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Topic: Wikipedia Protest: Websites Plan Jan 18 Shutdown Over SOPA
massagetrade Joined Thu 02/22/07 Posts: 8505	Sun 01/29/12 04:00 PM
Its 2012, people. We are building some amazing new technology which has the power to completely transform how we communicate, relate, learn, inform, create, connect, and share with each other. This evolution is far more important than a handful of companies that got fat off of a brief stage of technology that favored their business model.

Kleisto Joined Tue 05/13/08 Posts: 5704	Sun 01/29/12 11:36 PM Edited by Kleisto on Sun 01/29/12 11:38 PM
On copying vs. stealing, it's really not the same thing, and here's why: Generally speaking if you have made a copy of something, you OWN the thing in the first place or pay to view it. Example, you buy a DVD, or you order a sports package to view basketball games. You have already purchased the product, and haven't in fact stolen anything. You obtained it legally. Therefore, anything you do AFTER purchasing can NOT be stealing because it would mean you never paid for it at all by definition and just took it when that isn't the case. Really to me, once you have bought something you should have every right to do as you wish with it. It's your possession now, you legally paid for it. If you want to make a copy or two, you should be able to do that. Now if you give that copy to someone else, they may be stealing yes, but the initial copy or copies cannot be if you have paid for the product to start with.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sun 01/29/12 11:40 PM
On copying vs. stealing, it's really not the same thing, and here's why: Generally speaking if you have made a copy of something, you OWN the thing in the first place or pay to view it. Example, you buy a DVD, or you order a sports package to view basketball games. You have already purchased the product, and haven't in fact stolen anything. You obtained it legally. Therefore, anything you do AFTER purchasing can NOT be stealing because it would mean you never paid for it at all by definition and just took it when that isn't the case. Really to me, once you have bought something you should have every right to do as you wish with it. It's your possession now, you legally paid for it. If you want to make a copy or two, you should be able to do that. Now if you give that copy to someone else, they may be stealing yes, but the initial copy or copies cannot be if you have paid for the product to start with. the issue isnt copying, its copying WITHOUT permission if you pay for something, yes, you have permission to use it as you wish if someone lets you USE something, no, you dont have permission to use it as you wish but must abide by whatever conditions they set forth for its use,,,

Kleisto Joined Tue 05/13/08 Posts: 5704	Sun 01/29/12 11:43 PM
On copying vs. stealing, it's really not the same thing, and here's why: Generally speaking if you have made a copy of something, you OWN the thing in the first place or pay to view it. Example, you buy a DVD, or you order a sports package to view basketball games. You have already purchased the product, and haven't in fact stolen anything. You obtained it legally. Therefore, anything you do AFTER purchasing can NOT be stealing because it would mean you never paid for it at all by definition and just took it when that isn't the case. Really to me, once you have bought something you should have every right to do as you wish with it. It's your possession now, you legally paid for it. If you want to make a copy or two, you should be able to do that. Now if you give that copy to someone else, they may be stealing yes, but the initial copy or copies cannot be if you have paid for the product to start with. the issue isnt copying, its copying WITHOUT permission if you pay for something, yes, you have permission to use it as you wish if someone lets you USE something, no, you dont have permission to use it as you wish but must abide by whatever conditions they set forth for its use,,, Thing is, a lot of these copyrights are placed on things we pay to view in the first place, so that statement is a contradiction.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sun 01/29/12 11:45 PM
On copying vs. stealing, it's really not the same thing, and here's why: Generally speaking if you have made a copy of something, you OWN the thing in the first place or pay to view it. Example, you buy a DVD, or you order a sports package to view basketball games. You have already purchased the product, and haven't in fact stolen anything. You obtained it legally. Therefore, anything you do AFTER purchasing can NOT be stealing because it would mean you never paid for it at all by definition and just took it when that isn't the case. Really to me, once you have bought something you should have every right to do as you wish with it. It's your possession now, you legally paid for it. If you want to make a copy or two, you should be able to do that. Now if you give that copy to someone else, they may be stealing yes, but the initial copy or copies cannot be if you have paid for the product to start with. the issue isnt copying, its copying WITHOUT permission if you pay for something, yes, you have permission to use it as you wish if someone lets you USE something, no, you dont have permission to use it as you wish but must abide by whatever conditions they set forth for its use,,, Thing is, a lot of these copyrights are placed on things we pay to view in the first place, so that statement is a contradiction. yes , YOU pay to view them and the copyright doesnt stop you from doing so it stops someone else who has not paid, from viewing it,

Kleisto Joined Tue 05/13/08 Posts: 5704	Sun 01/29/12 11:49 PM
On copying vs. stealing, it's really not the same thing, and here's why: Generally speaking if you have made a copy of something, you OWN the thing in the first place or pay to view it. Example, you buy a DVD, or you order a sports package to view basketball games. You have already purchased the product, and haven't in fact stolen anything. You obtained it legally. Therefore, anything you do AFTER purchasing can NOT be stealing because it would mean you never paid for it at all by definition and just took it when that isn't the case. Really to me, once you have bought something you should have every right to do as you wish with it. It's your possession now, you legally paid for it. If you want to make a copy or two, you should be able to do that. Now if you give that copy to someone else, they may be stealing yes, but the initial copy or copies cannot be if you have paid for the product to start with. the issue isnt copying, its copying WITHOUT permission if you pay for something, yes, you have permission to use it as you wish if someone lets you USE something, no, you dont have permission to use it as you wish but must abide by whatever conditions they set forth for its use,,, Thing is, a lot of these copyrights are placed on things we pay to view in the first place, so that statement is a contradiction. yes , YOU pay to view them and the copyright doesnt stop you from doing so it stops someone else who has not paid, from viewing it, Right but if you pay for it, why can't you copy it? That's the whole thing.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sun 01/29/12 11:50 PM
On copying vs. stealing, it's really not the same thing, and here's why: Generally speaking if you have made a copy of something, you OWN the thing in the first place or pay to view it. Example, you buy a DVD, or you order a sports package to view basketball games. You have already purchased the product, and haven't in fact stolen anything. You obtained it legally. Therefore, anything you do AFTER purchasing can NOT be stealing because it would mean you never paid for it at all by definition and just took it when that isn't the case. Really to me, once you have bought something you should have every right to do as you wish with it. It's your possession now, you legally paid for it. If you want to make a copy or two, you should be able to do that. Now if you give that copy to someone else, they may be stealing yes, but the initial copy or copies cannot be if you have paid for the product to start with. the issue isnt copying, its copying WITHOUT permission if you pay for something, yes, you have permission to use it as you wish if someone lets you USE something, no, you dont have permission to use it as you wish but must abide by whatever conditions they set forth for its use,,, Thing is, a lot of these copyrights are placed on things we pay to view in the first place, so that statement is a contradiction. yes , YOU pay to view them and the copyright doesnt stop you from doing so it stops someone else who has not paid, from viewing it, Right but if you pay for it, why can't you copy it? That's the whole thing. YOU can copy it all you want, for yourself not for someone else,,,especially, if you plan to make money from it,,,

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Mon 01/30/12 02:00 AM
On copying vs. stealing, it's really not the same thing, and here's why: Generally speaking if you have made a copy of something, you OWN the thing in the first place or pay to view it. Example, you buy a DVD, or you order a sports package to view basketball games. You have already purchased the product, and haven't in fact stolen anything. You obtained it legally. Therefore, anything you do AFTER purchasing can NOT be stealing because it would mean you never paid for it at all by definition and just took it when that isn't the case. Really to me, once you have bought something you should have every right to do as you wish with it. It's your possession now, you legally paid for it. If you want to make a copy or two, you should be able to do that. Now if you give that copy to someone else, they may be stealing yes, but the initial copy or copies cannot be if you have paid for the product to start with. the issue isnt copying, its copying WITHOUT permission if you pay for something, yes, you have permission to use it as you wish if someone lets you USE something, no, you dont have permission to use it as you wish but must abide by whatever conditions they set forth for its use,,, It is actually the unlawful distribution of that Copy!

massagetrade Joined Thu 02/22/07 Posts: 8505	Mon 01/30/12 01:21 PM
The past days worth of dialog reflects legal decisions that were made several (or more) decades ago. The idea was that you can buy a copy of something (you are paying both for the legal right to consume the media, the physical media itself, and the cost of copying the media). Now that you've purchased it, you have a legal right to make additional copies for your own use. Either the law itself, or court's interpretation of the law, held that copyright owners implicitly agreed to these terms when they sold you the media. This is totally reasonable. The disgustingly greedy content companies have been pushing, in different ways, to make this effectively illegal. Lemming-like consumers are helping it to happen. Today you can buy DRM-laden content only to discover you cannot make back up copies of the content. You cannot put it on more than one device, even if you are the sole user of those devices. When people have removed the DRM in order to have their original legal rights to make multiple copies for personal use, the sellers have threatened prosecution. if you pay for something, yes, you have permission to use it as you wish That's how it was, and how it should be. afaik, today, if you buy DRM laden media, you might very well not have permission/ability to make reasonable personal use of it.