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Topic: What is sin, really?
s1owhand's photo
Sun 08/21/11 06:20 PM
Edited by s1owhand on Sun 08/21/11 06:27 PM
Sin?

Best to give an example.

Take this thread for example. This Thread is a sin.

drinker

:banana:

msharmony's photo
Sun 08/21/11 06:21 PM

Sin?

Best to give an example.

Ttake this thread for example. This Thread is a sin.

drinker

:banana:



lol,,nice

s1owhand's photo
Sun 08/21/11 06:30 PM
Pet Shop Boys

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-3jf3Vj850

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Mon 08/22/11 10:54 AM


Sin is transgresing the word or law of God 1john3:4-8,so there no big sin or small sin,all r equal



so if i steal an apple from your fruit basket,
i receive the same judgment and punishment as one
who kidnaps, rapes, tortures and kills a child?


God laws are not as man's laws. Of course there or different punishments for different degrees of crime according to man's laws, which according to the Word of God we are to follow the laws of the land.

There is no big sin or little sin in the eyes of God. Sin is sin, and anything that goes contrary to the Word of God is what He calls sin. God set guidelines by which men and women should live in order to live a safe and properous life. We can follow those guidelines if we choose. God will never override anyone free will, he gave you that free will in the first place.

But when we do things that go outside of the guidelines of His Word then we have to deal with the results. Like our own kids when we tell them something that is for their safety and best interest. We want the best for our children, why wouldn't God want that too. God has nothing to do with the mess and grief we see going on in the world, yet He gets blamed for it and people question why does He just stand by and let it happen. If your kids go against what you laid down what can you do? You watch them make mistakes, and pay the result for them until they come to you for help.

God is a good God and a loving God and the only way to know and understand that is to spend time getting to know Him.

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Mon 08/22/11 01:23 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Mon 08/22/11 01:24 PM
The laws we live under are the laws of Karma and cause and effect.

If you jump off a tall cliff you will probably die. If you shoot someone, you may get shot back or spend your life in prison.

There is a price to pay for every thought and every deed. That is the law.

Don't be too concerned about what organized religions tell you about God's law. There are countless religions and they all have different ideas about that. God's law is already in place. It is the law of Karma.


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Mon 08/22/11 09:11 PM

The laws we live under are the laws of Karma and cause and effect.

If you jump off a tall cliff you will probably die. If you shoot someone, you may get shot back or spend your life in prison.

There is a price to pay for every thought and every deed. That is the law.

Don't be too concerned about what organized religions tell you about God's law. There are countless religions and they all have different ideas about that. God's law is already in place. It is the law of Karma.




Hate to tell you, but belief in "Karma" is a religion.

Religion - a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith.

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Mon 08/22/11 10:13 PM
laugh laugh
why do you "hate to tell me?"

You can call it what ever you like, it really makes no difference to me how you define "religion."

I define it as an organized dogma with a savior or prophet as the central figure.


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Mon 08/22/11 10:32 PM

laugh laugh
why do you "hate to tell me?"

You can call it what ever you like, it really makes no difference to me how you define "religion."

I define it as an organized dogma with a savior or prophet as the central figure.




That's not how just I define it, that is how Webster defines it. That is how the world defines it. Not all religions have a saviour any ways. Buddhism doesn't have a "saviour". Nor is Buddha a "prophet".

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Mon 08/22/11 10:39 PM


laugh laugh
why do you "hate to tell me?"

You can call it what ever you like, it really makes no difference to me how you define "religion."

I define it as an organized dogma with a savior or prophet as the central figure.




That's not how just I define it, that is how Webster defines it. That is how the world defines it. Not all religions have a saviour any ways. Buddhism doesn't have a "saviour". Nor is Buddha a "prophet".


If that is true then everything is a religion.

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Mon 08/22/11 10:47 PM



laugh laugh
why do you "hate to tell me?"

You can call it what ever you like, it really makes no difference to me how you define "religion."

I define it as an organized dogma with a savior or prophet as the central figure.




That's not how just I define it, that is how Webster defines it. That is how the world defines it. Not all religions have a saviour any ways. Buddhism doesn't have a "saviour". Nor is Buddha a "prophet".


If that is true then everything is a religion.


Religion - a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith.

Not everything falls in that. Not everything is a "belief". Therefore not everything would be a religion. The sun comes up in the west and sets in the east, is not a "belief". You can see it happen, no doubt it happens.

Less you can please elaborate on exactly how everything would then be in the "religion" category.

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Mon 08/22/11 10:57 PM
Cowboy, I don't agree with your definition of religion as simply being a system of beliefs. Everyone has a system of beliefs.
I don't call it a religion unless it has a name and is an organized group cult.

If someone asked me what my "religion" is, I have no name for it. I don't call it a religion. It is just my personal belief system.



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Mon 08/22/11 11:05 PM

Cowboy, I don't agree with your definition of religion as simply being a system of beliefs. Everyone has a system of beliefs.
I don't call it a religion unless it has a name and is an organized group cult.

If someone asked me what my "religion" is, I have no name for it. I don't call it a religion. It is just my personal belief system.





That's not my definition. That's THE definition of THAT word. Words mean certain things weather that's how you take them, how you want them to be, or not. The exact definition of "religion" is as mentioned. It is the definition the world uses for the meaning of that word.

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Mon 08/22/11 11:11 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Mon 08/22/11 11:14 PM


Cowboy, I don't agree with your definition of religion as simply being a system of beliefs. Everyone has a system of beliefs.
I don't call it a religion unless it has a name and is an organized group cult.

If someone asked me what my "religion" is, I have no name for it. I don't call it a religion. It is just my personal belief system.




That's not my definition. That's THE definition of THAT word. Words mean certain things weather that's how you take them, how you want them to be, or not. The exact definition of "religion" is as mentioned. It is the definition the world uses for the meaning of that word.


Nope its not.

Not necessarily THE definition.



re·li·gion   [ri-lij-uhn] Show IPA
noun
1.
a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2.
a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3.
the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
4.
the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
5.
the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
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Mon 08/22/11 11:17 PM



Cowboy, I don't agree with your definition of religion as simply being a system of beliefs. Everyone has a system of beliefs.
I don't call it a religion unless it has a name and is an organized group cult.

If someone asked me what my "religion" is, I have no name for it. I don't call it a religion. It is just my personal belief system.




That's not my definition. That's THE definition of THAT word. Words mean certain things weather that's how you take them, how you want them to be, or not. The exact definition of "religion" is as mentioned. It is the definition the world uses for the meaning of that word.


Nope its not.

Not necessarily THE definition.



re·li·gion   [ri-lij-uhn] Show IPA
noun
1.
a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2.
a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3.
the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
4.
the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
5.
the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
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3.
the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.


The above definition puts it in the "religion" group as well. Many people believe in Karma, therefore it is a "body of person adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices". So still, therefore Karma would be in the religion category.

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Mon 08/22/11 11:22 PM
Karma is not a religion.

Sorry.


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Mon 08/22/11 11:27 PM

Karma is not a religion.

Sorry.




If it is believed by and practised by a group of people, it is a religion Jeaniebean. And Karma is as such.

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Mon 08/22/11 11:31 PM


Karma is not a religion.

Sorry.




If it is believed by and practised by a group of people, it is a religion Jeaniebean. And Karma is as such.


No. Karma is not practiced. It is basically the law of cause and effect with a spiritual spin on it.

The belief in karma is part of several different religions. It itself is not a religion.

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Mon 08/22/11 11:32 PM
I don't think anyone who filled out a form about what religion they are affiliated with would write "karma."laugh laugh laugh

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Mon 08/22/11 11:36 PM



Karma is not a religion.

Sorry.




If it is believed by and practised by a group of people, it is a religion Jeaniebean. And Karma is as such.


No. Karma is not practiced. It is basically the law of cause and effect with a spiritual spin on it.

The belief in karma is part of several different religions. It itself is not a religion.


The belief in itself turns makes it a religion at times. Yes there are religions that believe in "karma" as part of their belief. But when the belief stands by itself and is not influenced or associated with a belief system such as Buddhism, it is a religion as it has no religion to be tagged onto.

And when you say this little bit "It is basically the law of cause and effect with a spiritual spin on it." that is what makes it a religious belief for it is speaking of spirituality. Spirituality is PURELY religious. Outside of religion there is no spirituality.

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Mon 08/22/11 11:39 PM
Edited by CowboyGH on Mon 08/22/11 11:39 PM

I don't think anyone who filled out a form about what religion they are affiliated with would write "karma."laugh laugh laugh


It's not a religion in itself most of the time because it is a sub category of other beliefs, such as Buddhism and beliefs of similarity.

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