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Edited by
luv2roknroll
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Ohhhhhhhhhh, you just know I was just waiting for this question! I am a submissive in a sexual relationship. That does not mean that I cannot be the dominant,(I certainly like roll reversal) but I prefere the days of "Scarlett Ohara" and "Rhett Butler" when he said, "frankly Scarlette, I dont give a damn", and swooped her up in his arms,and carried her to the bedroom. Its JMO, but I find it much sexier, and much more exciting, when the man takes charge, between the sheets....it makes me feel like more of a woman, than a man, and thats hot! I suspect that you are not following the command of the bible in your perspective however. Just a hunch. 
"Im spiritual and dont think organised religion is for me. My relationship with God is private. I encourage anyone to follow their own beleifs there. No judgement from me. I seek the same". Im not married, and im celibate. 
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Edited by
msharmony
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Wed 08/24/11 02:56 PM
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Considering the advantages that a man would have in a relationship with a submissive woman, I cannot imagine that there is a man worthy of that much control over others. It makes the balance of power too much to one side. He gets to do what he wants when he wants with no regard to how it effects others, they best just accept it. Not happening. He is the man so what applies to others as in the activities, show of respect, etc... does not apply to him. He gets to use the bible to beat his authority into his family usually so he can take advantage of the situation for his benefit. Controlling all the money, determining who is monogamous in the relationship and who isn't, etc... Just not a good situation for a woman to be in no matter what. It is kinda like making the man into god and submitting to him. Not happening with any woman who sees her own worth, I would bet. noone knowing their worth would let anyone 'take advantage' of them ,regardless of the situation BUT a woman such as myself, completely aware of my self worth, would submit to a husband who took the bible seriously as it instructs us to be one and I dont suppose a sane person would ever abuse themself but would instead do what was benefiical to themsel(Their body) If I were to know a sick person who would have their mind tell their arm to do things harmful to that arm,, I wouldnt be the slightest bit attracted to them but a person whose head was always in the mind to do what was beneficial for the rest of the body, who could apply that to the family as a unit,, would be a treasure to find and 'submit' to |
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If a woman sees her own worth.....she does not submit to anyone. Otherwise she does not see her own worth.
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If a woman sees her own worth.....she does not submit to anyone. Otherwise she does not see her own worth. everyone submits to someone, because not everyone can be in charge of everything all the time even women we submit to teachers in the classroom, we submit to bosses at work, we submit to police in public with authority over people comes alot of RESPONSIBILITY for people, the one who holds such responsibility for others, EARNS a certain authority that can manifest in respect and submission ( a way to respect their choice to be responsible for others) |
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Edited by
luv2roknroll
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Wed 08/24/11 03:08 PM
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Considering the advantages that a man would have in a relationship with a submissive woman, I cannot imagine that there is a man worthy of that much control over others. It makes the balance of power too much to one side. He gets to do what he wants when he wants with no regard to how it effects others, they best just accept it. Not happening. He is the man so what applies to others as in the activities, show of respect, etc... does not apply to him. He gets to use the bible to beat his authority into his family usually so he can take advantage of the situation for his benefit. Controlling all the money, determining who is monogamous in the relationship and who isn't, etc... Just not a good situation for a woman to be in no matter what. It is kinda like making the man into god and submitting to him. Not happening with any woman who sees her own worth, I would bet.
I would never be a pet to a submissive man at all times, nor would I be with a controlling man,(outside of the bedroom). It even says so on my profile.  (Its called "role playing, and its all if fun).
Otherwise, thats just crazy! 
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Hummmm why would a woman ever let anyone force her to do something she does not want too do? Unless it is something I enjoy then forget it..
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Considering the advantages that a man would have in a relationship with a submissive woman, I cannot imagine that there is a man worthy of that much control over others. It makes the balance of power too much to one side. He gets to do what he wants when he wants with no regard to how it effects others, they best just accept it. Not happening. He is the man so what applies to others as in the activities, show of respect, etc... does not apply to him. He gets to use the bible to beat his authority into his family usually so he can take advantage of the situation for his benefit. Controlling all the money, determining who is monogamous in the relationship and who isn't, etc... Just not a good situation for a woman to be in no matter what. It is kinda like making the man into god and submitting to him. Not happening with any woman who sees her own worth, I would bet.
I would never be a pet to a submissive man at all times, nor would I be with a controlling man,(outside of the bedroom). It even says so on my profile. (Its called "role playing, and its all if fun).
Otherwise, thats just crazy!
I prefer submissive in the bedroom as my role too. Have had some men who wanted me to do the dominatrix stuff but it doesn't come natural for me. I am more comfortable with him in the drivers seat there. So I do understand  and agree.
And in after thought, I do prefer him to drive if we are together, if he is a safe driver that is and I like him to choose the restaurants to go to too. I actually like a man who knows what he wants and goes after it. I just do not want him to believe that he has control over me at any level nor me him. |
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If a woman sees her own worth.....she does not submit to anyone. Otherwise she does not see her own worth. Absolutely. I could never be with someone who was submissive or wanted me to be. I think in relationships; you can compromise so decisions are made together and neither person need to be in charge. In the military we are taught to work as a team which is broguht together by leadership; We take charge of a group to complete a task but the best leader is one who listens to their people offer views and ideas. When I was in charge; I would never think of others that took my orders as submissive as I respect them way too much. |
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Considering the advantages that a man would have in a relationship with a submissive woman, I cannot imagine that there is a man worthy of that much control over others. It makes the balance of power too much to one side. He gets to do what he wants when he wants with no regard to how it effects others, they best just accept it. Not happening. He is the man so what applies to others as in the activities, show of respect, etc... does not apply to him. He gets to use the bible to beat his authority into his family usually so he can take advantage of the situation for his benefit. Controlling all the money, determining who is monogamous in the relationship and who isn't, etc... Just not a good situation for a woman to be in no matter what. It is kinda like making the man into god and submitting to him. Not happening with any woman who sees her own worth, I would bet.
I would never be a pet to a submissive man at all times, nor would I be with a controlling man,(outside of the bedroom). It even says so on my profile. (Its called "role playing, and its all if fun).
Otherwise, thats just crazy!
I prefer submissive in the bedroom as my role too. Have had some men who wanted me to do the dominatrix stuff but it doesn't come natural for me. I am more comfortable with him in the drivers seat there. So I do understand and agree.
And in after thought, I do prefer him to drive if we are together, if he is a safe driver that is and I like him to choose the restaurants to go to too. I actually like a man who knows what he wants and goes after it. I just do not want him to believe that he has control over me at any level nor me him. 
And I might add, I only prefere this with a man that I am intimate with physically, and have a serious, and loving relationship with!So someone ive spent LOTS of time with,and we know each other VERY well. That way there is no misconception, that I am being controlled, other than in fun! Im wayyyyyyyyyy to independent for that! |
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Edited by
luv2roknroll
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Wed 08/24/11 03:33 PM
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Ohhhhhhhhhh, you just know I was just waiting for this question! I am a submissive in a sexual relationship. That does not mean that I cannot be the dominant,(I certainly like roll reversal) but I prefere the days of "Scarlett Ohara" and "Rhett Butler" when he said, "frankly Scarlette, I dont give a damn", and swooped her up in his arms,and carried her to the bedroom. Its JMO, but I find it much sexier, and much more exciting, when the man takes charge, between the sheets....it makes me feel like more of a woman, than a man, and thats hot! I suspect that you are not following the command of the bible in your perspective however. Just a hunch.
"Im spiritual and dont think organised religion is for me. My relationship with God is private. I encourage anyone to follow their own beleifs there. No judgement from me. I seek the same". Im not married, and im celibate.
This was your quote.... "I suspect that you are not following the command of the bible in your perspective however. Just a hunch." The "I suspect", and "Just a hunch", gives the impression that you are guessing something about me, and you dont even know me. Therefore, you are making a prejudgment about me, based on nothing you are fully aware is true. |
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Edited by
luv2roknroll
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Wed 08/24/11 03:36 PM
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Im not married, and im celibate.
I think you misunderstood me. I was relating your comment to the original post. She refers to the bible and God as commaning the submission. Oh, how silly of me! Carry on, carry on! |
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The bible was written a very long time ago and people should realise that much of it doesn't apply to modern society. Many believers will disagree and choose to live in a way that is not best for them or their happiness. I find it very pitiful. I agree with this! |
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submission doesnt require a woman to not think for themself or speak their minds it requires respect for the husband I can certainly respect someone without being submissive. |
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Edited by
luv2roknroll
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Wed 08/24/11 04:02 PM
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Im not married, and im celibate.
I think you misunderstood me. I was relating your comment to the original post. She refers to the bible and God as commaning the submission. Oh, how silly of me! Carry on, carry on!
I can see how anyone could have thought that. Sorry I wasnt very clear. Thats the internet! I believe alot of misunderstandings happen, because you are looking at a written word, on a computer, instead of talking face to face. Its not the same. Without seeing, and feeling, the emotion that the person is feeling, when they make comments, its hard to know EXACYLY what they mean by their statements! It gets alittle better if theres a webcam, but not completely! I am also sorry, for misunderstanding, what you wrote!
((((((  KLC ))))))
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It's just my opinion but one word "submissive" is taken out of context here. To understand read Ephesians 5: 1-33. God asks us to submit unto our husbands...meaning: love,honor & respect him. To humble yourself to him. And if you read on until the end of the chapter, he tells husbands to love their wives as their own body. "He who loves his wife loves himself".
I don't think the intention written was to "bow down" to your husbands. God will not tolerate any bowing to anyone/anything unless it's to him and him only. "You shall have no other God's before me." |
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submission doesnt require a woman to not think for themself or speak their minds it requires respect for the husband I can certainly respect someone without being submissive. Where did the idea come from that respect=submission anyways? It must have been men designing a social construct (bible)to give themselves the continued advantage throughout time. HMMM? 
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My bad! Thats the internet! I believe alot of misunderstandings happen, because you are looking at a written word, on a computer, instead of talking face to face. Its not the same. Without seeing, and feeling, the emotion that the person is feeling, when they make comments, its hard to know EXACYLY what they mean by their statements! It gets alittle better if theres a webcam, but not completely! I am also sorry, for misunderstanding, what you wrote!
(((((( KLC ))))))
See.. explanations do work when there are understandings sometimes. I'm glad you guys were able to work that out easily! |
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Where did the idea come from that respect=submission anyways? It must have been men designing a social construct (bible)to give themselves the continued advantage throughout time. HMMM?
One word has many many meanings. It can be used as a noun, verb, abjective & adverb. Here are some examples from Thesaurus.com. It may shed some light for you in that many of these words are used synomymous with "submit". Main Entry: respect Part of Speech: noun Definition: admiration given by others Synonyms: account, adoration, appreciation, approbation, awe, consideration, courtesy, deference, dignity, esteem, estimation, favor, fear, homage, honor, obeisance, ovation, recognition, regard, repute, reverence, testimonial, tribute, veneration, worship Antonyms: disdain, dishonor, disrespect Main Entry: respect Part of Speech: noun Definition: way, sense Synonyms: aspect, bearing, character, connection, detail, facet, feature, matter, particular, point, reference, regard, relation Main Entry: respect Part of Speech: verb Definition: admire; obey Synonyms: abide by, adhere to, adore, appreciate, attend, be awed by, be kind to, comply with, defer to, esteem, follow, have good opinion of, have high opinion, heed, honor, look up to, note, notice, observe of, pay attention, recognize, regard, revere, reverence, set store by, show consideration, show courtesy, spare, take into account, think highly of, uphold, value, venerate Antonyms: condemn, disobey, disrespect, scorn Concept: Respect. Category: 2. Moral sentiments Synonyms: -nouns respect, regard, consideration; courtesy; attention, deference, reverence, honor, esteem, estimation, veneration, admiration; approbation., homage, fealty, obeisance, genuflection, kneeling, prostration; obsequiousness; salaam, kowtow, bow, presenting arms, salute., respects, regards, duty, devoirs., devotion (piety). -verbs respect, regard; revere, reverence; hold in reverence, honor, venerate, hallow; esteem (approve of); think much of; entertain respect for, bear respect for; look up to, defer to; have a high opinion of, hold a high opinion of; pay attention, pay respect to; do honor to, render honor to; do the honors, hail; show courtesy; salute, present arms; do homage to, pay homage to; pay tribute to, kneel to, bow to, bend the knee to; fall down before, prostrate oneself, kiss the hem of one's garment; worship., keep one's distance, make room, observe due decorum, stand upon ceremony., command respect, inspire respect; awe, impose, overawe, dazzle. -adjectives respecting; respectful, deferential, decorous, reverential, obsequious, ceremoniuous, bareheaded, cap in hand, on one's knees; prostrate (servile)., respected; in high esteem, in high estimation; time-honored, venerable, emeritus. -adverbs in deference to; with all respect, with due respect, with the highest respect; with submission., saving your grace, saving your presence; salva sit reverentia; pace tanti nominis. -phrases "and pluck up drowned honor by the locks" [Henry IV]; "his honor rooted in dishonor stood" [Tennyson]; "honor pricks me on" [Henry IV]. Here's a picture 
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Edited by
luv2roknroll
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Wed 08/24/11 05:05 PM
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submission doesnt require a woman to not think for themself or speak their minds it requires respect for the husband I can certainly respect someone without being submissive. Where did the idea come from that respect=submission anyways? It must have been men designing a social construct (bible)to give themselves the continued advantage throughout time. HMMM?
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It's just my opinion but one word "submissive" is taken out of context here. To understand read Ephesians 5: 1-33. God asks us to submit unto our husbands...meaning: love,honor & respect him. To humble yourself to him. And if you read on until the end of the chapter, he tells husbands to love their wives as their own body. "He who loves his wife loves himself". I don't think the intention written was to "bow down" to your husbands. God will not tolerate any bowing to anyone/anything unless it's to him and him only. "You shall have no other God's before me."
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