.



Same as with the Matthew verse. This is still the same generation.

Hosea 6:2

2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.


Prophecies of Jesus' words on the cross
- Psalm 22:1
22 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?

Hosea 6:2

2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight
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uh Hosea was a prophet and he was referring to a group of people notice the word "us"