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Well thats flawed logic. Lets pull a line from South Park. What if I said the world was created by a giant spaghetti monster. You can't "prove" to me that is wrong because no one can "prove" how the universe was created. You also can't prove a conspiracy theory true hence it being a "theory". No there IS proof, but you are just too blind to see it. Forget about what the media tells you for a damn second. There's a reason it's labeled like it is, it discredits and puts down, making us look crazy instead of actually investigating our claims. There are people who had loved ones die on 9-11 that don't even buy the official story, are you gonna really tell me that they're crazy too? I am an engineer. I actually understand the math. I am not going by the media. I am going by what I learned in school. School's are government funded too......just sayin. Still though, math or not, are you gonna actually dare tell me that people who had loved ones DIE in this thing, are crazy too? Really? Further, can you think of ANY other building that fell at free fall speed just from fire damage from a plane? and just how many high rise buildings have had a direct hit from a fully fueled 757?...2, that i know of... and they both fell Fair enough, but what about the 3rd? What about Tower 7? Nothing hit that building, yet it fell at the same rate that the other two did! tower 7 fell like what, 6-7 hours after the north and south tower fell? how many people would be around the area by then? not to mention cameras and video, helicopters and what not? and no one heard any explosions or glass breaking? how many explosions would it have taken to bring down a 52 story building? That doesn't matter though, it still came down at the same rate, and the only damage that was done was fire damage. You're gonna tell me that's all it would take? Oh and on the explosions there are people that were actually there that had heard explosions coming from the main towers incidentally. What would you say to that? it don't matter? thats all you can say? gravity is what makes things fall, it is a constant, things don't fall any faster or slower... when the main towers fell, people were running for their lives, and not paying attention. the explosions they thought they heard was the concrete being pulverized into dust... Right, of course you're right and they just heard things uh huh....... |
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Well thats flawed logic. Lets pull a line from South Park. What if I said the world was created by a giant spaghetti monster. You can't "prove" to me that is wrong because no one can "prove" how the universe was created. You also can't prove a conspiracy theory true hence it being a "theory". No there IS proof, but you are just too blind to see it. Forget about what the media tells you for a damn second. There's a reason it's labeled like it is, it discredits and puts down, making us look crazy instead of actually investigating our claims. There are people who had loved ones die on 9-11 that don't even buy the official story, are you gonna really tell me that they're crazy too? I am an engineer. I actually understand the math. I am not going by the media. I am going by what I learned in school. School's are government funded too......just sayin. Still though, math or not, are you gonna actually dare tell me that people who had loved ones DIE in this thing, are crazy too? Really? Further, can you think of ANY other building that fell at free fall speed just from fire damage from a plane? http://www.debunking911.com/freefall.htm didnt fall at free fall. But again you will say its part of the conspiracy. Also you see she said "schools are government funded". See I was right. Math is part of the conspiracy. |
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Well thats flawed logic. Lets pull a line from South Park. What if I said the world was created by a giant spaghetti monster. You can't "prove" to me that is wrong because no one can "prove" how the universe was created. You also can't prove a conspiracy theory true hence it being a "theory". No there IS proof, but you are just too blind to see it. Forget about what the media tells you for a damn second. There's a reason it's labeled like it is, it discredits and puts down, making us look crazy instead of actually investigating our claims. There are people who had loved ones die on 9-11 that don't even buy the official story, are you gonna really tell me that they're crazy too? I am an engineer. I actually understand the math. I am not going by the media. I am going by what I learned in school. School's are government funded too......just sayin. Still though, math or not, are you gonna actually dare tell me that people who had loved ones DIE in this thing, are crazy too? Really? Further, can you think of ANY other building that fell at free fall speed just from fire damage from a plane? and just how many high rise buildings have had a direct hit from a fully fueled 757?...2, that i know of... and they both fell Fair enough, but what about the 3rd? What about Tower 7? Nothing hit that building, yet it fell at the same rate that the other two did! tower 7 fell like what, 6-7 hours after the north and south tower fell? how many people would be around the area by then? not to mention cameras and video, helicopters and what not? and no one heard any explosions or glass breaking? how many explosions would it have taken to bring down a 52 story building? That doesn't matter though, it still came down at the same rate, and the only damage that was done was fire damage. You're gonna tell me that's all it would take? Oh and on the explosions there are people that were actually there that had heard explosions coming from the main towers incidentally. What would you say to that? it don't matter? thats all you can say? gravity is what makes things fall, it is a constant, things don't fall any faster or slower... when the main towers fell, people were running for their lives, and not paying attention. the explosions they thought they heard was the concrete being pulverized into dust... Right, of course you're right and they just heard things uh huh....... i thought you wanted to know about building 7? you just skipped over my reply... |
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Well thats flawed logic. Lets pull a line from South Park. What if I said the world was created by a giant spaghetti monster. You can't "prove" to me that is wrong because no one can "prove" how the universe was created. You also can't prove a conspiracy theory true hence it being a "theory". No there IS proof, but you are just too blind to see it. Forget about what the media tells you for a damn second. There's a reason it's labeled like it is, it discredits and puts down, making us look crazy instead of actually investigating our claims. There are people who had loved ones die on 9-11 that don't even buy the official story, are you gonna really tell me that they're crazy too? I am an engineer. I actually understand the math. I am not going by the media. I am going by what I learned in school. School's are government funded too......just sayin. Still though, math or not, are you gonna actually dare tell me that people who had loved ones DIE in this thing, are crazy too? Really? Further, can you think of ANY other building that fell at free fall speed just from fire damage from a plane? and just how many high rise buildings have had a direct hit from a fully fueled 757?...2, that i know of... and they both fell Fair enough, but what about the 3rd? What about Tower 7? Nothing hit that building, yet it fell at the same rate that the other two did! tower 7 fell like what, 6-7 hours after the north and south tower fell? how many people would be around the area by then? not to mention cameras and video, helicopters and what not? and no one heard any explosions or glass breaking? how many explosions would it have taken to bring down a 52 story building? That doesn't matter though, it still came down at the same rate, and the only damage that was done was fire damage. You're gonna tell me that's all it would take? Oh and on the explosions there are people that were actually there that had heard explosions coming from the main towers incidentally. What would you say to that? it don't matter? thats all you can say? gravity is what makes things fall, it is a constant, things don't fall any faster or slower... when the main towers fell, people were running for their lives, and not paying attention. the explosions they thought they heard was the concrete being pulverized into dust... Right, of course you're right and they just heard things uh huh....... i thought you wanted to know about building 7? you just skipped over my reply... I will ask you again, have you ever seen a building, much less one that was never hit by anything at all, fall at the rate that it did, that was NOT imploded? And why was tower 7 not included in the official story for? |
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Well thats flawed logic. Lets pull a line from South Park. What if I said the world was created by a giant spaghetti monster. You can't "prove" to me that is wrong because no one can "prove" how the universe was created. You also can't prove a conspiracy theory true hence it being a "theory". No there IS proof, but you are just too blind to see it. Forget about what the media tells you for a damn second. There's a reason it's labeled like it is, it discredits and puts down, making us look crazy instead of actually investigating our claims. There are people who had loved ones die on 9-11 that don't even buy the official story, are you gonna really tell me that they're crazy too? I am an engineer. I actually understand the math. I am not going by the media. I am going by what I learned in school. School's are government funded too......just sayin. Still though, math or not, are you gonna actually dare tell me that people who had loved ones DIE in this thing, are crazy too? Really? Further, can you think of ANY other building that fell at free fall speed just from fire damage from a plane? and just how many high rise buildings have had a direct hit from a fully fueled 757?...2, that i know of... and they both fell Fair enough, but what about the 3rd? What about Tower 7? Nothing hit that building, yet it fell at the same rate that the other two did! tower 7 fell like what, 6-7 hours after the north and south tower fell? how many people would be around the area by then? not to mention cameras and video, helicopters and what not? and no one heard any explosions or glass breaking? how many explosions would it have taken to bring down a 52 story building? That doesn't matter though, it still came down at the same rate, and the only damage that was done was fire damage. You're gonna tell me that's all it would take? Oh and on the explosions there are people that were actually there that had heard explosions coming from the main towers incidentally. What would you say to that? it don't matter? thats all you can say? gravity is what makes things fall, it is a constant, things don't fall any faster or slower... when the main towers fell, people were running for their lives, and not paying attention. the explosions they thought they heard was the concrete being pulverized into dust... Right, of course you're right and they just heard things uh huh....... i thought you wanted to know about building 7? you just skipped over my reply... I will ask you again, have you ever seen a building, much less one that was never hit by anything at all, fall at the rate that it did, that was NOT imploded? And why was tower 7 not included in the official story for? Yes it was hit by a ton of crap from the other towers falling. Thats not nothing. |
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Well thats flawed logic. Lets pull a line from South Park. What if I said the world was created by a giant spaghetti monster. You can't "prove" to me that is wrong because no one can "prove" how the universe was created. You also can't prove a conspiracy theory true hence it being a "theory". No there IS proof, but you are just too blind to see it. Forget about what the media tells you for a damn second. There's a reason it's labeled like it is, it discredits and puts down, making us look crazy instead of actually investigating our claims. There are people who had loved ones die on 9-11 that don't even buy the official story, are you gonna really tell me that they're crazy too? I am an engineer. I actually understand the math. I am not going by the media. I am going by what I learned in school. School's are government funded too......just sayin. Still though, math or not, are you gonna actually dare tell me that people who had loved ones DIE in this thing, are crazy too? Really? Further, can you think of ANY other building that fell at free fall speed just from fire damage from a plane? and just how many high rise buildings have had a direct hit from a fully fueled 757?...2, that i know of... and they both fell Fair enough, but what about the 3rd? What about Tower 7? Nothing hit that building, yet it fell at the same rate that the other two did! tower 7 fell like what, 6-7 hours after the north and south tower fell? how many people would be around the area by then? not to mention cameras and video, helicopters and what not? and no one heard any explosions or glass breaking? how many explosions would it have taken to bring down a 52 story building? That doesn't matter though, it still came down at the same rate, and the only damage that was done was fire damage. You're gonna tell me that's all it would take? Oh and on the explosions there are people that were actually there that had heard explosions coming from the main towers incidentally. What would you say to that? The "explosions" people heard would be the floors slamming into the floor below. Once the collapse started, the little structure that was there would not slow it down. So, the floor above wasn't slowly dropping onto the floor below. It was driven down into it at the velocity of the millions of tons of material falling on it. Take a quarter inch metal plate and drop it flat onto concrete. Tell me that doesn't sound like an explosion. Especially to people that don't hear explosions. They said it sounded like one because that has been what they imagined an explosion to sound like. Not because thy have heard them before... I already explained earlier. All buildings are like 80% air. Once a collapse starts, it will not stop or slow down. That is what the demolitions experts use. Buildings want to collapse. Gravity works in their favor. All buildings will collapse from fire alone if left unattended. Name one building that remained intact and upright where the fire was left unchecked. |
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Well thats flawed logic. Lets pull a line from South Park. What if I said the world was created by a giant spaghetti monster. You can't "prove" to me that is wrong because no one can "prove" how the universe was created. You also can't prove a conspiracy theory true hence it being a "theory". No there IS proof, but you are just too blind to see it. Forget about what the media tells you for a damn second. There's a reason it's labeled like it is, it discredits and puts down, making us look crazy instead of actually investigating our claims. There are people who had loved ones die on 9-11 that don't even buy the official story, are you gonna really tell me that they're crazy too? I am an engineer. I actually understand the math. I am not going by the media. I am going by what I learned in school. School's are government funded too......just sayin. Still though, math or not, are you gonna actually dare tell me that people who had loved ones DIE in this thing, are crazy too? Really? Further, can you think of ANY other building that fell at free fall speed just from fire damage from a plane? and just how many high rise buildings have had a direct hit from a fully fueled 757?...2, that i know of... and they both fell Fair enough, but what about the 3rd? What about Tower 7? Nothing hit that building, yet it fell at the same rate that the other two did! tower 7 fell like what, 6-7 hours after the north and south tower fell? how many people would be around the area by then? not to mention cameras and video, helicopters and what not? and no one heard any explosions or glass breaking? how many explosions would it have taken to bring down a 52 story building? That doesn't matter though, it still came down at the same rate, and the only damage that was done was fire damage. You're gonna tell me that's all it would take? Oh and on the explosions there are people that were actually there that had heard explosions coming from the main towers incidentally. What would you say to that? The "explosions" people heard would be the floors slamming into the floor below. Once the collapse started, the little structure that was there would not slow it down. So, the floor above wasn't slowly dropping onto the floor below. It was driven down into it at the velocity of the millions of tons of material falling on it. Take a quarter inch metal plate and drop it flat onto concrete. Tell me that doesn't sound like an explosion. Especially to people that don't hear explosions. They said it sounded like one because that has been what they imagined an explosion to sound like. Not because thy have heard them before... I already explained earlier. All buildings are like 80% air. Once a collapse starts, it will not stop or slow down. That is what the demolitions experts use. Buildings want to collapse. Gravity works in their favor. All buildings will collapse from fire alone if left unattended. Name one building that remained intact and upright where the fire was left unchecked. All buildings will collapse if unattended, but like THAT? Give me a damn break. |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afb7eUHr64U&feature=player_embedded#at=104
video of tower 7 and its dmg before it fell. At 1minute 33 seconds someone says something like. Hey look at the whole in that building. It might come down. |
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The "explosions" people heard would be the floors slamming into the floor below. Once the collapse started, the little structure that was there would not slow it down. So, the floor above wasn't slowly dropping onto the floor below. It was driven down into it at the velocity of the millions of tons of material falling on it. Take a quarter inch metal plate and drop it flat onto concrete. Tell me that doesn't sound like an explosion. Especially to people that don't hear explosions. They said it sounded like one because that has been what they imagined an explosion to sound like. Not because thy have heard them before... I already explained earlier. All buildings are like 80% air. Once a collapse starts, it will not stop or slow down. That is what the demolitions experts use. Buildings want to collapse. Gravity works in their favor. All buildings will collapse from fire alone if left unattended. Name one building that remained intact and upright where the fire was left unchecked. All buildings will collapse if unattended, but like THAT? Give me a damn break. Once again - physics - gravity doesn't change because the building failed for a different reason. Oh, you said there were a lot of workers that were coming in, why couldn't they have attached explosives then? Well, have you watched a demolition show? Do you know how much time and effort goes into making sure the explosives will work correctly? They would have removed all the material around the supporting beams and sometimes even cut into the beams. The main supporting structure was the external walls. Where the offices were. So, some guy, comes in, rips open the wall and attaches explosives where pretty much anyone could see it and no one notices??? Okay then... |
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The "explosions" people heard would be the floors slamming into the floor below. Once the collapse started, the little structure that was there would not slow it down. So, the floor above wasn't slowly dropping onto the floor below. It was driven down into it at the velocity of the millions of tons of material falling on it. Take a quarter inch metal plate and drop it flat onto concrete. Tell me that doesn't sound like an explosion. Especially to people that don't hear explosions. They said it sounded like one because that has been what they imagined an explosion to sound like. Not because thy have heard them before... I already explained earlier. All buildings are like 80% air. Once a collapse starts, it will not stop or slow down. That is what the demolitions experts use. Buildings want to collapse. Gravity works in their favor. All buildings will collapse from fire alone if left unattended. Name one building that remained intact and upright where the fire was left unchecked. All buildings will collapse if unattended, but like THAT? Give me a damn break. Once again - physics - gravity doesn't change because the building failed for a different reason. Oh, you said there were a lot of workers that were coming in, why couldn't they have attached explosives then? Well, have you watched a demolition show? Do you know how much time and effort goes into making sure the explosives will work correctly? They would have removed all the material around the supporting beams and sometimes even cut into the beams. The main supporting structure was the external walls. Where the offices were. So, some guy, comes in, rips open the wall and attaches explosives where pretty much anyone could see it and no one notices??? Okay then... You don't get it, you really don't. |
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I need a break from here, the ignorance is mind numbing, truly. I can't handle this right now.
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I need a break from here, the ignorance is mind numbing, truly. I can't handle this right now. Ignorance of what??? You are making claims that there is an international conspiracy that involves thousands of people and saying you can't see how the buildings could have collapsed the way they did without help. We are just responding to these claims and stating what has been proven or is part of a law of physics. Still don't know what I am supposedly ignorant about. Still waiting for something that supports your claims. Anything. If you find something, I am willing to listen. So far all I have heard has been feeling statements. I know what I know. You telling me I should doubt what I know because some shadowy figure says I should ... Sorry, but the laws of physics aren't subject to personal feelings. They won't change because you wish them to. The fact that building 7 fell at the same rate only exemplifies physics is constant and unchanging. |
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I need a break from here, the ignorance is mind numbing, truly. I can't handle this right now. Ignorance of what??? You are making claims that there is an international conspiracy that involves thousands of people and saying you can't see how the buildings could have collapsed the way they did without help. We are just responding to these claims and stating what has been proven or is part of a law of physics. Still don't know what I am supposedly ignorant about. Still waiting for something that supports your claims. Anything. If you find something, I am willing to listen. So far all I have heard has been feeling statements. I know what I know. You telling me I should doubt what I know because some shadowy figure says I should ... Sorry, but the laws of physics aren't subject to personal feelings. They won't change because you wish them to. The truth isn't either, and no matter how much you think you have it, you don't. That's all I'll say. |
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I need a break from here, the ignorance is mind numbing, truly. I can't handle this right now. Ignorance of what??? You are making claims that there is an international conspiracy that involves thousands of people and saying you can't see how the buildings could have collapsed the way they did without help. We are just responding to these claims and stating what has been proven or is part of a law of physics. Still don't know what I am supposedly ignorant about. Still waiting for something that supports your claims. Anything. If you find something, I am willing to listen. So far all I have heard has been feeling statements. I know what I know. You telling me I should doubt what I know because some shadowy figure says I should ... Sorry, but the laws of physics aren't subject to personal feelings. They won't change because you wish them to. The truth isn't either, and no matter how much you think you have it, you don't. That's all I'll say. Like I said, still waiting for something that supports your claims. If you have the truth, you will be able to prove it. Truth is like the laws of physics. Lies cannot hide it forever. so, show my why what you are saying is true. Prove what you are saying is true. There is a lot of evidence to show that the official version is the truth. so far, all I have heard from you is some shadowy figure says he alone knows the truth. And that truth being, everyone that has been involved in the official story of 9-11 is in on the conspiracy. |
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So you say prove you wrong and when we do you just ignore it or dismiss it. Then you just say prove me wrong again.
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It is pointless to argue with conspiracy theorists. They are the enlightened ones that have all the "researched" information and the rest of us are just useful idiots that buy the governments obvious lies. I am certain that if those of us that don't buy this story would just open our minds and look at the facts we would have to realize that the military was involved in all of the acts that were supposedly carried out by islamic radicals. Its not like there is a well documented history of islamic radicals committing acts of terrorism since the 1960's. It has to be an Operation Northwoods style of constant and intensifying degrees of terrorism. The military had been building up to 9-11. All this so we could invade Afghanistan and put in a pipeline with the ultimate goal of toppling Saddam and stealing Iraqs oil.. As you can see it has worked to perfection. Our total control of the 4th largest oil producer has led to drastic drop in oil and gasoline prices.. Could we have ever asked for a more perfect set of results? If you think they actually wanna bring oil and gas prices down........well you're just not thinking straight. Money is the name of the game. But I don't expect you to understand this, because you've made it clear that you are incapable of seeing such a reality. It's as pointless to argue with the likes of you, as you say it is for you to argue with the likes of me. haha.. You aren't debating anything. You posted an article and expect everyone to agree that no matter how ridiculous the claim we must all accept it because Alex Jones says so. I listen to Alex Jones. I have watched almost all of his videos. I know how the mind of the conspiracy theorist works. You stick to the core idea that something happened and that the official version isn't true. It doesn't matter that you have no real proof that the official version is a lie. You make claims and they are refuted and then you just make another claim. It is a never ending saga. The arguments made in the article you post are absurd. It baffles me that people take the word of one man and act as if they are the only one that matters simply because he is saying what you want to hear. These conspiracies have to include a massive amount of people. This isn't something that 3 or 4 dudes could pull off all by themselves. And this is your best evidence? Haha.. |
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just the first paragraph shows that the article is a lie..."Top US government insider Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, a man who held numerous different influential positions under three different Presidents and still works with the Defense Department, shockingly told The Alex Jones Show yesterday that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001 and that he was prepared to testify in front of a grand jury how a top general told him directly that 9/11 was a false flag inside job." someone told him... that is never admissible in court, it is called hearsay evidence, meaning he has NO firsthand knowledge of anything... now if he could get the general to testify, that is a different story, but this is just more nonsense.... Spoken like someone whose mind is totally closed. There's almost no point debating with you really. Because you won't see anything but what you wanna see. I could give you all the evidence in the world for why 9-11 was an inside job, but you wouldn't believe me. And it wasn't just "someone", it was a top general. Big difference. And you're not one who doesn't see anything but what you want to see? It seems as though you have one specific point of view and aren't open to what others see either. That's where you're wrong. IF one could prove me wrong, I'd be more than open to hear of it, but one can't. Reason being, what those on the other side see as proof defies logic and good sense. We have replaced thinking for ourselves, with allowing the government and media to do our your thinking for us. The facts are what they are, it's not my fault others can't see them. And that's where your issue is as well. You haven't proved anyone else wrong either. You can argue for your conspiracy theory all you want, but that doesn't make it fact. |
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I am an engineer. I actually understand the math. I am not going by the media. I am going by what I learned in school. I know all about engineers who sit at their desks and draw up plans and then expect their plans to work on ground level. When, in fact, very many times over they don't know because they have never worked on ground floor. You talk to Electricians, Plumber/Pipefitters, Millrights...most of them say the same thing... "I wish the Engineer that drew this up would come and try and put it together!" 
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I am an engineer. I actually understand the math. I am not going by the media. I am going by what I learned in school. I know all about engineers who sit at their desks and draw up plans and then expect their plans to work on ground level. When, in fact, very many times over they don't know because they have never worked on ground floor. You talk to Electricians, Plumber/Pipefitters, Millrights...most of them say the same thing... "I wish the Engineer that drew this up would come and try and put it together!"
See what I am saying. They ask for proof then when you mention the things needed to prove it (in this case physics and engineering) they make wild accusations about the only people that have the knowledge to prove this stuff. |
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just the first paragraph shows that the article is a lie..."Top US government insider Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, a man who held numerous different influential positions under three different Presidents and still works with the Defense Department, shockingly told The Alex Jones Show yesterday that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001 and that he was prepared to testify in front of a grand jury how a top general told him directly that 9/11 was a false flag inside job." someone told him... that is never admissible in court, it is called hearsay evidence, meaning he has NO firsthand knowledge of anything... now if he could get the general to testify, that is a different story, but this is just more nonsense.... Spoken like someone whose mind is totally closed. There's almost no point debating with you really. Because you won't see anything but what you wanna see. I could give you all the evidence in the world for why 9-11 was an inside job, but you wouldn't believe me. And it wasn't just "someone", it was a top general. Big difference. Question, so all those years that Al Quida proclaimed him to be alive, were they in on the conspiracy as well??? Not to mention all the video and audio recordings that he has released talking about current world events, including the election of Obama(which were ALL veryifed and proven to be Bin Laden by EVERY country). |
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