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No I just confuse it with communications from a supreme spiritual being talking directly to my soul.
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That is not an answer since ALL psychics are fake. Will you answer my questions or merely dodge around the fact that your viewpoints do not stand up to any scrutiny other than a simple self assessment you conjured to convince yourself. No, all psychics are not fake. That is simply your belief. :-D haha. Name one genuine psychic. You cannot because it is fake. You have the audacity to call magicians con men and say the peddle deceit but then believe in psychic abilities? You are so far off the reservation it is no longer worth engaging with you. |
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Why are all humans not born with the innate belief and proof that such a spiritual force is present. Some are. Why do we need to discover it? Why you and not me? Some never do. Why are all humans not born with knowledge? Why do they have to discover it? Why are some people smarter than others? Why are some more gifted? |
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That is not an answer since ALL psychics are fake. Will you answer my questions or merely dodge around the fact that your viewpoints do not stand up to any scrutiny other than a simple self assessment you conjured to convince yourself. No, all psychics are not fake. That is simply your belief. :-D haha. Name one genuine psychic. You cannot because it is fake. You have the audacity to call magicians con men and say the peddle deceit but then believe in psychic abilities? You are so far off the reservation it is no longer worth engaging with you. I'm just telling you the TRUTH. I can't help what you decide to believe. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Tue 06/14/11 05:06 PM
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Why does the idea of the universe being a quantum computer being used by a conscious thinking stuff bother you, and why do you translate that into a "supreme being?"
Don't you think you are a supreme being? Could it be that you hate the idea of any being being more supreme than you? I just sense so much hostility coming from you. I don't understand it really. |
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Why are all humans not born with the innate belief and proof that such a spiritual force is present. Some are. I said why are not ALL humans. Why do we need to discover it? Why you and not me? Some never do. Why are all humans not born with knowledge? Why do they have to discover it? Why are some people smarter than others? Why are some more gifted? All humans are born with knowledge. Noam Chomsky has shown that linguistics is an innate ability. We are also born with the knowledge that we can give visual and audible alarms when we require feeding or are physiologically uncomfortable. We are born with the knowledge to recoil and avoid pain wherever possible until we develop a cognitive process to overcome the feeling. So now that we have put that rest maybe you can answer my question. It is acceptable to say that you can't by the way. Because we both know you actually can't. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Tue 06/14/11 05:17 PM
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Why are all humans not born with the innate belief and proof that such a spiritual force is present. Some are. I said why are not ALL humans. All humans are born with knowledge. Noam Chomsky has shown that linguistics is an innate ability. We are also born with the knowledge that we can give visual and audible alarms when we require feeding or are physiologically uncomfortable. We are born with the knowledge to recoil and avoid pain wherever possible until we develop a cognitive process to overcome the feeling. So now that we have put that rest maybe you can answer my question. It is acceptable to say that you can't by the way. --->Because we both know you actually can't. eeeeee you are such a scrapper!! LOL I always called that stuff "Instinct." But if you want to call it "knowledge" I guess we can agree to disagree on what knowledge is. It is my opinion that all people are born with what is called "a sixth sense." Some call that "psychic" but I call it one of the natural senses. All animals have it. It is the ability to sense an enemy and is used in the predator vs. prey game of life and death. Most humans have lost their ability to use their sixth sense. Some are just more unconscious than others. If you are into martial arts maybe you heard of the guy who can sleep, and still sense when an enemy approaches. |
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Why are all humans not born with the innate belief and proof that such a spiritual force is present. Some are. I said why are not ALL humans. All humans are born with knowledge. Noam Chomsky has shown that linguistics is an innate ability. We are also born with the knowledge that we can give visual and audible alarms when we require feeding or are physiologically uncomfortable. We are born with the knowledge to recoil and avoid pain wherever possible until we develop a cognitive process to overcome the feeling. So now that we have put that rest maybe you can answer my question. It is acceptable to say that you can't by the way. --->Because we both know you actually can't. eeeeee you are such a scrapper!! LOL I always called that stuff "Instinct." But if you want to call it "knowledge" I guess we can agree to disagree on what knowledge is. It is my opinion that all people are born with what is called "a sixth sense." Some call that "psychic" but I call it one of the natural senses. All animals have it. It is the ability to sense an enemy and is used in the predator vs. prey game of life and death. Most humans have lost their ability to use their sixth sense. Some are just more unconscious than others. If you are into martial arts maybe you heard of the guy who can sleep, and still sense when an enemy approaches. Timothy Leary thought he had the answer too. Out of body, out of mind experiences. "Turn on, tune in, drop out" |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Wed 06/15/11 09:02 AM
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I don't know about Timothy Leary. Wiki said he was into psychedelic drugs. I have never done any drugs especially psychedelic.
And that has nothing to do with how martial arts masters can do things like know when their enemy is approaching while they are sound asleep. That is actually called level 10 consciousness where the body is asleep and the mind or awareness is aware of its surroundings. It is the state you must be in before you do astral travel. You just have not left your body yet. Or maybe some of the masters have left their body and are remote viewing the vicinity around them. In regular medicine, it is described as sleep paralysis. The mechanism for moving the body has been shut down for dream sleep, but the mind is not yet dreaming. It is still aware of the room. And even though I lived through the drug culture of the 60's I stayed out of it. All those freaks thought "free love" meant "free sex" and they seldom took baths. All their free sex ended up in a bunch of kids named "Hope, Chasity, Flower, Faith, and other stupid names. The hippies of the 60's became the suburbs of the cities. |
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What would it take to convince a scientist that the universe is a quantum computer used by a conscious thinking substance or mind? |
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What would it take to convince a scientist that the universe is a quantum computer used by a conscious thinking substance or mind? And perhaps free beer served by women in skimpy outfits! |
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Edited by
Bushidobillyclub
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Wed 06/15/11 12:04 PM
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There was a time when I considered myself an atheist and strictly a materialist. I lived with the attitude that this life was it. The only one I will every have and when I'm dead, then I'm dead. It was quite liberating in a lot of ways. But something happened that changed that. All I can say is that it was some sort of "enlightenment" that happened while I was practicing some kind of yoga breathing. (I figured if I only had this one life, I better take good care of my physical body.)-- (no, I did not hyperventilate LOL) I know it sounds silly and metaphysical, but a light actually appeared in the room for a few seconds. I did not know what it was, but it went away after a few seconds. I did not give it another thought. But the next day I was a "new" more spiritually enlightened person. I don't know how to answer your question... "What would it take?" I don't think I can undo that "enlightenment" experience and I'm not sure I would want to. My life, previous to that, looking back on it, seems dead and wrong and pointless. I think there is more than simply and objective reality. Not that I don't like this one, I think its a great and fascinating work of art! I am just an average person, but I have had more than one pretty unbelievable and unexplainable personal experiences. Oh OTHER people can explain them for their own satisfaction... but I can't agree with their explanations. (It is sort of like asking someone what would it take to "unlearn" something or what would it take to return to being the person I was 30 years ago.) BTW psychoactive chemical exist in nature, molds can grow on food that do this. There are good explanations that can be tested, nothing you have presented has a shred of evidence to support it. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Wed 06/15/11 12:17 PM
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There are good explanations that can be tested, nothing you have presented has a shred of evidence to support it.
I never said it did. That is why I say that objective science is unable to help. Where people talk about the Body, mind and spirit, objective science basically only covers the body. "Body" = Material, physical "Mind" = Mind stuff, thought. "Spirit" = Source They don't even have a handle on "mind" as they don't really know much about thought. Just about every "explainable" phenomenon can be rationalized by some scientific dude who thinks he knows something. While it helps them deal with it in their own minds, and they are satisfied, their explanation is not always right. Yes, the mind hallucinates. Given that, this entire reality could be an hallucination except for the fact a great number of people agree on the hallucination to a certain extent. But not everyone actually sees things the exact same way. I don't believe in "magic." (Real magic) I think there is an explanation for EVERYTHING. BUT some explanations do reach into MIND and out of reach of the common scientific method. Science needs to expand into mind phenomenon. |
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There are good explanations that can be tested, nothing you have presented has a shred of evidence to support it.
I never said it did. That is why I say that objective science is unable to help. Where people talk about the Body, mind and spirit, objective science basically only covers the body. They don't even have a handle on "mind" as they don't really know much about thought. Just about every "explainable" phenomenon can be rationalized by some scientific dude who thinks he knows something. It help them deal with it in their own minds, and they are satisfied. Yes, the mind hallucinates. Given that, this entire reality could be an hallucination except for the fact a great number of people agree on the hallucination to a certain extent. But not everyone actually sees things the exact same way. |
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There are good explanations that can be tested, nothing you have presented has a shred of evidence to support it.
I never said it did. That is why I say that objective science is unable to help. Where people talk about the Body, mind and spirit, objective science basically only covers the body. They don't even have a handle on "mind" as they don't really know much about thought. Just about every "explainable" phenomenon can be rationalized by some scientific dude who thinks he knows something. It help them deal with it in their own minds, and they are satisfied. Yes, the mind hallucinates. Given that, this entire reality could be an hallucination except for the fact a great number of people agree on the hallucination to a certain extent. But not everyone actually sees things the exact same way. I know you believe that. "Explained" according to the scientific rationalization maybe. Guessing about some food mold is grasping at straws. In real life this can be investigated. If it is not found, the investigator simply concludes something similar must be it but he just has not found it yet. I've seen it many times. Its all mind stuff usually. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Wed 06/15/11 12:29 PM
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But for you guys to call "enlightenment" a product of drugs or mold seems pretty um..... desperate.
When Robert Monroe started having out of body experiences he went to a number of doctors, including psychiatrists and they found him to be healthy and of sound mind. He wrote three books and founded the Monroe institute. Which by the way, was used by the CIA to study strange phenomenon. (actually they were said to be X-CIA agents, but there is no such thing.) You act as if you have never heard of such things and I am the only person in the world who has. You also act as if a person who believes in "spirituality" has some sort of illness or defect that needs to be 'fixed.' I am truly amazed really. as I said, I don't believe in "magic." (Real magic) I think there is an explanation for EVERYTHING. BUT some explanations do reach into MIND and out of reach of the common scientific method. Science needs to expand into mind phenomenon. |
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Edited by
Bushidobillyclub
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Wed 06/15/11 12:33 PM
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But for you guys to call "enlightenment" a product of drugs or mold seems pretty um..... desperate. Only becuase it is impossible for you to not believe. There is nothing that would convince you otherwise.
If you where completely objective about this, you would see that is a very good explanation. Learning even more about human consciousness and that memory can misled order of events, or even make stuff up long after the event occurred you can then fit in anything else neatly to a cognitive issue, not an issue of a hidden spiritual world that interacts with the physical but conversely cannot be detected (a paradox) |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Wed 06/15/11 01:13 PM
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But for you guys to call "enlightenment" a product of drugs or mold seems pretty um..... desperate. Only becuase it is impossible for you to not believe. There is nothing that would convince you otherwise.
If you where completely objective about this, you would see that is a very good explanation. Learning even more about human consciousness and that memory can misled order of events, or even make stuff up long after the event occurred you can then fit in anything else neatly to a cognitive issue, not an issue of a hidden spiritual world that interacts with the physical but conversely cannot be detected (a paradox) I think the study of consciousness is extremely relevant. I also think that the study of hypnotism and the mind are very relevant. I don't believe in "magic." I believe everything has an explanation, but it may not be within the boundaries of an 'objective scientific' method. What I don't think is that a human being is nothing more than physical body parts that got lucky and became sentient. I believe I am as objective as I need to be but I am not "completely objective" because if I were, then I would still be right where you are. I can't be "deprogrammed" or "reverse indoctrinated" because I was never programmed or indoctrinated that I know of by a single authority or source. Since I find my life is better after my experiences, I see no reason to return to my former belief system. Even if I were to get several degrees in science and physics it is unlikely that will reverse engineer my spirituality. It is not that its impossible for me "not to believe" but it is impossible for me to forget what I know and feel. I have changed my core belief system at least twice in my life. Beliefs can change. More and more evidence that I find, points to the idea that all is MIND. David Bohm calls it the implicate and explicate orders. He, I believe, is a physicist. I feel I understand what he means by that. (Perhaps it is you who can't "not believe" what you believe.) |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Wed 06/15/11 01:19 PM
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On most levels I still consider myself to be an "atheist" as I do not believe in a supreme being who "created everything." I am more likely to think that I am "a being" who manifests reality and a body and that everyone else does this is too.
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