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What are you talking about? I had no connniption fit, it is none of your business what works I have done or haven't done. These works done is for God, not for you. So again, what are you talking about? Cowboy...since you admitted that you are not a Christian and admitted that you don't follow Christianity...then it no longer matter whether you do "Works" or not...since that only applies to Christians but anyway the debate was about Christianity ...not your made up nonsense Who follows Christianity? I I would like for just one person to say that Christianity is the way to eternal life. Jesus is the path to eternal life, not specifically Christianity. That is where one would make the mistake of following Christianity before they followed Jesus. Cowboy Satan's 'minions' can indeed speak the name Jesus Christ... the mind of such are confused so they believe a lie. But no matter... You state over and again that Jesus is the path to eternal life... I submit to you that Christ is that path... Jesus is but the Lamb of God. It was Christ that has risen. The Blood of the Lamb is not within the Chalice of Supper for it has been consumed that Christ rise as was the Word (in the flesh). Leave be the path of Jesus lest you also become the Lamb... Follow instead that Path which is unsealed by the Advent of Christ. Rise to God. That Adam might find Glory and Eve join him in heaven. Jesus is Christ. Jesus went to the Father. But you see (or perhaps not) that at this point you have returned to the Stone of Adam... You follow the sun and not the Gory. In the Morning the Sun Rises in the East so you walk to the East (it is like unto a guiding star for you). At noon you can not walk East or West for your guiding light has ceased to move. In due time the Sun you follow sets to the West and so you walk again to the point you started from. Oh wandering seeker... Take thine eyes from the Light of the Son and look into the Glory that shines upon him... There is a Guiding Star. You speak that Jesus went to the Father as the Father is in one stagnant spot... God is omnipresent, he is simotaneously everywhere. |
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We can all agree i'm a sinner Speaking for yourself of course. I'm not a sinner. we are all sinners.....we are born sinners Wrong JJ. The term "sin" is basically owned and defined by religions. I am not religious hence I am not a sinner. Only people to subscribe to those religions that recognize that term can own the idea that they are sinners. The term "sin" is meaningless to me. It is simply a label used by certain people. Just because you don't believe in that word and or it's root meaning, doesn't mean it doesn't apply. That's like saying you don't believe in "law", so therefore "law" does not apply to you. I say it does not apply to me. You do not have the authority to say it does. You are not God. I don't belong to your faith. I don't live by the rules of your religion. What YOU believe and what I believe are completely separate. YOU think the term "sin" applies to me because you believe that it does. That is YOUR point of view. I believe it does not apply to me because I am not "religious" and the term "sin" is owned by religion. Outside of religion it has NO MEANING. I am not a sinner. I will not own that just because you think I should. You are free to THINK and believe anything YOU want about YOU being a sinner or thinking that I am one. But do not call me a sinner to my face. I don't accept your assessment of me. |
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We can all agree i'm a sinner Speaking for yourself of course. I'm not a sinner. we are all sinners.....we are born sinners Wrong JJ. The term "sin" is basically owned and defined by religions. I am not religious hence I am not a sinner. Only people to subscribe to those religions that recognize that term can own the idea that they are sinners. The term "sin" is meaningless to me. It is simply a label used by certain people. Just because you don't believe in that word and or it's root meaning, doesn't mean it doesn't apply. That's like saying you don't believe in "law", so therefore "law" does not apply to you. I say it does not apply to me. You do not have the authority to say it does. You are not God. I don't belong to your faith. I don't live by the rules of your religion. What YOU believe and what I believe are completely separate. YOU think the term "sin" applies to me because you believe that it does. That is YOUR point of view. I believe it does not apply to me because I am not "religious" and the term "sin" is owned by religion. Outside of religion it has NO MEANING. I am not a sinner. I will not own that just because you think I should. You are free to THINK and believe anything YOU want about YOU being a sinner or thinking that I am one. But do not call me a sinner to my face. I don't accept your assessment of me. My apologies... didn't know it was going to be taken so personally, as again this is a religion forum, religious things are being discussed here on a general aspect as your name was not included and it was not a personal email directly to you. |
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We can all agree i'm a sinner Speaking for yourself of course. I'm not a sinner. we are all sinners.....we are born sinners Wrong JJ. The term "sin" is basically owned and defined by religions. I am not religious hence I am not a sinner. Only people to subscribe to those religions that recognize that term can own the idea that they are sinners. The term "sin" is meaningless to me. It is simply a label used by certain people. Just because you don't believe in that word and or it's root meaning, doesn't mean it doesn't apply. That's like saying you don't believe in "law", so therefore "law" does not apply to you. I say it does not apply to me. You do not have the authority to say it does. You are not God. I don't belong to your faith. I don't live by the rules of your religion. What YOU believe and what I believe are completely separate. YOU think the term "sin" applies to me because you believe that it does. That is YOUR point of view. I believe it does not apply to me because I am not "religious" and the term "sin" is owned by religion. Outside of religion it has NO MEANING. I am not a sinner. I will not own that just because you think I should. You are free to THINK and believe anything YOU want about YOU being a sinner or thinking that I am one. But do not call me a sinner to my face. I don't accept your assessment of me. My apologies... didn't know it was going to be taken so personally, as again this is a religion forum, religious things are being discussed here on a general aspect as your name was not included and it was not a personal email directly to you. When a Christian (who believes everyone is a sinner and believes in sin) states that "everyone is a sinner" or that I am a sinner or you are a sinner, then I have to disagree. Instead, you should say that "according to my beliefs, (or Christian beliefs that I have been taught) we are all "sinners." I am simply pointing out a different way of looking at it. You responded as if to correct me and what I believe as if what you believe is correct and what I believe is not. Yes, I tend to take that personal. |
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What are you talking about? I had no connniption fit, it is none of your business what works I have done or haven't done. These works done is for God, not for you. So again, what are you talking about? Cowboy...since you admitted that you are not a Christian and admitted that you don't follow Christianity...then it no longer matter whether you do "Works" or not...since that only applies to Christians but anyway the debate was about Christianity ...not your made up nonsense Who follows Christianity? I I would like for just one person to say that Christianity is the way to eternal life. Jesus is the path to eternal life, not specifically Christianity. That is where one would make the mistake of following Christianity before they followed Jesus. Cowboy Satan's 'minions' can indeed speak the name Jesus Christ... the mind of such are confused so they believe a lie. But no matter... You state over and again that Jesus is the path to eternal life... I submit to you that Christ is that path... Jesus is but the Lamb of God. It was Christ that has risen. The Blood of the Lamb is not within the Chalice of Supper for it has been consumed that Christ rise as was the Word (in the flesh). Leave be the path of Jesus lest you also become the Lamb... Follow instead that Path which is unsealed by the Advent of Christ. Rise to God. That Adam might find Glory and Eve join him in heaven. Jesus is Christ. Jesus went to the Father. But you see (or perhaps not) that at this point you have returned to the Stone of Adam... You follow the sun and not the Gory. In the Morning the Sun Rises in the East so you walk to the East (it is like unto a guiding star for you). At noon you can not walk East or West for your guiding light has ceased to move. In due time the Sun you follow sets to the West and so you walk again to the point you started from. Oh wandering seeker... Take thine eyes from the Light of the Son and look into the Glory that shines upon him... There is a Guiding Star. You speak that Jesus went to the Father as the Father is in one stagnant spot... God is omnipresent, he is simotaneously everywhere. The purpose of the Lamb of God... to fulfill prophesy so that the Annointed One might Rise in the Flesh. Christ. Rise with him and leave to the Last Supper those that have not consumed the truth. For in truth as long as you cling to the feet of Jesus, Christ can not rise up in you. You hold Jesus to the cross and so God does indeed stand still for you. The cross is empty. Christ has Risen. |
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Because my religious belief is in lines with Christianity eg., Jesus Christ is my lord and savior. But "Christianity" itself is just a belief. Anyone and everyone can click "Christianity". What I discuss in here are things I have personally experienced, I personally know, my personal relationship with God. Not just because of some belief out of some scriptures. Cowboy..you're simply a Christian that's ashame of being a Christian I guess our chats about Christians and Zombieism having to eat of the flesh and drink of the blood seem to have pushed you over the edge and made you turn in your Christian I.D. card |
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We can all agree i'm a sinner Speaking for yourself of course. I'm not a sinner. we are all sinners.....we are born sinners Wrong JJ. The term "sin" is basically owned and defined by religions. I am not religious hence I am not a sinner. Only people to subscribe to those religions that recognize that term can own the idea that they are sinners. The term "sin" is meaningless to me. It is simply a label used by certain people. Just because you don't believe in that word and or it's root meaning, doesn't mean it doesn't apply. That's like saying you don't believe in "law", so therefore "law" does not apply to you. I say it does not apply to me. You do not have the authority to say it does. You are not God. I don't belong to your faith. I don't live by the rules of your religion. What YOU believe and what I believe are completely separate. YOU think the term "sin" applies to me because you believe that it does. That is YOUR point of view. I believe it does not apply to me because I am not "religious" and the term "sin" is owned by religion. Outside of religion it has NO MEANING. I am not a sinner. I will not own that just because you think I should. You are free to THINK and believe anything YOU want about YOU being a sinner or thinking that I am one. But do not call me a sinner to my face. I don't accept your assessment of me. My apologies... didn't know it was going to be taken so personally, as again this is a religion forum, religious things are being discussed here on a general aspect as your name was not included and it was not a personal email directly to you. When a Christian (who believes everyone is a sinner and believes in sin) states that "everyone is a sinner" or that I am a sinner or you are a sinner, then I have to disagree. Instead, you should say that "according to my beliefs, (or Christian beliefs that I have been taught) we are all "sinners." I am simply pointing out a different way of looking at it. You responded as if to correct me and what I believe as if what you believe is correct and what I believe is not. Yes, I tend to take that personal. Instead, you should say that "according to my beliefs, (or Christian beliefs that I have been taught) we are all "sinners." This is a "General Religion Chat" forum. Everything posted in here is an "according to my beliefs", it doesn't need to be specifically posted that way just because again everything said in this forum is automatically an "according to my beliefs". |
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What are you talking about? I had no connniption fit, it is none of your business what works I have done or haven't done. These works done is for God, not for you. So again, what are you talking about? Cowboy...since you admitted that you are not a Christian and admitted that you don't follow Christianity...then it no longer matter whether you do "Works" or not...since that only applies to Christians but anyway the debate was about Christianity ...not your made up nonsense Who follows Christianity? I I would like for just one person to say that Christianity is the way to eternal life. Jesus is the path to eternal life, not specifically Christianity. That is where one would make the mistake of following Christianity before they followed Jesus. Cowboy Satan's 'minions' can indeed speak the name Jesus Christ... the mind of such are confused so they believe a lie. But no matter... You state over and again that Jesus is the path to eternal life... I submit to you that Christ is that path... Jesus is but the Lamb of God. It was Christ that has risen. The Blood of the Lamb is not within the Chalice of Supper for it has been consumed that Christ rise as was the Word (in the flesh). Leave be the path of Jesus lest you also become the Lamb... Follow instead that Path which is unsealed by the Advent of Christ. Rise to God. That Adam might find Glory and Eve join him in heaven. Jesus is Christ. Jesus went to the Father. But you see (or perhaps not) that at this point you have returned to the Stone of Adam... You follow the sun and not the Gory. In the Morning the Sun Rises in the East so you walk to the East (it is like unto a guiding star for you). At noon you can not walk East or West for your guiding light has ceased to move. In due time the Sun you follow sets to the West and so you walk again to the point you started from. Oh wandering seeker... Take thine eyes from the Light of the Son and look into the Glory that shines upon him... There is a Guiding Star. You speak that Jesus went to the Father as the Father is in one stagnant spot... God is omnipresent, he is simotaneously everywhere. The purpose of the Lamb of God... to fulfill prophesy so that the Annointed One might Rise in the Flesh. Christ. Rise with him and leave to the Last Supper those that have not consumed the truth. For in truth as long as you cling to the feet of Jesus, Christ can not rise up in you. You hold Jesus to the cross and so God does indeed stand still for you. The cross is empty. Christ has Risen. Yes Jesus has risen, I completely agree. I cling not to Jesus on the cross, I cling to Jesus Christ that walks beside me. |
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Because my religious belief is in lines with Christianity eg., Jesus Christ is my lord and savior. But "Christianity" itself is just a belief. Anyone and everyone can click "Christianity". What I discuss in here are things I have personally experienced, I personally know, my personal relationship with God. Not just because of some belief out of some scriptures. Cowboy..you're simply a Christian that's ashame of being a Christian I guess our chats about Christians and Zombieism having to eat of the flesh and drink of the blood seem to have pushed you over the edge and made you turn in your Christian I.D. card No, I'm ashamed of nothing. I'll tell you straight up I believe in Jesus Christ my Lord and savior... You can take that as you wish, you can call me a Christian if you wish, or any other title if you wish. I cling to no title, there is no need. Titles will get nothing and produce nothing, so they are pointless. |
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Edited by
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No, I'm ashamed of nothing. I'll tell you straight up I believe in Jesus Christ my Lord and savior... in case no one told you Christians are required to believe that Jesus is their Lord and Savior...do Muslims believe that?...do Jews believe that?... which is why I stated..that you were a Christian that was ashame of being a Christian ...... if your religious beliefs are not of a denomination religion/philosophy......then you're in a Cult that claim Jesus as their Lord and Savior |
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Edited by
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We can all agree i'm a sinner Speaking for yourself of course. I'm not a sinner. we are all sinners.....we are born sinners Wrong JJ. The term "sin" is basically owned and defined by religions. I am not religious hence I am not a sinner. Only people to subscribe to those religions that recognize that term can own the idea that they are sinners. The term "sin" is meaningless to me. It is simply a label used by certain people. Just because you don't believe in that word and or it's root meaning, doesn't mean it doesn't apply. That's like saying you don't believe in "law", so therefore "law" does not apply to you. I say it does not apply to me. You do not have the authority to say it does. You are not God. I don't belong to your faith. I don't live by the rules of your religion. What YOU believe and what I believe are completely separate. YOU think the term "sin" applies to me because you believe that it does. That is YOUR point of view. I believe it does not apply to me because I am not "religious" and the term "sin" is owned by religion. Outside of religion it has NO MEANING. I am not a sinner. I will not own that just because you think I should. You are free to THINK and believe anything YOU want about YOU being a sinner or thinking that I am one. But do not call me a sinner to my face. I don't accept your assessment of me. My apologies... didn't know it was going to be taken so personally, as again this is a religion forum, religious things are being discussed here on a general aspect as your name was not included and it was not a personal email directly to you. When a Christian (who believes everyone is a sinner and believes in sin) states that "everyone is a sinner" or that I am a sinner or you are a sinner, then I have to disagree. Instead, you should say that "according to my beliefs, (or Christian beliefs that I have been taught) we are all "sinners." I am simply pointing out a different way of looking at it. You responded as if to correct me and what I believe as if what you believe is correct and what I believe is not. Yes, I tend to take that personal. Instead, you should say that "according to my beliefs, (or Christian beliefs that I have been taught) we are all "sinners." This is a "General Religion Chat" forum. Everything posted in here is an "according to my beliefs", it doesn't need to be specifically posted that way just because again everything said in this forum is automatically an "according to my beliefs". That is NOT how you state it. It is not always "understood." You state everything as if it is fact and as if you are correcting someone or teaching or preaching to someone. You always do this. I know the difference because I have done both. |
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Edited by
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Here is an example:
Alien scientists created man with advanced genetics. There is no God. Mankind mistook aliens for Gods. They called them Elohim. <---(stated as if I know this for a fact.) I believe it is possible that alien scientists created man using advanced genetics. Elohim is a plural word, meaning "those who came from above." This could be describing an alien race. <-----(a belief that can't be proven.) |
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Here is an example: Alien scientists created man with advanced genetics. There is no God. Mankind mistook aliens for Gods. They called them Elohim. <---(stated as if I know this for a fact.) I believe it is possible that alien scientists created man using advanced genetics. Elohim is a plural word, meaning "those who came from above." This could be describing an alien race. <-----(a belief that can't be proven.) Both are beliefs regardless of how they are stated. Of course in a discussion about "beliefs" one will state it as fact, for it is fact to that person. |
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We can all agree i'm a sinner Speaking for yourself of course. I'm not a sinner. we are all sinners.....we are born sinners Wrong JJ. The term "sin" is basically owned and defined by religions. I am not religious hence I am not a sinner. Only people to subscribe to those religions that recognize that term can own the idea that they are sinners. The term "sin" is meaningless to me. It is simply a label used by certain people. Just because you don't believe in that word and or it's root meaning, doesn't mean it doesn't apply. That's like saying you don't believe in "law", so therefore "law" does not apply to you. I say it does not apply to me. You do not have the authority to say it does. You are not God. I don't belong to your faith. I don't live by the rules of your religion. What YOU believe and what I believe are completely separate. YOU think the term "sin" applies to me because you believe that it does. That is YOUR point of view. I believe it does not apply to me because I am not "religious" and the term "sin" is owned by religion. Outside of religion it has NO MEANING. I am not a sinner. I will not own that just because you think I should. You are free to THINK and believe anything YOU want about YOU being a sinner or thinking that I am one. But do not call me a sinner to my face. I don't accept your assessment of me. My apologies... didn't know it was going to be taken so personally, as again this is a religion forum, religious things are being discussed here on a general aspect as your name was not included and it was not a personal email directly to you. When a Christian (who believes everyone is a sinner and believes in sin) states that "everyone is a sinner" or that I am a sinner or you are a sinner, then I have to disagree. Instead, you should say that "according to my beliefs, (or Christian beliefs that I have been taught) we are all "sinners." I am simply pointing out a different way of looking at it. You responded as if to correct me and what I believe as if what you believe is correct and what I believe is not. Yes, I tend to take that personal. Instead, you should say that "according to my beliefs, (or Christian beliefs that I have been taught) we are all "sinners." This is a "General Religion Chat" forum. Everything posted in here is an "according to my beliefs", it doesn't need to be specifically posted that way just because again everything said in this forum is automatically an "according to my beliefs". That is NOT how you state it. It is not always "understood." You state everything as if it is fact and as if you are correcting someone or teaching or preaching to someone. You always do this. I know the difference because I have done both. It is always "understood" in this particular forum, this is a RELIGION chat forum. People come here to discuss things they BELIEVE in. Again, EVERYTHING discussed in this forum is on an "I believe" level. |
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Here is an example: Alien scientists created man with advanced genetics. There is no God. Mankind mistook aliens for Gods. They called them Elohim. <---(stated as if I know this for a fact.) I believe it is possible that alien scientists created man using advanced genetics. Elohim is a plural word, meaning "those who came from above." This could be describing an alien race. <-----(a belief that can't be proven.) Both are beliefs regardless of how they are stated. Of course in a discussion about "beliefs" one will state it as fact, for it is fact to that person. Only facts are facts. A person may "believe" something is a fact, but that does not make it a fact. If one states their belief as a fact (and it is not a fact) he will only end up looking like a fool. But it is okay to state your beliefs with confidence, even if you can't prove them. But you should not attempt to correct someone who has a different belief as if you are right and they are wrong unless you have enough proof to back you up. |
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We can all agree i'm a sinner Speaking for yourself of course. I'm not a sinner. we are all sinners.....we are born sinners Wrong JJ. The term "sin" is basically owned and defined by religions. I am not religious hence I am not a sinner. Only people to subscribe to those religions that recognize that term can own the idea that they are sinners. The term "sin" is meaningless to me. It is simply a label used by certain people. Just because you don't believe in that word and or it's root meaning, doesn't mean it doesn't apply. That's like saying you don't believe in "law", so therefore "law" does not apply to you. I say it does not apply to me. You do not have the authority to say it does. You are not God. I don't belong to your faith. I don't live by the rules of your religion. What YOU believe and what I believe are completely separate. YOU think the term "sin" applies to me because you believe that it does. That is YOUR point of view. I believe it does not apply to me because I am not "religious" and the term "sin" is owned by religion. Outside of religion it has NO MEANING. I am not a sinner. I will not own that just because you think I should. You are free to THINK and believe anything YOU want about YOU being a sinner or thinking that I am one. But do not call me a sinner to my face. I don't accept your assessment of me. My apologies... didn't know it was going to be taken so personally, as again this is a religion forum, religious things are being discussed here on a general aspect as your name was not included and it was not a personal email directly to you. When a Christian (who believes everyone is a sinner and believes in sin) states that "everyone is a sinner" or that I am a sinner or you are a sinner, then I have to disagree. Instead, you should say that "according to my beliefs, (or Christian beliefs that I have been taught) we are all "sinners." I am simply pointing out a different way of looking at it. You responded as if to correct me and what I believe as if what you believe is correct and what I believe is not. Yes, I tend to take that personal. Instead, you should say that "according to my beliefs, (or Christian beliefs that I have been taught) we are all "sinners." This is a "General Religion Chat" forum. Everything posted in here is an "according to my beliefs", it doesn't need to be specifically posted that way just because again everything said in this forum is automatically an "according to my beliefs". That is NOT how you state it. It is not always "understood." You state everything as if it is fact and as if you are correcting someone or teaching or preaching to someone. You always do this. I know the difference because I have done both. It is always "understood" in this particular forum, this is a RELIGION chat forum. People come here to discuss things they BELIEVE in. Again, EVERYTHING discussed in this forum is on an "I believe" level. Okay if you say so. Then listen up. I hate to be the one to inform you then, that Jesus is a myth. Joshua and the battle of Jericho is a fiction. King David is a myth. Jesus is not the savior of mankind at all. And that's a fact. (Above is an example of how you "state your beliefs.") |
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Here is an example: Alien scientists created man with advanced genetics. There is no God. Mankind mistook aliens for Gods. They called them Elohim. <---(stated as if I know this for a fact.) I believe it is possible that alien scientists created man using advanced genetics. Elohim is a plural word, meaning "those who came from above." This could be describing an alien race. <-----(a belief that can't be proven.) Both are beliefs regardless of how they are stated. Of course in a discussion about "beliefs" one will state it as fact, for it is fact to that person. Only facts are facts. A person may "believe" something is a fact, but that does not make it a fact. If one states their belief as a fact (and it is not a fact) he will only end up looking like a fool. But it is okay to state your beliefs with confidence, even if you can't prove them. But you should not attempt to correct someone who has a different belief as if you are right and they are wrong unless you have enough proof to back you up. Not true. That person would only look a fool if it was PROVEN otherwise. There are many third party sources of the things in the bible and the existence of Jesus himself. And what is a fact exactly? Can you prove without a doubt 100% absolute that JFK was a president? Of course you can't, he's not around anymore and anything you display as proof could be seen as being made up. Things are only seen as fact when YOU choose for them to be a fact. |
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We can all agree i'm a sinner Speaking for yourself of course. I'm not a sinner. we are all sinners.....we are born sinners Wrong JJ. The term "sin" is basically owned and defined by religions. I am not religious hence I am not a sinner. Only people to subscribe to those religions that recognize that term can own the idea that they are sinners. The term "sin" is meaningless to me. It is simply a label used by certain people. Just because you don't believe in that word and or it's root meaning, doesn't mean it doesn't apply. That's like saying you don't believe in "law", so therefore "law" does not apply to you. I say it does not apply to me. You do not have the authority to say it does. You are not God. I don't belong to your faith. I don't live by the rules of your religion. What YOU believe and what I believe are completely separate. YOU think the term "sin" applies to me because you believe that it does. That is YOUR point of view. I believe it does not apply to me because I am not "religious" and the term "sin" is owned by religion. Outside of religion it has NO MEANING. I am not a sinner. I will not own that just because you think I should. You are free to THINK and believe anything YOU want about YOU being a sinner or thinking that I am one. But do not call me a sinner to my face. I don't accept your assessment of me. My apologies... didn't know it was going to be taken so personally, as again this is a religion forum, religious things are being discussed here on a general aspect as your name was not included and it was not a personal email directly to you. When a Christian (who believes everyone is a sinner and believes in sin) states that "everyone is a sinner" or that I am a sinner or you are a sinner, then I have to disagree. Instead, you should say that "according to my beliefs, (or Christian beliefs that I have been taught) we are all "sinners." I am simply pointing out a different way of looking at it. You responded as if to correct me and what I believe as if what you believe is correct and what I believe is not. Yes, I tend to take that personal. Instead, you should say that "according to my beliefs, (or Christian beliefs that I have been taught) we are all "sinners." This is a "General Religion Chat" forum. Everything posted in here is an "according to my beliefs", it doesn't need to be specifically posted that way just because again everything said in this forum is automatically an "according to my beliefs". That is NOT how you state it. It is not always "understood." You state everything as if it is fact and as if you are correcting someone or teaching or preaching to someone. You always do this. I know the difference because I have done both. It is always "understood" in this particular forum, this is a RELIGION chat forum. People come here to discuss things they BELIEVE in. Again, EVERYTHING discussed in this forum is on an "I believe" level. Okay if you say so. Then listen up. I hate to be the one to inform you then, that Jesus is a myth. Joshua and the battle of Jericho is a fiction. King David is a myth. Jesus is not the savior of mankind at all. And that's a fact. (Above is an example of how you "state your beliefs.") I can give you some third party sources outside of the bible of the existence of Jesus if you wish. |
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We can all agree i'm a sinner Speaking for yourself of course. I'm not a sinner. we are all sinners.....we are born sinners Wrong JJ. The term "sin" is basically owned and defined by religions. I am not religious hence I am not a sinner. Only people to subscribe to those religions that recognize that term can own the idea that they are sinners. The term "sin" is meaningless to me. It is simply a label used by certain people. Just because you don't believe in that word and or it's root meaning, doesn't mean it doesn't apply. That's like saying you don't believe in "law", so therefore "law" does not apply to you. I say it does not apply to me. You do not have the authority to say it does. You are not God. I don't belong to your faith. I don't live by the rules of your religion. What YOU believe and what I believe are completely separate. YOU think the term "sin" applies to me because you believe that it does. That is YOUR point of view. I believe it does not apply to me because I am not "religious" and the term "sin" is owned by religion. Outside of religion it has NO MEANING. I am not a sinner. I will not own that just because you think I should. You are free to THINK and believe anything YOU want about YOU being a sinner or thinking that I am one. But do not call me a sinner to my face. I don't accept your assessment of me. My apologies... didn't know it was going to be taken so personally, as again this is a religion forum, religious things are being discussed here on a general aspect as your name was not included and it was not a personal email directly to you. When a Christian (who believes everyone is a sinner and believes in sin) states that "everyone is a sinner" or that I am a sinner or you are a sinner, then I have to disagree. Instead, you should say that "according to my beliefs, (or Christian beliefs that I have been taught) we are all "sinners." I am simply pointing out a different way of looking at it. You responded as if to correct me and what I believe as if what you believe is correct and what I believe is not. Yes, I tend to take that personal. Instead, you should say that "according to my beliefs, (or Christian beliefs that I have been taught) we are all "sinners." This is a "General Religion Chat" forum. Everything posted in here is an "according to my beliefs", it doesn't need to be specifically posted that way just because again everything said in this forum is automatically an "according to my beliefs". That is NOT how you state it. It is not always "understood." You state everything as if it is fact and as if you are correcting someone or teaching or preaching to someone. You always do this. I know the difference because I have done both. It is always "understood" in this particular forum, this is a RELIGION chat forum. People come here to discuss things they BELIEVE in. Again, EVERYTHING discussed in this forum is on an "I believe" level. Okay if you say so. Then listen up. I hate to be the one to inform you then, that Jesus is a myth. Joshua and the battle of Jericho is a fiction. King David is a myth. Jesus is not the savior of mankind at all. And that's a fact. (Above is an example of how you "state your beliefs.") I can give you some third party sources outside of the bible of the existence of Jesus if you wish. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus Heck here is a wikipedia explaining what I'm referring to right here. These external sources don't necassarily support his spiritual self or anything specifically to do with "religious" beliefs. But for the actual existence of Jesus here are some external sources. |
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Here is an example: Alien scientists created man with advanced genetics. There is no God. Mankind mistook aliens for Gods. They called them Elohim. <---(stated as if I know this for a fact.) I believe it is possible that alien scientists created man using advanced genetics. Elohim is a plural word, meaning "those who came from above." This could be describing an alien race. <-----(a belief that can't be proven.) also according to some beliefs the Elohim are comprised of humans that have ascended to the next level .... those either through remembrance or by accident retained the ability to consciously control their subconscious and therefore could alter manipulate and /or cancel out reality ...they become Gods with that much power if you are not going to ascend the human race to your level , then what would be the point of associating yourself further with the human race ....unless it is to do them harm ... |
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