Im not complacent at all, Im just not one to see doom in every potential loophole that exists in a law.

IF the law said it was going to start randomly searching americans for potential connections, I could get upset

as it stands, it isnt a debate about what it actually says, but what it doesnt say,,not a debate which is worth the aggravation in my opinion,,,

I would like to see more of an attempt to foil the rampant fraud that occurs with the internet,,,

And Im one who does understand and sympathize with the many who have their work plagiarized, stolen, and infringed upon because of the easy access and anonymity of the internet

they dont need a grand jury to arrest

and for those who dont have the bail, they will sit in jail DURING the trial even though they have not been yet 'proven' guilty,,

and they USUALLY wont be censored unless there is SUFFICIENT evidence against them,,

Oh, the audacity!

THERE WILL BE NO MORE NON-SHARING. WEBSITES TURNED BLACK ON ACCOUNT
OF POLITICAL ACTIVISM OR PROTESTING LEGISLATION WILL NOT BE TOLERATED!

Well I'm glad to know that you have read and studied the bill and seem to know everything that they might do with their new powers to censor anything they don't like or anything they get a complaint about.

It seems like you are right there in the room with the people writing the bill and discussing it since you know so much about it.

You seem to know an awful lot for someone who "doesn't care."

the offensive censorship aside, the major problem is not the protection of rights the bill would potentially provide, but what would happen to the affiliate sites. the bill states that it would empower the government to shut don any site that is linked to a site that is suspected of advocating piracy. Google, yahoo, youtube, and wikipedia are the sites that 99.9 percent of internet users in the U.S. use to access other sites, including mingle. due to the fact that google is linked to nearly every site you can use to "infringe upon intellectual property", it would be shut down, and all the words anyone says here wont mean squat, because without these sites almost nobody will ever find this site. we need to protect these resources , which are not only used to break the law, but also to stay connected with friends and loved ones, get answers to questions they may have, meet new people, find jobs, learn new things intentionally or not, or to post opinions for the entertainment or education of complete strangers.

Hell of a first post, comfy. Welcome to mingle!

gathering information for the sake of having knowledge, is a bit different than doing it out of concern


I dont know any more or less about what they 'might' do than any other human who is not a fortuneteller,,,

thats kind of the point

well, there is the option for GOOGLE, YAHOO, and YOUTUBE to cease from linking to the offending site to avoid being 'shut down', they sure do it on AOL when people dont pay their dues, IM sure these mega domains will be able to adjust when people are breaking the law,,

If major sites opt to blackout in protest, I would trust their reasons way ahead of pundits on a forum.
I learned a new word.

Then you shouldn't have said:



Since this has never been done before how would you know what they USUALLY won't do?

the same way anyone else knows that they MIGHT....

Wonder what China censors?

Hussein wants us to duplicate China policy on censorship.

I saw posted on a forum, make of it what you will. If it's true, it may be just a matter of time before all this legislation goes through:

“It’s not a waiting game, it’s a game of poker. Lamar Smith has a royal flush and few people know it.
SOPA may pass. It may not. He doesn’t care, and it doesn’t matter. The MPAA and RIAA started working on their legislative strategy to pass a new anti-piracy bill in late 2010. SOPA was designed to raise the noise. Ever...yone is playing right into the entertainment industries hand. The lobbyists are laughing manically at the ignorance of the mob. Even Wikipedia and reddit have played into it.
What people don’t know about is the ace: H.R.1981, the Protecting Children From Internet Pornographers Act of 2011 which is lying in wait. It’s not complete. You see, PCIP is not contestable because it’s about protecting children. They can, and very well might, copy and paste the full text of SOPA to the end of PCIP. That’s the backup. That’s the deal that was struck with entertainment industry lobbyists. We will try to push this anti-piracy bill. It probably won’t work. Don’t worry, we can pass it under an anti-child pornography bill.
There are two things which no Congressman will risk supporting: terrorism and child pornography. There can be no opposition, no discussion. Any anti-piracy law can ALWAYS be reframed as an anti-child pornography bill and it will pass, without even discussion. It will have the full support of the House (minus Ron Paul), the full support of the Senate, and most importantly the full support of the American people. NO ONE wants to risk being called a pedophile.
The entertainment industry has finally caught up with technology. They understand how it works. It took them 15 years, but they know what DNS is. They are going to exploit a fundamental problem with the way DNS is centralized and there is nothing that can be done to stop it. They have found an error in the very architecture of the Internet. The solution, from a free speech standpoint is not to fight it politically. The solution is the fix the error.
We must move to a decentralized system of DNS. It is not impossible. It requires some new thinking and a re-architecture of some web services, but it must be done if we want the Internet, as we know it today, to exist in 5 or 10 years.”

That's not true. That sounds, maybe, like the nirvana fallacy. No one has perfect knowledge of what will happen, but different people have differing abilities to make informed, realistic predictions.

Historians, for one, may be in a better position to make predictions. Honest, educated, and experienced tech industry pundits are another group who may be in a better position.

You seemed to think that the issue of ownership was always a simple one, that a person claiming to own content would know whether or not they own the rights. This is false.



A great deal.



Well, he was too cowardly to stand up against NDAA. Willing2 I hope you oppose the MPAA/RIAA future evil efforts even if there is a republican in the white house.

even educated guesses are predictions,

but those people can label those guesses 'knowledge' as much as I can my religious beliefs,, I guess

I know, that in my park, in the ten years before I was accosted, noone had been in that park

that educated guess I made, that day, that I wouldnt be attacked was not KNOWLEDGE after all, because I was


I remember similar fear around the attempts to 'censor' child pornography and music and video pirating

yet, the internet is more abundant with information and misinformation than ever, porn is just as accessible, and so is music and video

its much ado about nothing,,from where I sit

even educated guesses are predictions,

but those people can label those guesses 'knowledge' as much as I can my religious beliefs,, I guess

I know, that in my park, in the ten years before I was accosted, noone had been in that park

that educated guess I made, that day, that I wouldnt be attacked was not KNOWLEDGE after all, because I was


I remember similar fear around the attempts to 'censor' child pornography and music and video pirating

yet, the internet is more abundant with information and misinformation than ever, porn is just as accessible, and so is music and video

its much ado about nothing,,from where I sit

We must fight it both politically and technologically.

http://p2pfoundation.net/Dot-P2P