Topic: Top Government official: Bin Laden died in 01, 9-11 staged
msharmony's photo
Thu 05/05/11 02:08 AM


vigilante justice...



I don't think it was vigilante justice. I think it was government sanctioned. At least that is what the said on they news... "they had orders to kill him."



I know, just trying to take government out of it. :tongue:



CAPTURE or kill

we will never know if he was willing to be captured

but I doubt he would have used a shield if he was going to go peacefully

bottom line is we will never know,,,,but he died as he lived, giving a life for a life

mylifetoday's photo
Thu 05/05/11 02:16 AM



vigilante justice...



I don't think it was vigilante justice. I think it was government sanctioned. At least that is what the said on they news... "they had orders to kill him."



I know, just trying to take government out of it. :tongue:



CAPTURE or kill

we will never know if he was willing to be captured

but I doubt he would have used a shield if he was going to go peacefully

bottom line is we will never know,,,,but he died as he lived, giving a life for a life


I like the way you think. flowerforyou

msharmony's photo
Thu 05/05/11 02:19 AM
flowerforyou

Chazster's photo
Thu 05/05/11 07:32 AM
Wow our government fooled all those other governments into thinking he was alive too? Or was this a worldwide conspiracy? whoa

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Thu 05/05/11 07:37 AM


just the first paragraph shows that the article is a lie..."Top US government insider Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, a man who held numerous different influential positions under three different Presidents and still works with the Defense Department, shockingly told The Alex Jones Show yesterday that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001 and that he was prepared to testify in front of a grand jury how a top general told him directly that 9/11 was a false flag inside job."

someone told him... that is never admissible in court, it is called hearsay evidence, meaning he has NO firsthand knowledge of anything... now if he could get the general to testify, that is a different story, but this is just more nonsense....


Spoken like someone whose mind is totally closed. There's almost no point debating with you really. Because you won't see anything but what you wanna see. I could give you all the evidence in the world for why 9-11 was an inside job, but you wouldn't believe me.

And it wasn't just "someone", it was a top general. Big difference.


And you're not one who doesn't see anything but what you want to see? It seems as though you have one specific point of view and aren't open to what others see either.

InvictusV's photo
Thu 05/05/11 08:44 AM
It is pointless to argue with conspiracy theorists.

They are the enlightened ones that have all the "researched" information and the rest of us are just useful idiots that buy the governments obvious lies.

I am certain that if those of us that don't buy this story would just open our minds and look at the facts we would have to realize that the military was involved in all of the acts that were supposedly carried out by islamic radicals.

Its not like there is a well documented history of islamic radicals committing acts of terrorism since the 1960's. It has to be an Operation Northwoods style of constant and intensifying degrees of terrorism. The military had been building up to 9-11.

All this so we could invade Afghanistan and put in a pipeline with the ultimate goal of toppling Saddam and stealing Iraqs oil..

As you can see it has worked to perfection. Our total control of the 4th largest oil producer has led to drastic drop in oil and gasoline prices..

Could we have ever asked for a more perfect set of results?

metalwing's photo
Thu 05/05/11 08:49 AM
I bet the "top general" was really an alien!

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Thu 05/05/11 08:53 AM
I would have thought tha a "top Government official" would rate a few references on the web.

http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=Steve+R.+Pieczenik&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

The guy must have been undercover.

Kleisto's photo
Thu 05/05/11 03:29 PM

It is pointless to argue with conspiracy theorists.

They are the enlightened ones that have all the "researched" information and the rest of us are just useful idiots that buy the governments obvious lies.

I am certain that if those of us that don't buy this story would just open our minds and look at the facts we would have to realize that the military was involved in all of the acts that were supposedly carried out by islamic radicals.

Its not like there is a well documented history of islamic radicals committing acts of terrorism since the 1960's. It has to be an Operation Northwoods style of constant and intensifying degrees of terrorism. The military had been building up to 9-11.

All this so we could invade Afghanistan and put in a pipeline with the ultimate goal of toppling Saddam and stealing Iraqs oil..

As you can see it has worked to perfection. Our total control of the 4th largest oil producer has led to drastic drop in oil and gasoline prices..

Could we have ever asked for a more perfect set of results?


If you think they actually wanna bring oil and gas prices down........well you're just not thinking straight. Money is the name of the game.

But I don't expect you to understand this, because you've made it clear that you are incapable of seeing such a reality. It's as pointless to argue with the likes of you, as you say it is for you to argue with the likes of me.

Kleisto's photo
Thu 05/05/11 03:30 PM
Edited by Kleisto on Thu 05/05/11 03:36 PM



just the first paragraph shows that the article is a lie..."Top US government insider Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, a man who held numerous different influential positions under three different Presidents and still works with the Defense Department, shockingly told The Alex Jones Show yesterday that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001 and that he was prepared to testify in front of a grand jury how a top general told him directly that 9/11 was a false flag inside job."

someone told him... that is never admissible in court, it is called hearsay evidence, meaning he has NO firsthand knowledge of anything... now if he could get the general to testify, that is a different story, but this is just more nonsense....


Spoken like someone whose mind is totally closed. There's almost no point debating with you really. Because you won't see anything but what you wanna see. I could give you all the evidence in the world for why 9-11 was an inside job, but you wouldn't believe me.

And it wasn't just "someone", it was a top general. Big difference.


And you're not one who doesn't see anything but what you want to see? It seems as though you have one specific point of view and aren't open to what others see either.


That's where you're wrong. IF one could prove me wrong, I'd be more than open to hear of it, but one can't. Reason being, what those on the other side see as proof defies logic and good sense. We have replaced thinking for ourselves, with allowing the government and media to do our your thinking for us.

The facts are what they are, it's not my fault others can't see them.


mightymoe's photo
Thu 05/05/11 03:37 PM


It is pointless to argue with conspiracy theorists.

They are the enlightened ones that have all the "researched" information and the rest of us are just useful idiots that buy the governments obvious lies.

I am certain that if those of us that don't buy this story would just open our minds and look at the facts we would have to realize that the military was involved in all of the acts that were supposedly carried out by islamic radicals.

Its not like there is a well documented history of islamic radicals committing acts of terrorism since the 1960's. It has to be an Operation Northwoods style of constant and intensifying degrees of terrorism. The military had been building up to 9-11.

All this so we could invade Afghanistan and put in a pipeline with the ultimate goal of toppling Saddam and stealing Iraqs oil..

As you can see it has worked to perfection. Our total control of the 4th largest oil producer has led to drastic drop in oil and gasoline prices..

Could we have ever asked for a more perfect set of results?


If you think they actually wanna bring oil and gas prices down........well you're just not thinking straight. Money is the name of the game.

But I don't expect you to understand this, because you've made it clear that you are incapable of seeing such a reality. It's as pointless to argue with the likes of you, as you say it is for you to argue with the likes of me.


oil prices dropped today, biggest drop since 2009, to under 100 dollars a barrel...

Chazster's photo
Thu 05/05/11 03:39 PM




just the first paragraph shows that the article is a lie..."Top US government insider Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, a man who held numerous different influential positions under three different Presidents and still works with the Defense Department, shockingly told The Alex Jones Show yesterday that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001 and that he was prepared to testify in front of a grand jury how a top general told him directly that 9/11 was a false flag inside job."

someone told him... that is never admissible in court, it is called hearsay evidence, meaning he has NO firsthand knowledge of anything... now if he could get the general to testify, that is a different story, but this is just more nonsense....


Spoken like someone whose mind is totally closed. There's almost no point debating with you really. Because you won't see anything but what you wanna see. I could give you all the evidence in the world for why 9-11 was an inside job, but you wouldn't believe me.

And it wasn't just "someone", it was a top general. Big difference.


And you're not one who doesn't see anything but what you want to see? It seems as though you have one specific point of view and aren't open to what others see either.


That's where you're wrong. IF one could prove me wrong, I'd be more than open to hear of it, but one can't. Reason being, what those on the other side see as proof defies logic and good sense. We have replaced thinking for yourself, with allowing the government and media to our your thinking for us.

The facts are what they are, it's not my fault others can't see them.


Well thats flawed logic. Lets pull a line from South Park. What if I said the world was created by a giant spaghetti monster. You can't "prove" to me that is wrong because no one can "prove" how the universe was created. You also can't prove a conspiracy theory true hence it being a "theory".

You are arguing that someone said he was dead and said it was a conspiracy. That is not proof of facts.

mightymoe's photo
Thu 05/05/11 03:41 PM




just the first paragraph shows that the article is a lie..."Top US government insider Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, a man who held numerous different influential positions under three different Presidents and still works with the Defense Department, shockingly told The Alex Jones Show yesterday that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001 and that he was prepared to testify in front of a grand jury how a top general told him directly that 9/11 was a false flag inside job."

someone told him... that is never admissible in court, it is called hearsay evidence, meaning he has NO firsthand knowledge of anything... now if he could get the general to testify, that is a different story, but this is just more nonsense....


Spoken like someone whose mind is totally closed. There's almost no point debating with you really. Because you won't see anything but what you wanna see. I could give you all the evidence in the world for why 9-11 was an inside job, but you wouldn't believe me.

And it wasn't just "someone", it was a top general. Big difference.


And you're not one who doesn't see anything but what you want to see? It seems as though you have one specific point of view and aren't open to what others see either.


That's where you're wrong. IF one could prove me wrong, I'd be more than open to hear of it, but one can't. Reason being, what those on the other side see as proof defies logic and good sense. We have replaced thinking for ourselves, with allowing the government and media to do our your thinking for us.

The facts are what they are, it's not my fault others can't see them.


so if i can show you some proof that those buildings fell on their own, with pictures and explanations, would you be will to be open to it?

Chazster's photo
Thu 05/05/11 03:49 PM





just the first paragraph shows that the article is a lie..."Top US government insider Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, a man who held numerous different influential positions under three different Presidents and still works with the Defense Department, shockingly told The Alex Jones Show yesterday that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001 and that he was prepared to testify in front of a grand jury how a top general told him directly that 9/11 was a false flag inside job."

someone told him... that is never admissible in court, it is called hearsay evidence, meaning he has NO firsthand knowledge of anything... now if he could get the general to testify, that is a different story, but this is just more nonsense....


Spoken like someone whose mind is totally closed. There's almost no point debating with you really. Because you won't see anything but what you wanna see. I could give you all the evidence in the world for why 9-11 was an inside job, but you wouldn't believe me.

And it wasn't just "someone", it was a top general. Big difference.


And you're not one who doesn't see anything but what you want to see? It seems as though you have one specific point of view and aren't open to what others see either.


That's where you're wrong. IF one could prove me wrong, I'd be more than open to hear of it, but one can't. Reason being, what those on the other side see as proof defies logic and good sense. We have replaced thinking for ourselves, with allowing the government and media to do our your thinking for us.

The facts are what they are, it's not my fault others can't see them.


so if i can show you some proof that those buildings fell on their own, with pictures and explanations, would you be will to be open to it?


Of course not because all "proof" is automatically part of the conspiracy. You show them the math as far as engineering and physics goes and then they say that math and physics were invented by the conspiracists hundreds of years in advance so that they could prove their innocence.

mightymoe's photo
Thu 05/05/11 04:03 PM






just the first paragraph shows that the article is a lie..."Top US government insider Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, a man who held numerous different influential positions under three different Presidents and still works with the Defense Department, shockingly told The Alex Jones Show yesterday that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001 and that he was prepared to testify in front of a grand jury how a top general told him directly that 9/11 was a false flag inside job."

someone told him... that is never admissible in court, it is called hearsay evidence, meaning he has NO firsthand knowledge of anything... now if he could get the general to testify, that is a different story, but this is just more nonsense....


Spoken like someone whose mind is totally closed. There's almost no point debating with you really. Because you won't see anything but what you wanna see. I could give you all the evidence in the world for why 9-11 was an inside job, but you wouldn't believe me.

And it wasn't just "someone", it was a top general. Big difference.


And you're not one who doesn't see anything but what you want to see? It seems as though you have one specific point of view and aren't open to what others see either.


That's where you're wrong. IF one could prove me wrong, I'd be more than open to hear of it, but one can't. Reason being, what those on the other side see as proof defies logic and good sense. We have replaced thinking for ourselves, with allowing the government and media to do our your thinking for us.

The facts are what they are, it's not my fault others can't see them.


so if i can show you some proof that those buildings fell on their own, with pictures and explanations, would you be will to be open to it?


Of course not because all "proof" is automatically part of the conspiracy. You show them the math as far as engineering and physics goes and then they say that math and physics were invented by the conspiracists hundreds of years in advance so that they could prove their innocence.


lol, i was thinking something along those lines...but this website explains a lot of what happened, along with pictures showing the heat induced buckling of the walls before they fell...and one even showing a UFO that says it is about an hour before the airplane hit... but no missles, or planes that were missles, or whatever they are saying now...

Kleisto's photo
Thu 05/05/11 04:26 PM
Edited by Kleisto on Thu 05/05/11 04:27 PM





just the first paragraph shows that the article is a lie..."Top US government insider Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, a man who held numerous different influential positions under three different Presidents and still works with the Defense Department, shockingly told The Alex Jones Show yesterday that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001 and that he was prepared to testify in front of a grand jury how a top general told him directly that 9/11 was a false flag inside job."

someone told him... that is never admissible in court, it is called hearsay evidence, meaning he has NO firsthand knowledge of anything... now if he could get the general to testify, that is a different story, but this is just more nonsense....


Spoken like someone whose mind is totally closed. There's almost no point debating with you really. Because you won't see anything but what you wanna see. I could give you all the evidence in the world for why 9-11 was an inside job, but you wouldn't believe me.

And it wasn't just "someone", it was a top general. Big difference.


And you're not one who doesn't see anything but what you want to see? It seems as though you have one specific point of view and aren't open to what others see either.


That's where you're wrong. IF one could prove me wrong, I'd be more than open to hear of it, but one can't. Reason being, what those on the other side see as proof defies logic and good sense. We have replaced thinking for yourself, with allowing the government and media to our your thinking for us.

The facts are what they are, it's not my fault others can't see them.


Well thats flawed logic. Lets pull a line from South Park. What if I said the world was created by a giant spaghetti monster. You can't "prove" to me that is wrong because no one can "prove" how the universe was created. You also can't prove a conspiracy theory true hence it being a "theory".


No there IS proof, but you are just too blind to see it. Forget about what the media tells you for a damn second.

There's a reason it's labeled like it is, it discredits and puts down, making us look crazy instead of actually investigating our claims.

There are people who had loved ones die on 9-11 that don't even buy the official story, are you gonna really tell me that they're crazy too?

Kleisto's photo
Thu 05/05/11 04:28 PM



It is pointless to argue with conspiracy theorists.

They are the enlightened ones that have all the "researched" information and the rest of us are just useful idiots that buy the governments obvious lies.

I am certain that if those of us that don't buy this story would just open our minds and look at the facts we would have to realize that the military was involved in all of the acts that were supposedly carried out by islamic radicals.

Its not like there is a well documented history of islamic radicals committing acts of terrorism since the 1960's. It has to be an Operation Northwoods style of constant and intensifying degrees of terrorism. The military had been building up to 9-11.

All this so we could invade Afghanistan and put in a pipeline with the ultimate goal of toppling Saddam and stealing Iraqs oil..

As you can see it has worked to perfection. Our total control of the 4th largest oil producer has led to drastic drop in oil and gasoline prices..

Could we have ever asked for a more perfect set of results?


If you think they actually wanna bring oil and gas prices down........well you're just not thinking straight. Money is the name of the game.

But I don't expect you to understand this, because you've made it clear that you are incapable of seeing such a reality. It's as pointless to argue with the likes of you, as you say it is for you to argue with the likes of me.


oil prices dropped today, biggest drop since 2009, to under 100 dollars a barrel...


Yet gas prices are going up more by the day. Do you really truly think they give a **** about you? You're sadly mistaken if you do. Money runs the world, plain and simple.

mightymoe's photo
Thu 05/05/11 04:36 PM




It is pointless to argue with conspiracy theorists.

They are the enlightened ones that have all the "researched" information and the rest of us are just useful idiots that buy the governments obvious lies.

I am certain that if those of us that don't buy this story would just open our minds and look at the facts we would have to realize that the military was involved in all of the acts that were supposedly carried out by islamic radicals.

Its not like there is a well documented history of islamic radicals committing acts of terrorism since the 1960's. It has to be an Operation Northwoods style of constant and intensifying degrees of terrorism. The military had been building up to 9-11.

All this so we could invade Afghanistan and put in a pipeline with the ultimate goal of toppling Saddam and stealing Iraqs oil..

As you can see it has worked to perfection. Our total control of the 4th largest oil producer has led to drastic drop in oil and gasoline prices..

Could we have ever asked for a more perfect set of results?


If you think they actually wanna bring oil and gas prices down........well you're just not thinking straight. Money is the name of the game.

But I don't expect you to understand this, because you've made it clear that you are incapable of seeing such a reality. It's as pointless to argue with the likes of you, as you say it is for you to argue with the likes of me.


oil prices dropped today, biggest drop since 2009, to under 100 dollars a barrel...


Yet gas prices are going up more by the day. Do you really truly think they give a **** about you? You're sadly mistaken if you do. Money runs the world, plain and simple.

sounds like you have it all figured out...

Kleisto's photo
Thu 05/05/11 04:37 PM





It is pointless to argue with conspiracy theorists.

They are the enlightened ones that have all the "researched" information and the rest of us are just useful idiots that buy the governments obvious lies.

I am certain that if those of us that don't buy this story would just open our minds and look at the facts we would have to realize that the military was involved in all of the acts that were supposedly carried out by islamic radicals.

Its not like there is a well documented history of islamic radicals committing acts of terrorism since the 1960's. It has to be an Operation Northwoods style of constant and intensifying degrees of terrorism. The military had been building up to 9-11.

All this so we could invade Afghanistan and put in a pipeline with the ultimate goal of toppling Saddam and stealing Iraqs oil..

As you can see it has worked to perfection. Our total control of the 4th largest oil producer has led to drastic drop in oil and gasoline prices..

Could we have ever asked for a more perfect set of results?


If you think they actually wanna bring oil and gas prices down........well you're just not thinking straight. Money is the name of the game.

But I don't expect you to understand this, because you've made it clear that you are incapable of seeing such a reality. It's as pointless to argue with the likes of you, as you say it is for you to argue with the likes of me.


oil prices dropped today, biggest drop since 2009, to under 100 dollars a barrel...


Yet gas prices are going up more by the day. Do you really truly think they give a **** about you? You're sadly mistaken if you do. Money runs the world, plain and simple.

sounds like you have it all figured out...


Yes I do believe I do. Prove me wrong.

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Thu 05/05/11 04:38 PM
Edited by winterblue56 on Thu 05/05/11 05:04 PM


laugh laugh

They (conspiracy theorists) can find a conspiracy in a bowel movement...lol It gets so crazy.


And the continued ignorance of others like you gets me as crazy. You are the people that allow this crap to continue. Because as one George Carlin would say: "You keep taking the big red, white and blue dick up your butt without question".




No point in getting upset...people have their own opinions about stuff. I think the difference with you and me is that we research. We are not led around with blindfolders on. Like I said in a different post....we have been lied to since Nam and the government wants people to think if you disagree with "government" you are a nut case. People seem to think their American Dream is a bust when bad talk about government arrises. That's not true tho...it just makes one work harder for what is right, true and Godfearing.

And what about the actual gunfight...isn't it just too ironic...they didn't hear no helicopters in the air...what? there were not guards on duty?? ....so none of them couldn't get to their guns. Yea...ok...let me think about that for a min....Negative.

Second point....Not one person in that town believed he lived there....it was an ARMY barracks for goodness sake. "Our government would not have allowed that." Fact of matter is...he was not there.

Fact is....BinLadin made a deal with our government to take claim for the Twin Towers. Go back to Iran/Iraq...Sadham would not sit at UN and bargin...remember? We asked him to back off, leave the oil alone, leave the people alone. He wouldn't. We went for him. He slipped out of our hands <yea, right>. We needed a reason to go back there to get him; and when the "Mass Weapons" fell through we used the BinLadin theory.

People....think for yourselves. Research for yourselves. There is a wealth of knowledge in libraries and on this Internet.