And the truth is exposed....

People will one day completely discredit the Bible as mostly a work of fiction and discover how it was rewritten. It will be discovered that Abraham was a fictional character, as well as his so-called descendants. That is when all of the Abrahamic religions of the world will fall apart and the true lineage of the Jewish people will be discovered, because they certainly can't be God's chosen people when this happens.

So in this way, the Jews and the Abrahamic religions are co-dependent on each other in the desire to prevent the truth from being known.

This chipping away of the lies we have been told for centuries is happening now.

No need to loose your belief in God, if you have one. But we have been lied to.

See, now your getting somewhere and telling us who you are.

I am getting at the truth.

I think it is important that we know the truth.

The truth will set us free, nothing else will do.

Truth as you have seen it or experienced it.

Um ... Ok ...

People that don't believe in the Bible have been saying this for decades.

Have yet to see anyone prove anything false in the Bible.

Actually, I have a few stories of people that went out to prove it false and ended up being Christian in the process.

Where are the people and evidence you suggest exists????

You made a wild claim that Abraham WILL be proven to be a fictional character. No evidence, just a BELIEF that will be true at some random point in the future.

Of course not cause you won't accept anything as such with your bias. You can't see the reality without letting go of that.

You know I just don't get these people either. I just spent a week of my time telling them how they can study and find out if this is true or not and as soon as I turn my back they are back to bashing (in the name of love). I'm afraid they are losing credibility with me bigtime.

If people haven't studied it, it's just wind and anger. Now I'm kinda hoping more Christians come up here than they can count and give them a big kiss right on the lips.

take care bro

That applies to you just as thoroughly.

You will not accept anything that conflicts with your views. Your statement is usually, "It is part of the conspiracy. They are blinding you."

Is see reality just fine. I don't see massive conspiracies everywhere I look.

Definition of a conspiracy:

1. A secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.
2. The action of plotting or conspiring.

Just by claiming it to be a conspiracy, you have self fulfilling proof. You can't see it clearly because it is a secret. Lack of evidence is actually proof of it.

Well said MG. I've seen that too...

But there IS evidence, you just choose to ignore it. You really don't see reality like you think you do. As they say, the truth is stranger than fiction.

If you could actually prove me wrong, I'd accept it, but you really can't.

You know I find that funny, cause I see a lot of Christians bashing in the same way, in the name of their version of love. That's about the definition of the pot calling the kettle black if you ask me.

Further, maybe some people HAVE studied, and just came to a different conclusion than you did. Just because they don't believe what you believe, doesn't mean they're wrong.

Right, because so far every single time without exception that I have proven you wrong your response has been, "It's a conspiracy. Open your eyes. I can't believe you don't see it."

You discard proof. Can't prove you wrong when you toss it aside like yesterday's garbage.

the problem with that is , the fact will remain the fact even if not one person believes it

and

its hard to prove a negative, especially historically speaking

coming up with proof that someone 'never' existed must be one of the most difficult things to do thousands of years after that person has been written about and accepted as real without evidence to the contrary,,

This I find fascinating.

Those that argue against Christianity are fairly angry, or at least appear to be, towards Christians. They get mad at Christians for being exclusionary and say that Christians hate.

The Christian response is generally, just open your heart and accept people for who they are.

Then these same people that beat up Christians, congratulate each other on how loving and accepting they are towards everyone, (except Christians but they never mention that.)

two things dont sit well with people

tell them they are 'wrong'

and

tell them tney are 'wrong' and just too apparently unintelligent or 'naive' to realize they are wrong


both sides continue to do it to each other,,,sadly

No, we have no problem with you, EXCEPT when you shove your beliefs down our throats when we don't care to hear it. If you wanna believe what you do, that's fine, no one is going to tell you can't, even if we don't agree with it. But when you start to say your belief is for everyone, that's where you cross the line. It's a line many Christians cross, whether they realize it or not.

So don't even tell me, that Christians accept people as they are, because if they did, they wouldn't push their ideas of change onto people who don't think or live their lives the way they do. Granted not all Christians may do that, but I'd bet a good portion of them do, be it consciously or subconsciously.

Um, actually, the OP in this thread is saying I shouldn't believe in it and I am wrong to do so.



Seriously?

Your belief is for everyone - if they choose to accept it.
Atheism is a for everyone - if they choose to accept it.
Islam is for everyone - if they choose to accept it.
Buddhism is for everyone - if they choose to accept it.

Apparently, Christianity is not allowed in this category.

Seems today's prevailing attitude is: "You can be Christian if you are now. That is OK. But you aren't allowed to infest others or your children with it."

Yes to us you are wrong, but we aren't telling you you can't believe it, or that if you don't you will die or anything like that. We cannot take that right from you as much as you can't take the right from us to believe the opposite.

No, here's the difference between Christianity and some of the others, particularly things like atheism and buddhism.

In other non religious systems, nowhere are you told that if you don't believe as they believe, you won't be saved, or that God is gonna send you to Hell, or any variation therein. They will tell you what they believe, and whether you believe it or not, what you take from it, that's up to you, and they by and large will understand that.

It's not quite the same thing in Christianity, because you HAVE to be right, and you can't be right and have others believing what they want too. So if one tries to go against you, they're wrong by default, and they have to come back to the "truth". They are given little choice. I felt this from my own family when I left Catholicism, they drove me away from them for simply making a choice.

If you wanna tell people what you believe, do that, I have no issue with that. But when you start to get on people who think different from you, and start to forcably try and convert them, that's going too far. Like what if you had a kid, who decided he didn't believe in your version of God? Could you handle that, or would you cast him out for it?

Excuse me young man! Have I told anyone here what to believe?