Topic: one wonders why submission has to be enforced on us , women
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Wed 08/24/11 06:55 PM

All I am stating, there are gender related roles in a marriage and or relationship, men and woman are opposites after all, not trying to sound sexiest, just stating a fact.


What roles do you feel have to be gender related?

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Wed 08/24/11 06:58 PM
Excellent question....waiting......

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Wed 08/24/11 06:58 PM

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It is all good except it didn't address the reason that men wrote it in the bible so they could continue to have dominance over women no matter what name you wanted to call it.


I don't believe that was the intent of man...to have dominance. I believe the intent was for men and women to revere each other. The original version of the Bible was written in Hebrew. Their meanings and interpretations were sometimes different. I was just trying to explain the correlation between the words respect & submission of which you asked how they became synomymous.

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Wed 08/24/11 06:59 PM

Regardless of ones belief system, most woman expect the man to lead the family household, not so much from a monetary standpoint, but to lead by example, as to be a loving partner. a protector, the fixer of things, and to kill all the icky creepy crawly things.:banana:


I think a man and a woman can look to each other for leadership at different times

there are times in a marriage when partners fall down, go thru midlife crisis or unemployment or illnesses and such

at those times a woman need be strong indeed

as strong as a man

and we can do it - we WILL do it

if u have loved us well

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Wed 08/24/11 07:00 PM
I have an issue with being thought of as an opposite to a man anyway. We are equal and human making us far from opposite.

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Wed 08/24/11 07:02 PM

It's just my opinion but one word "submissive" is taken out of context here. To understand read Ephesians 5: 1-33. God asks us to submit unto our husbands...meaning: love,honor & respect him. To humble yourself to him. And if you read on until the end of the chapter, he tells husbands to love their wives as their own body. "He who loves his wife loves himself".

I don't think the intention written was to "bow down" to your husbands. God will not tolerate any bowing to anyone/anything unless it's to him and him only. "You shall have no other God's before me."
[/quote i totally agree wth u winterblue !

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Wed 08/24/11 07:03 PM

I have an issue with being thought of as an opposite to a man anyway. We are equal and human making us far from opposite.


:thumbsup:


this thread brings out my inner-feminist... laugh

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Wed 08/24/11 07:06 PM

I have an issue with being thought of as an opposite to a man anyway. We are equal and human making us far from opposite.


the only time I think of us being opposite is in the yin and the yang as it reminds me of spooning after sexlaugh blushing

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Wed 08/24/11 07:08 PM


[Hope this helped flowerforyou




It is all good except it didn't address the reason that men wrote it in the bible so they could continue to have dominance over women no matter what name you wanted to call it.


I don't believe that was the intent of man...to have dominance. I believe the intent was for men and women to revere each other. The original version of the Bible was written in Hebrew. Their meanings and interpretations were sometimes different. I was just trying to explain the correlation between the words respect & submission of which you asked how they became synomymous.


No matter what the interpretation is, the bible is misogynistic and chauvinistic. None of which is healthy for a woman to believe and live by whether a woman realizes it or not.

Submission and respect do not mean the same thing. That is what my point was. None of the definitions pointed to that being true either. Even with all the different forms of the definition.

Submitting is to allow control over. None of which should be happening in a healthy relationship.

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Wed 08/24/11 07:16 PM


I have an issue with being thought of as an opposite to a man anyway. We are equal and human making us far from opposite.


the only time I think of us being opposite is in the yin and the yang as it reminds me of spooning after sexlaugh blushing


Spooning is good as long as it is not too hot in the room...lol


Yin and yang do represent the whole. The opposites of the whole. Good and bad, light and dark, etc....

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Wed 08/24/11 07:19 PM
Woman are different from men both on a physical and emotional level, men's brains are also hardwired different then woman's, which is why men generally excel in math and science, there are woman that also excel in theses areas, but being a man mind is more pragmatic then a woman's, men have very low levels of estrogen, higher levels of estrogen attribute to have a higher degree of emotions, therefore having become less logical.

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Wed 08/24/11 07:21 PM

Woman are different from men both on a physical and emotional level, men's brains are also hardwired different then woman's, which is why men generally excel in math and science, there are woman that also excel in theses areas, but being a man mind is more pragmatic then a woman's, men have very low levels of estrogen, higher levels of estrogen attribute to have a higher degree of emotions, therefore having become less logical.



This didn't answer the question I asked earlier. Which roles do you feel have to be gender related.

And I don't agree that women are less logical. I don't think it's a gender thing. I know some men and women who are very logical and some who are not.

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Wed 08/24/11 07:28 PM


Woman are different from men both on a physical and emotional level, men's brains are also hardwired different then woman's, which is why men generally excel in math and science, there are woman that also excel in theses areas, but being a man mind is more pragmatic then a woman's, men have very low levels of estrogen, higher levels of estrogen attribute to have a higher degree of emotions, therefore having become less logical.



This didn't answer the question I asked earlier. Which roles do you feel have to be gender related.

And I don't agree that women are less logical. I don't think it's a gender thing. I know some men and women who are very logical and some who are not.


I agree. If this were true there would not be men who are artistic or psychic nor would their be women architects or engineers.


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Wed 08/24/11 07:28 PM



I have an issue with being thought of as an opposite to a man anyway. We are equal and human making us far from opposite.


the only time I think of us being opposite is in the yin and the yang as it reminds me of spooning after sexlaugh blushing


Spooning is good as long as it is not too hot in the room...lol


Yin and yang do represent the whole. The opposites of the whole. Good and bad, light and dark, etc....


feminine/masculine?

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Wed 08/24/11 07:30 PM

Woman are different from men both on a physical and emotional level, men's brains are also hardwired different then woman's, which is why men generally excel in math and science, there are woman that also excel in theses areas, but being a man mind is more pragmatic then a woman's, men have very low levels of estrogen, higher levels of estrogen attribute to have a higher degree of emotions, therefore having become less logical.


really you can talk with singme as she is kind

I think that statement is completely illogical as in Insane - meet my daughter in law to be the biomedical engineerlaugh

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Wed 08/24/11 07:30 PM




I have an issue with being thought of as an opposite to a man anyway. We are equal and human making us far from opposite.


the only time I think of us being opposite is in the yin and the yang as it reminds me of spooning after sexlaugh blushing


Spooning is good as long as it is not too hot in the room...lol


Yin and yang do represent the whole. The opposites of the whole. Good and bad, light and dark, etc....


feminine/masculine?


yea because there is both in each of us.

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Wed 08/24/11 07:33 PM


Woman are different from men both on a physical and emotional level, men's brains are also hardwired different then woman's, which is why men generally excel in math and science, there are woman that also excel in theses areas, but being a man mind is more pragmatic then a woman's, men have very low levels of estrogen, higher levels of estrogen attribute to have a higher degree of emotions, therefore having become less logical.


really you can talk with singme as she is kind

I think that statement is completely illogical as in Insane - meet my daughter in law to be the biomedical engineerlaugh


Thank you :smile

I just met a husband and wife last week at a happy hour. The woman is a scientist.

I know others who are engineers, doctors and so on. I know men who are artists. It just isn't a gender related thing.

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Wed 08/24/11 07:54 PM



Woman are different from men both on a physical and emotional level, men's brains are also hardwired different then woman's, which is why men generally excel in math and science, there are woman that also excel in theses areas, but being a man mind is more pragmatic then a woman's, men have very low levels of estrogen, higher levels of estrogen attribute to have a higher degree of emotions, therefore having become less logical.


really you can talk with singme as she is kind

I think that statement is completely illogical as in Insane - meet my daughter in law to be the biomedical engineerlaugh


Thank you :smile

I just met a husband and wife last week at a happy hour. The woman is a scientist.

I know others who are engineers, doctors and so on. I know men who are artists. It just isn't a gender related thing.


of course not! I think dragoness has a point that we all display charactersitics in our personalities that are feminine and masculine

perhaps the responder in that case has a very traditional view. I do as well, however, I think it ends at achievements and abilities - especially academic

it would be interesting, I think however, to see if men and women tend (not always) to approach engineering and/or mathematical problems differently...while still being apt achievers

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Wed 08/24/11 08:13 PM

The Bible commands that husbands should love their wives and wives submit to their husbands.men who love their wives don-t have to remind them to be submissive,its only those who withhold their love from their wives who struggle.women respond very well to love .lets hear from men ,wht do you think ?


Not saying I agree with any of this but what if the man is with holding love because she is not submitting? Which came first the chicken or the egg? I am not sure if we will ever know.

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Wed 08/24/11 08:16 PM
As I had stated earlier there are some women that also excel in the science fields, yes a man can also be artistic and creative, myself included, as I love to create in the kitchen, I also like to clean, something about turning chaos into order.

We should also keep in mind men and woman are both a part of the other, men are able to gain insight into their feminine side as a woman can be in touch with their male side, as we come from both the male and female.

As to the question of gender roles in a marriage, woman in general still look to the male as protector and, I have heard a lot of woman complaining about their men not acting like a man, like my ex use to tell me if she wanted a woman she would of been with a woman, men are expected by society to be more aggressive then woman, this is one reasons there are so few female ceo's, men have a more cutthroat mentality when it comes to business, it is all about winning for us men.

Sorry about the long wait for reply, I am on my job.