wondering why you begin a thread with a question when you think you have all the answers, jeannie. "nothing" cannot exist???

How can Nothing exist?

Please explain.

Not really.

Time (as we know it) is measured only relative to events.

An event is an object (or matter) moving through space in relation to another object. An event is movement through space.

There must be matter and space before there can be time (time as we know it.)

But perhaps there is another kind of time. It would be relative to the conditions of energy.

Before the alleged Big Bang, what events were there? NONE.

But what were the conditions of energy? There must have been some energy assuming the big bang actually happened. (I'm not so sure it happened the way the think.)

It depends on what you mean by the big bang. If you are talking about the precise moment before which time and space did not exist, then it seems to me that you are right, it simply doesn't make any sense to talk about 'before'.

But maybe its possible that time and space first came into existence, and then underwent a dramatic expansion? If we call the expansion event the 'big bang', then there would be time 'before' the big bang.

I'm more interested in why jrbogie thinks "nothing" can exist.

So how does "nothing" exist?

If there is a thing (or condition) called 'nothing' then it is not really 'nothing' it is 'something' if in fact it exists.

Nothing. Null. The empty set. The thing Z which added or subtracted
to any other thing X yields X.



Nothing is easy.

I am more interested in what was before what was before the big bang.
I think it must have been the big kiss.

Before that it must've been the big hug.

Before that the big wink!

i didn't say it. hawking did. perhaps you can make better sense of his book "a brief history of time" than i was able to. you see, i'm even a more limited thinker than hawking is, jeannie.

My biggest problems with all these scientific theorys are:-

1, Earth is not the most advanced planet in the universe and I am sure, given all the circumstantial and anecdotal evidence, that we are not alone. In fact it's my belief that we are actually fairly low on the intellectual food chain.

2, Scientists seem to be so wrapped up in having to power to prove this theory or that theory that they never stop to wonder if they have the right. Also they are quite limited in their application of physics in that they fail to understand the true meaning of " Every action has an equal and opposite reaction" Surely it follows that Every state has an equal and opposite state. If this is so then in the matter of quantuum physics / mechanics where we have a continuum of space moving through time surely the opposite is time moving through space. Everything must have a balance within this octave of density.

3, Not enough credence is given to methods of seeking answers spiritually simply because spirituality is not provable. There are many more things to existence than meet the physical eyes but if we learn to use the third eye properly then alternatives may be seen.

4, Anyone who thinks or discounts out of hand, the possibilty that a superior race has not found and 'interfered' with the growth and evolution of this planet is fooling themselves. If our scientists cant leave well enough alone what they shouldn't be touching then you can bet your bottom dollar that the greater intellects of 'aliens' (for want of a better word) would have done the same in respect of us.

Just food for thought

Watch Nova tonight. I'm betting M-theory is discussed since it will be hosted by Brian Green. M-theory gives an explanation (right or wrong) of what happened before the big bang.

We have discussed this before.

What????

Well I guess,events are measured & planned relative to time.




An event can never be an object.

MOVEMENT of any object is surely an event.

I think u r trying to say that relative motion of earth with sun is making an entity called "time".That's true to an extent for us (human beings of this planet) ,but when we think about the universe the time measured in terms of seconds,minutes,hours,days,weeks,months,years etc. etc. aren't much useful.



No No.

Matter,space or any damn thing whatever it is
its origin,existence(survival) & demolition (expiry) all are time bound.

NOW,Can u make this of your statement without using the word "BEFORE"?




Time is time it can't be of any other kind.

Any condition of any type of energy is also time bound.

Any matter or energy won't be able to change its state / condition if time is not there for changing it & itself too.

Though anything exist or not time is always there for reference of anything or nothing.

It's upto you how u sense it & how u measure it.




Big bang itself was an event happened with reference to time.If time wasn't been there & if time wouldn't have changed itself then the said big bang would have been never happened.

I will also like to see how u make this statement too without using the word "BEFORE"



Completely agreed with this.

Nothing can happen without any action & ultimate reaction.

You are debating random science word streams?

Hmmm...
if there is really nothing,
then there is really nothing
so about which thing's existence are we all talking??
I mean,do anything exist if there is nothing???
what is there to which we shall refer as nothing????
Do it have any existance?????
In which form is it existing as nothing??????
Why are we calling it as nothing if it can do something like big bang???????
How can we call it as nothing if it can turn by TIME into an awesome universe like this????????

Random Science?

Science is science it can't be random.

Hmmmm...ur perception about my thoughts & language can be random.

No. Yours weren't. The ones you were debating were.

I have so many books I am reading I doubt if I will ever get around to his, but I will look into it.

But from what I have read and seen so far, his thinking is limited. I will have to read more to confirm that opinion, so I will suspend judgement for now.

If one were to convince me that "nothing" could exist, they would first have to describe what they mean by "nothing."

By my thinking, if anything at all exists, then nothing cannot exist.

An area of space that has no stars does not rate being called "nothing."

The term "nothing" represents the lack of "something." (everything and anything also)

"Nothing" is impossible because something exists.