Topic: Congressmen Jones Starts Impeachment Process on Hussein Obam
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Sat 03/10/12 11:44 AM
Here is a little about Jone's moral character and sense of civic duty to the people.

GOP Rep. Walter Jones: Bring troops home instead of cutting school lunch programs

Republican Congressman Walter Jones of North Carolina said Tuesday that all U.S. military forces should be pulled out of Afghanistan now that Osama bin Laden is dead.

“Why this Congress continues to complain about budgets and cuts and deficits and debts — and our young men and women are walking the roads of Afghanistan getting their legs blown off and getting killed — we still sit here in Congress and don’t bring it up as an issue,” he said on the House floor.

Jones added that Afghan President Hamid Karzai was a “corrupt leader,” and that the U.S. was spending billions of dollars every month in the country, yet Congress was eying cuts to school lunch programs for American children and cuts to benefits for American senior citizens.

“More important than the money,” he added, “is the pain of war, and this Congress needs to come together and say to Obama, ‘lets bring em home, this year, next year, not in 2014.’”

rawstory.com/rs/2011/10/05/gop-rep-walter-jones-bring-troops-home-instead-of-cutting-school-lunch-programs/

msharmony's photo
Sat 03/10/12 12:03 PM
I believe he probably is a 'good' man

Im from the Anne Frank school of belief that MOST people actually are 'good'

but even good people can be dead wrong,,,,,and even good people can be mistaken, and even good people dont know everything about everything and even less about many things

Sin_and_Sorrow's photo
Sat 03/10/12 12:03 PM

I believe he probably is a 'good' man

Im from the Anne Frank school of belief that MOST people actually are 'good'

but even good people can be dead wrong,,,,,and even good people can be mistaken, and even good people dont know everything about everything and even less about many things


..but not Obama.

Just Jones?

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Sat 03/10/12 12:05 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 03/10/12 12:06 PM


I believe he probably is a 'good' man

Im from the Anne Frank school of belief that MOST people actually are 'good'

but even good people can be dead wrong,,,,,and even good people can be mistaken, and even good people dont know everything about everything and even less about many things


..but not Obama.

Just Jones?



OBama can be wrong too, I think he was wrong about repealing DODT and not supporting DOMA, and several other things

but on this action , which has presidential precedence that did NOT result in impeachment

I think Obama is right,,,

but it will be up to the (majority democratic) senate to actually convict him of anything....


so, as usual, ,,,time will tell which opinions hold out,,,,

Seakolony's photo
Sat 03/10/12 12:07 PM



I believe he probably is a 'good' man

Im from the Anne Frank school of belief that MOST people actually are 'good'

but even good people can be dead wrong,,,,,and even good people can be mistaken, and even good people dont know everything about everything and even less about many things


..but not Obama.

Just Jones?



OBama can be wrong too, I think he was wrong about repealing DODT and not supporting DOMA, and several other things

but on this action , which has presidential precedence that did NOT result in impeachment

I think Obama is right,,,


What Presidential precedence?

msharmony's photo
Sat 03/10/12 12:19 PM
Ronald Raegan,,, el dorado canyon

Seakolony's photo
Sat 03/10/12 12:32 PM

Ronald Raegan,,, el dorado canyon

Nothing in the Library of Congress as it not being granted permission by Congress.....

msharmony's photo
Sat 03/10/12 12:55 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 03/10/12 01:00 PM


Ronald Raegan,,, el dorado canyon

Nothing in the Library of Congress as it not being granted permission by Congress.....



no permission and an 'urging' to do better in the future,, but no impeachment


http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d099:HC00365:@@@D&summ2=m&

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Sat 03/10/12 04:58 PM



Ronald Raegan,,, el dorado canyon

Nothing in the Library of Congress as it not being granted permission by Congress.....



no permission and an 'urging' to do better in the future,, but no impeachment


http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d099:HC00365:@@@D&summ2=m&


Am not seeing anything stating that reagan blatantly disregarded the 1973 Act, or that it went beyond 60 to 90 days.....There is a summary stating it was referred to the house to be investigated but not much in the way of any information of the occurances of that inquiry..........

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Sat 03/10/12 06:19 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 03/10/12 06:24 PM
Expresses the sense of the Congress that the President did not comply with the War Powers Act when he ordered the April 14, 1986, attack on Libya. Urges the President to comply with such Act in the future.


war powers act is not about 'blatant disregard'

it is about consulting with congress before ordering military action

which Reagan did not do when HE ordered air strikes over Libya either,,,

he met with 'members' of congress,, as did OBama

but he never got 'congressional approval' in the formal sense of the ambiguous term

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Sat 03/10/12 06:28 PM



problem is, no war was declared, and article four doesnt DEFINE what a high crime or misdemeanor is,,,,,


Article 4 doesn't..

But Congress has.

And to sum it up, the best way possible.

Rewind. 1970. A then Congressman, Gerald Ford said:

"..an impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history."

This comment was in regards to the "unconfirmed" analysis of what constituted a "high crime and misdemeanor".

Somewhat relevant to his case. Andrew Johnson's impeachment.

Further note.

During Nixon's impeachment, let it be known that they did NOT cite him for tax evasion. Why? Because as they put it..

"This committee does not believe that is an impeachable offense."


well, I guess they will stop at nothing'

its still just as futile as the attempt to 'prove' he isnt american born or christian

I doubt most americans will support it, and Im twice as doubtful the Senate would get a two third majority needed to 'convict'

I also doubt whatever 'offense' they come up with would have a legal precedent as a high crime when committed by any other president in history


,,,,but whatever floats their desperate little boats,,


for there to be so much HATRED of this President that they go to such EXTREMES,,,,history continues to be written and its amazing to be a part of it

OBAMA 2012!


Oh I think a lot of people would see him impeached and I doubt he has much chance in 2012

for that reason I think the impeachment is a waste - he'll be gone in Nov anyway

the economy, gas prices, jobless and UNDERemployment rates, and questions about his naturalization all will hurt him - not to mention the bail outs and mandatory health insurance which is tyranny - this is the short list Harmony

sorry luv ya & I know how much u like Mr Obama

but I will agree, that as military commander & chief and President he deserves to be discussed with respect. And as military commander in chief (where I NEVER would have put him - no experience) his decisions are just that - he's allowed. that is wht it is so important to have someone in the office who can make those decisions

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Sat 03/10/12 06:41 PM




problem is, no war was declared, and article four doesnt DEFINE what a high crime or misdemeanor is,,,,,


Article 4 doesn't..

But Congress has.

And to sum it up, the best way possible.

Rewind. 1970. A then Congressman, Gerald Ford said:

"..an impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history."

This comment was in regards to the "unconfirmed" analysis of what constituted a "high crime and misdemeanor".

Somewhat relevant to his case. Andrew Johnson's impeachment.

Further note.

During Nixon's impeachment, let it be known that they did NOT cite him for tax evasion. Why? Because as they put it..

"This committee does not believe that is an impeachable offense."


well, I guess they will stop at nothing'

its still just as futile as the attempt to 'prove' he isnt american born or christian

I doubt most americans will support it, and Im twice as doubtful the Senate would get a two third majority needed to 'convict'

I also doubt whatever 'offense' they come up with would have a legal precedent as a high crime when committed by any other president in history


,,,,but whatever floats their desperate little boats,,


for there to be so much HATRED of this President that they go to such EXTREMES,,,,history continues to be written and its amazing to be a part of it

OBAMA 2012!


Oh I think a lot of people would see him impeached and I doubt he has much chance in 2012

for that reason I think the impeachment is a waste - he'll be gone in Nov anyway

the economy, gas prices, jobless and UNDERemployment rates, and questions about his naturalization all will hurt him - not to mention the bail outs and mandatory health insurance which is tyranny - this is the short list Harmony

sorry luv ya & I know how much u like Mr Obama

but I will agree, that as military commander & chief and President he deserves to be discussed with respect. And as military commander in chief (where I NEVER would have put him - no experience) his decisions are just that - he's allowed. that is wht it is so important to have someone in the office who can make those decisions



or someone smart enough to surround themself with those who have the experience to aide him in those decisions

luv you too, and think your short list is mostly propoganda
the naturalization issue is a non issue that isnt and will never be proven without also implying a whole state GOVERNMENT is in a conspiracy

gas prices, that a president has not as much to do with as GLOBAL oil trends do

the 'bailouts' can and have been argued to have stopped things from getting WORSE than they were at the beginning of 2009

the mandatory health insurance will continue to be debated by some as tyrannical and by others as within government authority to control inter state commerce, just as all other western governments do


jobs are picking back up as are employment rates, the economy will follow,,, not as QUICKLY as some were expecting or demanding, but it will happen just the same in part (in my opinion) because of actions taken under this administration


that and the continued polls which show OBAMA pummelling all other republican candidates

,, and I think not everyone is as sure that he will not get reelected

hence, the desperate measures to 'impeach'

,,,

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Sat 03/10/12 06:56 PM





problem is, no war was declared, and article four doesnt DEFINE what a high crime or misdemeanor is,,,,,


Article 4 doesn't..

But Congress has.

And to sum it up, the best way possible.

Rewind. 1970. A then Congressman, Gerald Ford said:

"..an impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history."

This comment was in regards to the "unconfirmed" analysis of what constituted a "high crime and misdemeanor".

Somewhat relevant to his case. Andrew Johnson's impeachment.

Further note.

During Nixon's impeachment, let it be known that they did NOT cite him for tax evasion. Why? Because as they put it..

"This committee does not believe that is an impeachable offense."


well, I guess they will stop at nothing'

its still just as futile as the attempt to 'prove' he isnt american born or christian

I doubt most americans will support it, and Im twice as doubtful the Senate would get a two third majority needed to 'convict'

I also doubt whatever 'offense' they come up with would have a legal precedent as a high crime when committed by any other president in history


,,,,but whatever floats their desperate little boats,,


for there to be so much HATRED of this President that they go to such EXTREMES,,,,history continues to be written and its amazing to be a part of it

OBAMA 2012!


Oh I think a lot of people would see him impeached and I doubt he has much chance in 2012

for that reason I think the impeachment is a waste - he'll be gone in Nov anyway

the economy, gas prices, jobless and UNDERemployment rates, and questions about his naturalization all will hurt him - not to mention the bail outs and mandatory health insurance which is tyranny - this is the short list Harmony

sorry luv ya & I know how much u like Mr Obama

but I will agree, that as military commander & chief and President he deserves to be discussed with respect. And as military commander in chief (where I NEVER would have put him - no experience) his decisions are just that - he's allowed. that is wht it is so important to have someone in the office who can make those decisions



or someone smart enough to surround themself with those who have the experience to aide him in those decisions

luv you too, and think your short list is mostly propoganda
the naturalization issue is a non issue that isnt and will never be proven without also implying a whole state GOVERNMENT is in a conspiracy

gas prices, that a president has not as much to do with as GLOBAL oil trends do

the 'bailouts' can and have been argued to have stopped things from getting WORSE than they were at the beginning of 2009

the mandatory health insurance will continue to be debated by some as tyrannical and by others as within government authority to control inter state commerce, just as all other western governments do


jobs are picking back up as are employment rates, the economy will follow,,, not as QUICKLY as some were expecting or demanding, but it will happen just the same in part (in my opinion) because of actions taken under this administration


that and the continued polls which show OBAMA pummelling all other republican candidates

,, and I think not everyone is as sure that he will not get reelected

hence, the desperate measures to 'impeach'

,,,


it is possible some is propaganda -like gas prices - maybe not entirely under his control but people will look to him to control that and expect him to - I know I do - but I think there is cause for concern otherwise

there are larger issues

having competent advisors is wise - it is preferable to have the advisors AND the expereince so it is best possible to evaluate the advice received. blaming ones advisors is not good presidential behavior (not saying he has done that - just speaking in general terms)

IDK current employment stats but I do think that low wage positions make up a good percentage of job growth and under employment is still an issue, however,

if the manufacturing sector begins to build domestically again (prolly from fear of overseas terrorist attacks) - that will help him

but I think a lot of people have already made up their minds

if it weren't for the mandatory HC, I would not care who won, but because of that alone I cannot support him

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Sat 03/10/12 06:58 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 03/10/12 06:59 PM
respected

I would not want to see any of the other current candidates represent America to the world and I see the Healthcare reform as a historical and progressive achievement

so I cant possibly NOT support him



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Sat 03/10/12 07:12 PM
Edited by Sin_and_Sorrow on Sat 03/10/12 07:13 PM

respected

I would not want to see any of the other current candidates represent America to the world and I see the Healthcare reform as a historical and progressive achievement

so I cant possibly NOT support him





Reasons I cannot support Obama:

1. Unemployment may be dropping, but in my area, such is only due to people being unable to collect anymore; thus still "unemployed" but now I guess they just consider them "jobless".

2. Congress doesn't like him. The reasons for this, I honestly could careless; however, Congress sucks so as it is, but if there's a president they can at least "stand" in the same room; some "progress" can at least be hoped to be achieved.

3. Jobs that opened in this area since this so-called "raise in employment". Half of them are government related, a quarter of them are in construction hardcore manual labor which, people with a bad knee (me) can't even attempt. The other quarter? Good luck getting your foot in the door without a 2-4 year education and a hella good resume to back it up. Hard to get experience when no one gives you a chance.

4. Minimum Wage goes up - our good jobs go overseas. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't his fault. But it literally benefits big businesses to pay the Chinese, etc, to do what we can do for a heck of a lot cheaper. It's sad when you do all your business here and have a 75% more chance of going bankrupt. *shakes head*

5. WTF are his main focuses right now? Every time I see him, something about "war" or such related keeps popping out of his mouth. As if that's our biggest concern.

Now..

Why I won't vote for Mitt, or wtf ever other douche gets nominated:

1. They are all hypocritical flat out lying douche nuggets.

2. I'd rather re-elect Bush for a third term then any of these guys that actually stand a chance to win it.

3. Every time I see them talking, I can literally see their Pinocchio nose growing inch by inch with each word.

4. Spending millions just to degrade the other guys "reputation" with false propaganda is getting REALLY old.

That's MO.

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Sat 03/10/12 07:36 PM
Edited by sweetestgirl11 on Sat 03/10/12 07:37 PM

respected

I would not want to see any of the other current candidates represent America to the world and I see the Healthcare reform as a historical and progressive achievement

so I cant possibly NOT support him





if participation was a choice and there were tiers to control cost to the worker I'd be with you on that - those of us who busted our azzes in school so we could get a half decent job are already doing enough to support the gov't financially NO MORE

[edit: already doing MORE than enough]

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Sat 03/10/12 08:00 PM
Every politician out there needs a thorough background check.

When they are speaking publicly, they should be hooked up to lie detector machines and/or one of these >>

RKISIT's photo
Sat 03/10/12 08:04 PM
I think Obama is in a JFK situation,many people in congress and around JFK wanted to go to war with Cuba,but he held back and eventually Russia removed it's missles from Cuba.JFK tried to assassinate Castro it failed,though he did resolve the Cuban missle crisis diplomatcally.
See Obama is assassinating threats and not invading a country cause he is trying to resolve the Iran issue diplomatically,but everyone around him and in congress,plus Israel are licking their chops to invade Iran.All i can say is "Obama do not ride in a convertible in Dallas with the top down."

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Sat 03/10/12 08:12 PM

I think Obama is in a JFK situation,many people in congress and around JFK wanted to go to war with Cuba,but he held back and eventually Russia removed it's missles from Cuba.JFK tried to assassinate Castro it failed,though he did resolve the Cuban missle crisis diplomatcally.
See Obama is assassinating threats and not invading a country cause he is trying to resolve the Iran issue diplomatically,but everyone around him and in congress,plus Israel are licking their chops to invade Iran.All i can say is "Obama do not ride in a convertible in Dallas with the top down."



that would be a fair warning from the DAY he was elected, when he became one of the presidents with the MOST assassination threats in the history of presidents,,,,,,


things change, but things remain the same,,,

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Sat 03/10/12 08:18 PM


respected

I would not want to see any of the other current candidates represent America to the world and I see the Healthcare reform as a historical and progressive achievement

so I cant possibly NOT support him





Reasons I cannot support Obama:

1. Unemployment may be dropping, but in my area, such is only due to people being unable to collect anymore; thus still "unemployed" but now I guess they just consider them "jobless".

2. Congress doesn't like him. The reasons for this, I honestly could careless; however, Congress sucks so as it is, but if there's a president they can at least "stand" in the same room; some "progress" can at least be hoped to be achieved.

3. Jobs that opened in this area since this so-called "raise in employment". Half of them are government related, a quarter of them are in construction hardcore manual labor which, people with a bad knee (me) can't even attempt. The other quarter? Good luck getting your foot in the door without a 2-4 year education and a hella good resume to back it up. Hard to get experience when no one gives you a chance.

4. Minimum Wage goes up - our good jobs go overseas. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't his fault. But it literally benefits big businesses to pay the Chinese, etc, to do what we can do for a heck of a lot cheaper. It's sad when you do all your business here and have a 75% more chance of going bankrupt. *shakes head*

5. WTF are his main focuses right now? Every time I see him, something about "war" or such related keeps popping out of his mouth. As if that's our biggest concern.

Now..

Why I won't vote for Mitt, or wtf ever other douche gets nominated:

1. They are all hypocritical flat out lying douche nuggets.

2. I'd rather re-elect Bush for a third term then any of these guys that actually stand a chance to win it.

3. Every time I see them talking, I can literally see their Pinocchio nose growing inch by inch with each word.

4. Spending millions just to degrade the other guys "reputation" with false propaganda is getting REALLY old.

That's MO.


so get a degree Sin - that simple

or graduate HS if u have not done that yet

I will help u if u need help - all ya gotta do is ask