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gulf of tonkin or not, we would have been in that war no matter what... why do you think we nuked japan instead of Germany? I love how you can blindly defend things where many many INNOCENT people die because of it. Do you not understand this? War kills so many people who did nothing wrong except be in the wrong place at the wrong time. I don't care which side it is doing the killing. Is this the sign of great nations, or people with power trips? And regardless, if one is gonna lie once, they WILL do it again. Well, let's see. The VAST MAJORITY of people accept what has always been said. If you want to fight that, you need to demonstrate proof that it was a conspiracy. Why don't you want to try to demonstrate your proof of it? why do you insist others prove it happened? |
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But obviously a liberal would think anybody who disagrees with thier circular arguments is ignorant... I got my BA in 2005, and when I did I graduated from the liberal redundacy and moved onto radical thought processes. Not enough. I am not a liberal, I am not a conservative, I am simply a truth seeker. Labels do not apply to me. 
And you call others ignorant! You do realize you have no - zero - concrete evidence of any kind to support anything you are saying. Don't you???? You have "This guy said that guy over there told me that these other people did this." How far removed do you have to get from the source information before you can't rely on it??? Ever do the telephone test in school. Pass a phrase down a line of people to see how much it changes at the end... Of course, that is going on the assumption that he heard it in the first place and didn't just fabricate it now. Why now anyway? Why not when everyone was crying foul right after? Just a coincidence that Osama just died and now - oh yeah - and I have proof he wasn't involved in 9-11 because - well - I said so... 
And what makes you think the media is gonna tell you all the truth either? Are you that closed minded that you can't see that perhaps they have agendas of their own? I would LOVE to see your "proof" the Gulf of Tonkin was a lie. Here, from the mouth of Mcnamera himself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AaGVAipGp0 |
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My question is this. Is it really okay to assassinate unarmed people? They must think it is because they are bragging about it. They have absolute power. This is one case where I wouldn't worry about the criminal being unarmed. |
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Edited by
Kleisto
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I love how you can blindly defend things where many many INNOCENT people die because of it. Do you not understand this? War kills so many people who did nothing wrong except be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Is this the sign of great nations, or people with power trips? And regardless, if one is gonna lie once, they WILL do it again. what is innocent? everyone is going to die, just a matter of when... and you talk like this is a recent thing... All through history, people have died unjustly, and it's not going to stop because we don't like it. Is it fair when a male lion kills the mothers cubs, just because they are not his? there is no such thing as fair or innocent, it is just life. maybe those people wouldn't have died then if japan choose not to attack pearl harbor, it is just a matter of bad choices being made. But is it at all fair or just to kill people who had nothing to do with anything going on? You sure didn't like it when people here died on 9-11.......what makes the difference? |
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My question is this. Is it really okay to assassinate unarmed people? They must think it is because they are bragging about it. They have absolute power. could you be a little more specific please. Who are the "unarmed people?" Who is "They?" Not being facetious or anything. I really have no way to respond to this because I don't know what you're talking about... |
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My question is this. Is it really okay to assassinate unarmed people? They must think it is because they are bragging about it. They have absolute power. This is one case where I wouldn't worry about the criminal being unarmed. Osama's war was primarily against Israel. It became a war against Americans only because Americans support Israel. He was a soldier in a war that has been going on for many generations. He was a "suspect" and he was unarmed and he was in his home. He was gunned down. I don't care what you think he did, that is not a pretty picture. It was an assassination. I also don't believe he was responsible for 9-11. I also know that he had been trained by the CIA (in terrorists tactics) to fight the Russians. He was a creation of the CIA. |
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My question is this. Is it really okay to assassinate unarmed people? They must think it is because they are bragging about it. They have absolute power. could you be a little more specific please. Who are the "unarmed people?" Who is "They?" Not being facetious or anything. I really have no way to respond to this because I don't know what you're talking about... I am referring to the assassination of Bin Laden. "They" are THE COMPANY. |
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just the first paragraph shows that the article is a lie..."Top US government insider Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, a man who held numerous different influential positions under three different Presidents and still works with the Defense Department, shockingly told The Alex Jones Show yesterday that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001 and that he was prepared to testify in front of a grand jury how a top general told him directly that 9/11 was a false flag inside job." someone told him... that is never admissible in court, it is called hearsay evidence, meaning he has NO firsthand knowledge of anything... now if he could get the general to testify, that is a different story, but this is just more nonsense.... Spoken like someone whose mind is totally closed. There's almost no point debating with you really. Because you won't see anything but what you wanna see. I could give you all the evidence in the world for why 9-11 was an inside job, but you wouldn't believe me. And it wasn't just "someone", it was a top general. Big difference. Question, so all those years that Al Quida proclaimed him to be alive, were they in on the conspiracy as well??? Al Queda was a government invention, to scare us. Obviously it's worked. so i guess the government made up the suicide bombers too... was the war in iraq and afganistan made up too All war is for political and financial gain. They are extremely beneficial for those in power. Look at how easily they can divide the masses by creating an enemy. We have no need for war, but for them it keeps their power structure in tact. Learn your history. Furthermore, they have a past of lying and staging events to get us to war in the past. Think Gulf of Tonkin, it never happened! It was admitted as such many many years later, they made it up. That of course got us into the Vietnam war. Now if they'll lie to you about that, what else are they gonna lie about? Fool me once.......... we have no need for war? what about WW2? Which in that case we provoked Japan to attack us intentionally........but you wouldn't know that either would you. And even if there was something valid there, how do you defend the gulf of tonkin? ok, which conspiracy do you want to talk about? i'm getting confused by all the different conspiracys going on in here... |
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just the first paragraph shows that the article is a lie..."Top US government insider Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, a man who held numerous different influential positions under three different Presidents and still works with the Defense Department, shockingly told The Alex Jones Show yesterday that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001 and that he was prepared to testify in front of a grand jury how a top general told him directly that 9/11 was a false flag inside job." someone told him... that is never admissible in court, it is called hearsay evidence, meaning he has NO firsthand knowledge of anything... now if he could get the general to testify, that is a different story, but this is just more nonsense.... Spoken like someone whose mind is totally closed. There's almost no point debating with you really. Because you won't see anything but what you wanna see. I could give you all the evidence in the world for why 9-11 was an inside job, but you wouldn't believe me. And it wasn't just "someone", it was a top general. Big difference. Question, so all those years that Al Quida proclaimed him to be alive, were they in on the conspiracy as well??? Al Queda was a government invention, to scare us. Obviously it's worked. so i guess the government made up the suicide bombers too... was the war in iraq and afganistan made up too All war is for political and financial gain. They are extremely beneficial for those in power. Look at how easily they can divide the masses by creating an enemy. We have no need for war, but for them it keeps their power structure in tact. Learn your history. Furthermore, they have a past of lying and staging events to get us to war in the past. Think Gulf of Tonkin, it never happened! It was admitted as such many many years later, they made it up. That of course got us into the Vietnam war. Now if they'll lie to you about that, what else are they gonna lie about? Fool me once.......... we have no need for war? what about WW2? Which in that case we provoked Japan to attack us intentionally........but you wouldn't know that either would you. And even if there was something valid there, how do you defend the gulf of tonkin? ok, which conspiracy do you want to talk about? i'm getting confused by all the different conspiracys going on in here... Pick one, doesn't matter. |
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just the first paragraph shows that the article is a lie..."Top US government insider Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, a man who held numerous different influential positions under three different Presidents and still works with the Defense Department, shockingly told The Alex Jones Show yesterday that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001 and that he was prepared to testify in front of a grand jury how a top general told him directly that 9/11 was a false flag inside job." someone told him... that is never admissible in court, it is called hearsay evidence, meaning he has NO firsthand knowledge of anything... now if he could get the general to testify, that is a different story, but this is just more nonsense.... Spoken like someone whose mind is totally closed. There's almost no point debating with you really. Because you won't see anything but what you wanna see. I could give you all the evidence in the world for why 9-11 was an inside job, but you wouldn't believe me. And it wasn't just "someone", it was a top general. Big difference. Question, so all those years that Al Quida proclaimed him to be alive, were they in on the conspiracy as well??? Al Queda was a government invention, to scare us. Obviously it's worked. so i guess the government made up the suicide bombers too... was the war in iraq and afganistan made up too All war is for political and financial gain. They are extremely beneficial for those in power. Look at how easily they can divide the masses by creating an enemy. We have no need for war, but for them it keeps their power structure in tact. Learn your history. Furthermore, they have a past of lying and staging events to get us to war in the past. Think Gulf of Tonkin, it never happened! It was admitted as such many many years later, they made it up. That of course got us into the Vietnam war. Now if they'll lie to you about that, what else are they gonna lie about? Fool me once.......... we have no need for war? what about WW2? Which in that case we provoked Japan to attack us intentionally........but you wouldn't know that either would you. And even if there was something valid there, how do you defend the gulf of tonkin? ok, which conspiracy do you want to talk about? i'm getting confused by all the different conspiracys going on in here... Pick one, doesn't matter. it's your post... but i feel everyone knows by now that vietnam was a lie, so we can skip that one... |
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But obviously a liberal would think anybody who disagrees with thier circular arguments is ignorant... I got my BA in 2005, and when I did I graduated from the liberal redundacy and moved onto radical thought processes. Not enough. I am not a liberal, I am not a conservative, I am simply a truth seeker. Labels do not apply to me.
And you call others ignorant! You do realize you have no - zero - concrete evidence of any kind to support anything you are saying. Don't you???? You have "This guy said that guy over there told me that these other people did this." How far removed do you have to get from the source information before you can't rely on it??? Ever do the telephone test in school. Pass a phrase down a line of people to see how much it changes at the end... Of course, that is going on the assumption that he heard it in the first place and didn't just fabricate it now. Why now anyway? Why not when everyone was crying foul right after? Just a coincidence that Osama just died and now - oh yeah - and I have proof he wasn't involved in 9-11 because - well - I said so...
And what makes you think the media is gonna tell you all the truth either? Are you that closed minded that you can't see that perhaps they have agendas of their own? I would LOVE to see your "proof" the Gulf of Tonkin was a lie. Here, from the mouth of Mcnamera himself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AaGVAipGp0 ok, first of all he did say they were attacked on August 2nd and has no doubt that was a genuine attack by a forgein nation. The rest of it fall into "the fog of war" category. What it boils down to is. They weren't sure of the details but on August 4th they were sure they were attacked. McNamara took this information to the president. There was no lie about the August 4th attack. It was just fog of war confusion. That happens. The wrong information got passed up the chain because it was what they "knew" at that point. The people in charge won't settle for "I think" It is either yes or no. No conspiracy, just a misunderstanding of the situation at hand. That video says so. Even then, they still were attacked on August 2nd. McNamara said so in the video as well... |
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just the first paragraph shows that the article is a lie..."Top US government insider Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, a man who held numerous different influential positions under three different Presidents and still works with the Defense Department, shockingly told The Alex Jones Show yesterday that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001 and that he was prepared to testify in front of a grand jury how a top general told him directly that 9/11 was a false flag inside job." someone told him... that is never admissible in court, it is called hearsay evidence, meaning he has NO firsthand knowledge of anything... now if he could get the general to testify, that is a different story, but this is just more nonsense.... Spoken like someone whose mind is totally closed. There's almost no point debating with you really. Because you won't see anything but what you wanna see. I could give you all the evidence in the world for why 9-11 was an inside job, but you wouldn't believe me. And it wasn't just "someone", it was a top general. Big difference. Question, so all those years that Al Quida proclaimed him to be alive, were they in on the conspiracy as well??? Al Queda was a government invention, to scare us. Obviously it's worked. so i guess the government made up the suicide bombers too... was the war in iraq and afganistan made up too All war is for political and financial gain. They are extremely beneficial for those in power. Look at how easily they can divide the masses by creating an enemy. We have no need for war, but for them it keeps their power structure in tact. Learn your history. Furthermore, they have a past of lying and staging events to get us to war in the past. Think Gulf of Tonkin, it never happened! It was admitted as such many many years later, they made it up. That of course got us into the Vietnam war. Now if they'll lie to you about that, what else are they gonna lie about? Fool me once.......... we have no need for war? what about WW2? Which in that case we provoked Japan to attack us intentionally........but you wouldn't know that either would you. And even if there was something valid there, how do you defend the gulf of tonkin? ok, which conspiracy do you want to talk about? i'm getting confused by all the different conspiracys going on in here... Pick one, doesn't matter. it's your post... but i feel everyone knows by now that vietnam was a lie, so we can skip that one... Ok then. |
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But obviously a liberal would think anybody who disagrees with thier circular arguments is ignorant... I got my BA in 2005, and when I did I graduated from the liberal redundacy and moved onto radical thought processes. Not enough. I am not a liberal, I am not a conservative, I am simply a truth seeker. Labels do not apply to me.
And you call others ignorant! You do realize you have no - zero - concrete evidence of any kind to support anything you are saying. Don't you???? You have "This guy said that guy over there told me that these other people did this." How far removed do you have to get from the source information before you can't rely on it??? Ever do the telephone test in school. Pass a phrase down a line of people to see how much it changes at the end... Of course, that is going on the assumption that he heard it in the first place and didn't just fabricate it now. Why now anyway? Why not when everyone was crying foul right after? Just a coincidence that Osama just died and now - oh yeah - and I have proof he wasn't involved in 9-11 because - well - I said so...
And what makes you think the media is gonna tell you all the truth either? Are you that closed minded that you can't see that perhaps they have agendas of their own? I would LOVE to see your "proof" the Gulf of Tonkin was a lie. Here, from the mouth of Mcnamera himself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AaGVAipGp0 ok, first of all he did say they were attacked on August 2nd and has no doubt that was a genuine attack by a forgein nation. The rest of it fall into "the fog of war" category. What it boils down to is. They weren't sure of the details but on August 4th they were sure they were attacked. McNamara took this information to the president. There was no lie about the August 4th attack. It was just fog of war confusion. That happens. The wrong information got passed up the chain because it was what they "knew" at that point. The people in charge won't settle for "I think" It is either yes or no. No conspiracy, just a misunderstanding of the situation at hand. That video says so. Even then, they still were attacked on August 2nd. McNamara said so in the video as well... I suppose so, but I still err on the side of skepticism. |
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My question is this. Is it really okay to assassinate unarmed people? They must think it is because they are bragging about it. They have absolute power. could you be a little more specific please. Who are the "unarmed people?" Who is "They?" Not being facetious or anything. I really have no way to respond to this because I don't know what you're talking about... I am referring to the assassination of Bin Laden. "They" are THE COMPANY. Ok, I don't know the circumstances of his death and I really don't care. They could have stood him up totally helpless and executed him and I would still applaud. He clearly demonstrated his willingness to kill in the name of Alaha. What does that mean? If you aren't Muslim, he wanted you to convert or die. That was it. Doesn't matter if it is Israel, American or Australia. If you aren't Muslim he wanted you to convert or die. Everyone keeps making the mistake that it was an attack on our country. It was in actuality and attack on the people within the country. |
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What the government AREN'T telling you
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Well I don't support government sanctioned assassinations or killings of people.
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Well I don't support government sanctioned assassinations or killings of people. Ok, then think of it as a individual soldier (in this case Navy Seal) that executed, what I would call, the most evil man of our time. vigilante justice... Found it interesting that they buried him at sea. I could easily see a situation where they captured him and faked his death so they could interrogate the snot out of him without anyone looking for him... That I would believe. Navy Seals need to have a security clearance just to be a Seal. If that happened, they wouldn't utter a word. Read "Black Hawk Down." A true story about Mogodishu. the author went and interviewed every person he could that was involved in that fire fight to write his story. he told it as honestly as he could in honor of the fallen. There was only one Delta Force Ranger that would even talk with him. In his telling, there was one of the Delta Force Ranger's whose wife truly thought he was a traveling salesman. That is the kind of secrecy they keep. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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vigilante justice...
I don't think it was vigilante justice. I think it was government sanctioned. At least that is what the said on they news... "they had orders to kill him." |
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vigilante justice...
I don't think it was vigilante justice. I think it was government sanctioned. At least that is what the said on they news... "they had orders to kill him." I know, just trying to take government out of it. 
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My question is this. Is it really okay to assassinate unarmed people? They must think it is because they are bragging about it. They have absolute power. Id say it depends upon the situation. If you are in america with the average joe on the street and dont see a gun,, maybe not if you are somewhere where people strap bombs on under their clothes which can blow with the push of a button,,,perhaps caution is not such an unreasonable reaction,,, if there was an option to come peacefully which he didnt take, the history of his methods(The methods of his following) would make it a reasonable reaction to drop him,,,, |
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