No judgment passed. Merely a speculation. She did not say anyone was going to not receive the gift of heaven. She did not say someone was going to die. No judgment passes, just merely observations of what one displays.

FreakyShiki wrote:
Of course I understand what I read in the Bible. But you have not received Christ's gift of grace, and are trying to rationalize faith. As for me being a preacher, so be it. As Christians, we are called to teach and preach the Word. So, when you state I preach to people, you are acknowledging my calling, and I thank you for that.

So?

If his disposition hasn't changed, then he'll still be the same gentle Christ.

You people are determined to make Jesus out to be a hateful monster, but there's simply no justification for your claims.

Either Jesus can be trusted to be sane, reasonable, and righteous, or he can't.

If he can, then sane, reasonable, and righteous people have nothing to fear.

For example, even back in the days when Jesus lived, who wasn't that he was calling hypocrites? The adulteress at the well? No he forgave her.

It was the hypocritical scribes and pharisees that Jesus was calling hypocrites.

I would expect that Jesus would be consistent in his persona. If he were to return I imaging that he's continue to forgive the petty failings of the average person on the street. The people he'll be out to get are the "scribes and pharisees" who have grossly twisted his teachings. (i.e. the Paper Popes and Proselytizers who used religion to support bigotries and inflate their own egos)

Those are the kinds of people that Jesus didn't care much for the first time he was here. If he's UNCHANGING in his character, then I imagine it will be those same hypocrites that he'll be peeved with when he comes back.

I wouldn't want to be in their shoes!

For example, even back in the days when Jesus lived, who wasn't that he was calling hypocrites? The adulteress at the well? No he forgave her.

It was the hypocritical scribes and pharisees that Jesus was calling hypocrites.

You're not paying close enough attention Cowboy.

FreakyShiki passed judgement on Jeanniebean:



He specifically states that Jeanniebean has NOT RECEIVED Christ's give of grace.

That's a judgment.

How could he possibly know who Christ has decided to bestow his give of grace to?

He's assuming that he knows Christ's judgments!

JeannieBean writes:

Cowboy I believe it was freakshiki who passed "his" judgement. But whether one claims the right to judge or not, he has judged incorrectly. He does not know me. His judgement is his personal opinion and he has a right to it. I have also judged him as a paper pope. So I guess we are even.

Have a blissful day!

I know I have received the grace of God. I have been lifted from the jaws of death many times in my life, and I have seen the light of Love and compassion. This is my personal relationship with God we are talking about and it is nobody's business but mine. Save yourself.

Cowboy wrote:

Again just perely speculations on what has been seen in Jeaniebean. After this was said, why did Jeaniebean not profess to have accepted Jesus?

Paper Popes supporting each other's judgmental religious bigotries.

So what else is new?

With all due respect, you guys make Christianity appear to be the most judgmental and hateful religion on planet Earth.

Of course, that could be due to the fact that the doctrine that the religion is based on supports this kind of judgmental religious bigotry.

I just see no value in all this negativity associate with a concept like God and spirit.

It's no wonder that people are converting to atheism in droves!

These religions that insist on making God out to be a heartless hateful jerk aren't very attractive. Atheism (the idea that there is no God at all) is actually a more attractive picture.

Freakyshiki wrote:

I am glad there is respect in there. Christianity is about love and compassion. You put a quote like the one above, and you talk about negativity? Tsk, tsk, tsk.

If Christianity is all about love and compassion, then why do you guys use it to spread so much judgmental hatred and religious bigotry? Tsk, tsk, tsk,

Cowboy wrote:

Only to you my friend. You're the one whom takes it so personal. No one was personally attacked, no one was personally "judged", no one said anything personally to another. No one said the other will rot in hell, no one said the other wasn't going to enjoy the paradise our lord has made for us, no made ANY form of judgment at all. Again, it is only YOU whom takes things said personally and in an attacking way.

Obviously you didn't understand. Freakyshiki specifically stated that Jeanniebean had not received the gift of grace from Christ.

That is a direct personal judgment made by Freaky on another person.

If you don't consider that to be a direct personal judgment then clearly you don't even understand what the concept even means.
shiki is mocking about... he is just flirting

No one is spreading any form of hatred. It is only YOU whom seems to see it that way. Give me one example of a Christian spreading "hatred", especially on this forum.

I fully agree with what you are saying Shinning Armour.

However, there are arrogant proselytizers on these forums who are attempting to accuse other people of "rejecting God" etc, if they refuse to cower down to their particular views.

Those are typically the unruly people that I renounce.

Other people just get caught in the 'crossfire' of those conversations.

I truly do not care if someone wants to believe in Christianity for themselves. That's cool.

But we have proselytizers on here who won't rest until everyone agrees with their views PRECISELY.

It has nothing to do with any God.

These are strictly egos who love to argue pretending that God is on "their side".

This way they have convinced themselves that they can't lose, and they can't be wrong.

How could they be wrong? They have God on THEIR SIDE!

But it's precisely that kind of mentality that make these "jealous-god" religions dangerous.

Surely even you can recognize that it's only the Abrahamic religions that are based on a "jealous-god" concept?

No other religions that I'm aware of are based on jealous Gods who will hate everyone who refuses to believe in them.

And surely atheism isn't based on a "jealous god" concept either.

The only place we ever see the "jealous god" syndrome is in the Abrahamic religions, and it seems to have become an extreme obsession for self-appointed Protestant "Paper Popes" who LOVE to use it to accuse everyone who rejects it as having "Rejected God".

What more powerful prop for an ego can you find than to prop yourself up by claiming that you SERVE the one and only jealous God of the universe, and everyone who disagrees with YOU is necessarily disagreeing with GOD HIMSELF!

That's what we're up against here ShinningArmour. Not any actual religion or god, just the Paper Popes who love to use the religion to boast that they hold the absolute truth and if you refuse to agree with them GOD himself will HATE YOU!

Where is there anything positive in any of that?

Obviously you didn't understand. Freakyshiki specifically stated that Jeanniebean had not received the gift of grace from Christ.

That is a direct personal judgment made by Freaky on another person.

If you don't consider that to be a direct personal judgment then clearly you don't even understand what the concept even means.

I know I have received the grace of God. I have been lifted from the jaws of death many times in my life, and I have seen the light of Love and compassion. This is my personal relationship with God we are talking about and it is nobody's business but mine. Save yourself.

gboyy wrote:

shiki is mocking about... he is just flirting

I just gave you an example. FreakyShiki passing judgment on Jeanniebean's personal relationship with what he claims or believes to be "God".

As far as I'm concerned that is an extremely hateful thing for any person to say to another person.

You're millage may vary. But as far as I'm concerned anytime a person passes spiritual judgment on another person that is a very hateful thing to do. Even if their religious beliefs are as bogus as they can be. It's still a hateful thing to do in principle and in thought.

And besides, that's the bottom line with the whole religion of Christianity. The very doctrine itself is attempting to make this sort of judgment on everyone who refuses to believe in the religion. So it's inherently a hateful religion at its core.

In fact, any religion that is based on an idea of a "jealous God" is necessarily going to be a hateful religion by its very nature.

So it's the religion itself that is based on hate from the get go.