The Bible condones slavery as well as murder. Its written there. That psychopath in Norway caimed to be a christian. By your logic ALL christians are violent extremists who wish to gun down other people.

The Westboro baptist church claim to be christian. By your logic ALL christians wish to heckle the funerals of dead soldiers.

Thos examples are not minorities within christianity, they are simply following the messages within the Bible. ALL christians are just like them, every single one. By your logic.

(as an side, as I typed that reply there was an advert for muslim singles dating ... is that Allah's sense of humour? lol)

First, My logic has nothing to do with the Bible. To compare Islam with the Bible is foolish at the very least.

Christians will tell you the Bible is Inspired by God and has lots of Authors.

Muslims will tell you the Quran is ALLAH speaking directly to them.
These are not stories about Noah and Job; these are explicit instructions on how to behave and what to do.

No, they are pretty much carbon copies of one another.

If we are going to hold all muslims responsible for the acts of their extreme fanatics we will simply have to hold all of your faith responsible for the generations of vile evil deeds done in the name of your imaginary friend in the sky as well. A warning though, that list is long and ponderous.




Allah and god... same imaginary friend, just a different language.

As for the topic and building a mosque on or near ground zero... there were TWO mosques inside the towers that were destroyed that day. Plenty of the victims themselves were muslims so there is no special 'protect the victims' speech to be made as there is no common faith or creed for these victims. You do not get to pick and chose who you want to be protected and who you do not

That is one HUGE disparity between Christianity and Islam. So shall I toss Buddhism in the mix too? You are aware Buddhists believe good and evil are all part of life unlike Christianity and Islam. Christianity tries to turn away from evil when it can. Islam does evil in the name of their idea of good (spiritual purity). Buddhists can be either good or evil or ride the line between but they don't go around telling other Buddhists to kill people. Islam's Quaran flat out orders them to kill infidels when they can.

Here are some tasty quotes I found from the Quaran...

"...now that a Book confirming their own has come to them from God, they deny it...they reply: 'We believe in what was revealed to us.' But they deny what has since been revealed, although it is truth...Say: 'Whoever is an enemy of Gabriel' (who has by God's grace revealed to you [Muhammad] the Koran as a guide...confirming previous scriptures)..will surely find that God is the enemy of the unbelievers.'...And now that an apostle has come to them from God confirming their own Scriptures, some of those to whom the Scriptures were given cast off the Book of God behind their backs...The unbelievers among the People of the Book, and the pagans, resent that any blessings should have been sent down to you from your Lord. " (Surah 2:88-, 98-, 103-)

"Slay them wherever you find them...Idolatry is worse than carnage...Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme." (Surah 2:190-)

"Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it." (Surah 2:216)

"Men are tempted [in this life] by the lure of women...far better is the return of God. Say: 'Shall I tell you of better things than these, with which the righteous shall be rewarded by their Lord? Theirs shall be gardens watered by running streams, where they shall dwell for ever: wives of perfect chastity..." (Surah 3:14, 15)

"The only true faith in God's sight is Islam." (Surah 3:19)

"Believers, do not make friends with any but your own people...They desire nothing but your ruin....You believe in the entire Book...When they meet you they say: 'We, too, are believers.' But when alone, they bite their finger-tips with rage." (Surah 3:118, 119)

"If you should die or be slain in the cause of God, His forgiveness and His mercy would surely be better than all the riches..." (Surah 3:156-)

"To those that declare: 'God has commanded us to believe no apostle unless he brings down fire to consume an offering,' say: 'Other apostles before me [Muhammad] have come to you with veritable signs and worked the miracle you asked for...If they reject you [Muhammad], other apostles have been rejected before you..." (Surah 3:183-)

"If you wish to replace a wife with another, do not take from her the dowry you have given her..." (Surah 4:20)

"Forbidden to you are...married women, except those you own as slaves." (Surah 4:20-, 24-)

"Believers, do not approach your prayers when you are drunk, but wait till you can grasp the meaning of your words..." (Surah 4:43)

"Seek out your enemies relentlessly." (Surah 4:103-)

"Try as you may, you cannot treat all your wives impartially." (Surah 4:126-)

"The Jews and Christians say: 'We are the children of God and His loved ones.' Say: 'Why then does He punish you for your sins?" (Surah 5:18)

"Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends." (Surah 5:51)

"The God will say: 'Jesus, son of Mary, did you ever say to mankind 'Worship me and my mother as gods besides God?' 'Glory to You, 'he will answer, 'how could I ever say that to which I have no right?" (Surah 5:114-)

"Believers, when you encounter the infidels on the march, do not turn your backs to them in flight. If anyone on that day turns his back to them, except it be for tactical reasons...he shall incur the wrath of God and Hell shall be his home..." (Surah 8:12-)

"Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God's religion shall reign supreme." (Surah 8:36-)

"If you fear treachery from any of your allies, you may fairly retaliate by breaking off your treaty with them." (Surah 8:51-)

"...make war on the leaders of unbelief...Make war on them: God will chastise them at your hands and humble them. He will grant you victory over them..." (Surah 9:12-)

"It ill becomes the idolaters [non-Muslims] to visit the mosques of God..." (Surah 9:17)

"Fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures were given [Jews and Christians]...until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued." (Surah 9:27-)

"It is He who has sent forth His apostle with guidance and the true Faith [Islam] to make it triumphant over all religions, however much the idolaters [non-Muslims] may dislike it." (Surah 9:31-)

"If you do not fight, He will punish you sternly, and replace you by other men." (Surah 9:37-)

"Prophet make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home." (Surah 9:73)

"Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them." (Surah 9:121-)

"Say: 'Praise be to God who has never begotten a son; who has no partner in His Kingdom..." (Surah 17:111)

"'How shall I bear a child,' she [Mary] answered, 'when I am a virgin...?' 'Such is the will of the Lord,' he replied. 'That is no difficult thing for Him...God forbid that He [God[ Himself should beget a son!...Those who say: 'The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son,' preach a monstrous falsehood..." (Surah 19:12-, 29-, 88)

"Fight for the cause of God with the devotion due to Him...He has given you the name of Muslims..." (Surah 22:78-)

"Blessed are the believers...who restrain their carnal desires (except with their wives and slave-girls, for these are lawful to them)...These are the heirs of Paradise..." (Surah 23:1-5-)

"You shall not force your slave-girls into prostitution in order that you make money, if they wish to preserve their chastity." (Surah 24:33-)

"As for the faithful who do good works and believe what is revealed to Muhammad...He will forgive them their sins..." (Surah 47:1)

"Muhammad is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another." (Surah 48:29)

"Shall the reward of goodness be anything but good?...Dark-eyed virgins sheltered in their tents...They shall recline on green cushions and fine carpets...Blessed be the name of your Lord..." (Surah 55:52-66-)


And what happened to the Jews when no one took Mein Kamph seriously?

AndyBgood,

Are you actually attempting to pit Christianity against Islam and casting Christianity as 'the good guys' and Islam as the bad guys?'

They are both misled and foolish people. The Bible has as much blood on its hands as the Quaran.

And you have no idea what's going on with the Jews.

Read the book "The invention of the Jewish People" for an incite into that fiasco.

Allah and god... same imaginary friend, just a different language.



Read your Quran, it a book about how to wage war.

Most Muslims would disagree YHVH is ALLAH.

Do you know anything about the rituals in Islam?

Actually muslims worship the very same god of the bible. This is just a fact. Same god, different perspective. Muslims have a great respect for jesus as well. Though do not believe jesus to be the son of god they still hold him in high regard.

Soo, the Quran is solely a book of war and bible isn't, eh? Yet christians from near the beginning have commited and some continue to commit vile acts. Christians do this from a good book? Christians must ALL be evil, crazy nutters then, right?
The fact is, the bible does contain passages that encourage violence against unbelievers, the Old Testement is full of examples, and usually such acts were commanded from god or from his prophets. So, by your understanding that violent minorities represent the group as a whole ALL christians are evil bad fascists. Right?

And you cannot defend the bible by claiming it has peaceful passages either. That doesn't count. The Quran has peaceful pasages also but if you disregard those then you must disregard the bible's.

Yes, I actually have a masters in religious studies.

Comparing Islam and any other religions is foolhardy.

This stuff is like drugs, to compare one to another and think they are the same thing can be deadly.

If one cannot talk about Islam without making useless comparisons with other faiths, one only demonstrates a lack of understanding about Islam.


>The Quran has peaceful pasages
There's about two, I challenge you to find them both.

>Actually muslims worship the very same god of the bible

This is really curious. Muslim accept the Bible, because they have to; it existed before Mo heard a WHO in his cave.

Moreover, Muslim deny ALLAH is YHVH. As you know, they degrade Jesus to a Profit$. So in that since, its not the SAME God. I doubt highly most Christians would accept Jesus was just a Profit$.

Islam has no other choice but to claim it's the LAST communication from ALLAH. To bad it was a verbal tradition and never a "BOOK" to begin with.

Yes, I actually have a masters in religious studies.

Good for you.

Then you should have a Clear Understanding of what Islam is and What Islam wants to be.

Im sure you can spell Caliphate and understand what it means for Human Beings.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/isl_qura.htm

A wee site with some quotations. You're not going to tell us that entire site is all lies is it?

And I dont see you denying the claim that ALL christians are mass murduring psychos. Do you believe that too?

Here is the difference, with Christianity the Holy War was declared by the pope and ended with the Third Crusade and the fall of the Knights Templar. Islam the Holy War or Jihad as we know it is still on going. And Judism isn't about violence in the first place and their era of blood was during the time of the Judges. It is Islam who perpetuates the Era of Religious Bloodshed. Yes to this day there are Christians who take the stance of the Knights Templar (the Crusades) but most other Christians rebuke them for their acts of sin in the name of God. When the WTC got nuked by Jumbo Jets how many Islamic cities celebrated the news? So why Should I NOT dare a comparison of contrast between them? Show me where Jesus said "GO FORTH AND KILL IN MY FATHER'S NAME!" Likewise I just provided proof of how vicious Islam really is with quotes from the Quaran! What part of "Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it." (Surah 2:216) and "The only true faith in God's sight is Islam." (Surah 3:19) and "Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them." (Surah 9:121-) are you choosing to not understand?

As JaJM mentioned Allah and Yahweh are one in the same BUT BUT BUT thanks to the Christians of the Crusades, Islam by treaty chose Mohammad over Jesus as the chief prophet of their faith and that in turn caused Islam to go the way they are now! Now if Islam TRULY revered Jesus they would turn from Mohammad's teachings without having to resort to converting to Christianity! they would turn away from violence and Jihad! BUT NO! they like Martyrdom. They like blood. they like violence. It is a tenant in the Quaran. the bible is a history book filled with all the carnal depravity of mankind. The New Testimate is when Jesus said "Just live a good life in peace with each other." Again show me where Jesus condones violence. PLEASE!

I didn't claim that Jesus condoned violence. But the old testament sure does.

And if you are a Christian then you should walk the walk and stop talking about starting a war with Islam. Walk the walk Andy. If Christians are so peaceful, then be a good example.

All three of those religions are fake anyway and they are based on the fiction of King David who never existed. They are all based on Abraham who never existed.

when was the last time a "christian" chopped someones head off?
(and then televised it for everyone to see)
who was the last christian to have seven wives and beat them at his leisure?
who was the last christian to fly (4) planes in buildings and kill 3000 people?
who was the last Christian to marry an eight year old?
where does it say in the bible that all other religions should be wiped out?
should i go on?

First of all, the people who did that head chopping were all wearing masks. They could have been Mossad dressed up as Arabs for all you know. Just like the five dancing Israeli's who were dressed up like Arabs. And just like the three Mossad agents who bombed a building in Old Mexico and were caught and then set free.

Mossad probably did the head chopping, and probably did 9-11 too.

When terrorists wear hoods and disguise themselves they can be any mercenary that is paid by the Illuminati to spread terror. Truth is you have no proof of anything. All you have is what lies you have been told. All you know is what THEY WANT YOU TO THINK.

do i really need to comment here? i'll say it again, just so you know....


the "jews" do not, DO NOT, do not, cause all of the problems in the world, i can prove this too...

The Old Testimate does not tell people to go forth and kill. Yes there were passages where God commanded the Hebrews to kill BUT it was the history of the world before Jesus and a comparator to those seeking the difference between the good and evil Jesus fought for. Again how can you dare compare the Quaran which IS a book of instruction to the Old Testimate which is a historical account? You re aware the Torah is the First Five books of the Bible? That is the holy book the Jews go by. You could say it is the Jewish bible. But even they see it as history and not a guide to commit crimes. The ten commandments and Sharia law directly oppose one another!

Well I'm not going to get into an argument about whom I should or should not hate, or who is more evil, Christian, Jew, or Islam. They are all guilty of letting themselves be manipulated into murder and mayhem.

If the Bible truly promotes peace then how in the world did three religions evolve from its pages? They all are based on King David and Abraham.

Fictional characters.

So who has been fooled?

All of them.

Its time to wake the hell up.

If I may ask you what religions have you studied? How deep, and how many of these places have you lived in to know and understand geopolitical and geosocial undertones these various religions play in societies? You would come to us claiming a masters and dubiously act like other members are ignorant of the "other" religion? I grew up with the bible pounded into my head (RSVP version) in a Lutheran Grade School. I studied comparative religions in a Catholic high School (GOT AN A+ In that one too, one of the few classes I got an A+ in). I used to go to philosophical war with those priests and by God they had no idea how to handle someone who knew their book as well as they did if not better in some cases! This led to me having a leap of faith that all religion is a lie but the truth lies within that lie. You cannot compare Christianity to Buddhism. There is no way. Christianity wants to be all good where Buddhism admits to good and evil needing one another. The only way Islam compares to Christianity is the Holy Roman Church of the Dark Ages where Europe was gripped by absolute theocracy. Now let us look to Egypt. If Islam teaches tolerance and love for another like Jesus (A PROFIT IN MY OPINION WHO WAS MISLEAD TO THINKING DYING FOR HIS CAUSE WOULD GLORIFY HIS MESSAGE AND GOD!) why would Coptic Christians be attacked and their churches burned. Coptic are not violent. So why would the Islamics have any reason to attack them?????

It's all over the net that Mohamed was a warmongering pedophile.