Yeh, just as I said.

Abra, You'll be sorry when Jesus gets back.

I see you more like a "Christ Repellent Spray".

You just make the whole idea of the Christ appear to be repulsive. So you're not doing a very good job if your intent is to propagate the teachings of Jesus.

In fact, you seem to be far more concerned with hammering home the idea that Jesus was "The Christ" than you are concerned about the actual teaching of Jesus himself.

Jeanniebean is not "rejecting" Christ. On the contrary she's genuinely concerned that the whole story is a hoax. That is a sincere and honest concern that in now way can be construed to be "rejection of the Christ". A person needs to actually be convinced that "The Christ" is a real concept before they can reject it.

So your accusation that Jeanniebean is "rejecting" the Christ is a false and unwarranted judgment on your part that holds absolutely no merit whatsoever.

You're right, a lot of misguided "Christian" radicals do portray Jesus to be filled with hatred instead of love. They've turned him into a monster. Probably because they can't stand that thought of LOVE.

Of course this type of claim made by these misguided "Christian" radicals flies in the very face of the underlying religion. The Christian God is supposed to be unchanging, yet here they are demanding that Jesus will change radically in his character.

So they're asking us to believe that Jesus is unstable and untrustworthy.

Obviously they have no faith in Jesus to keep any of his words, or even to remain consistent in persona.

From what I've read, Jesus said that the meek shall inherit the earth. Well, if that's the case, then I feel safe to start planning how I'll lay out my farm.

Only repulsive to you and others whom choose to see it that way.

God is unchanging. NOTHING "changed". To change something is to edit it, alter it, and or modify it. Nothing has been changed, or edited, or altered, or even modified. One covenant God made with us requires sacrifice for forgiveness. That covenant has been fulfilled, completed, finished. Then God sent his only begotten child, Jesus to give us the new covenant. Again, nothing changed or anything. TWO TOTALLY different sets of laws.

God offered forgiveness through sacrifice in the old covenant. God offers forgiveness through Jesus Christ in the new covenant.

The only reward for sin is death in the old covenant. The only reward for sin is death in the new covenant.

Again, NOTHING changed. Just merely two different sets of rules/laws.

Actually you are wrong. I have seen the light and enlightenment of "The Christ" and that light is LOVE.

What I am advocating here is simply for people to wake up and THINK FOR THEMSELVES to find true meaning in life instead of parroting meaningless verses and things that they have been told over and over and over - that they don't even understand.

You are not a conduit of Christ because you don't seem to even understand what you read in the Bible, you just repeat it. You don't think and you don't listen and you don't even communicate with people. You preach at them.

I seek to antagonize non-thinkers and sleep walkers who walk around like the living dead quoting scripture like zombies as if they know the meaning of what they are saying.

To reject the Light, Life and Love does have consequences. I believe in and respect the law of the universe. I have faith in that law.

I have no patience with paper popes who parrot scripture and attempt to pass judgment on others and who don't, in my opinion, comprehend the true meaning of the Christ or what Jesus represents.

This post, I realize, will fall on your deaf ear and will not be heard. But I have been called to reveal the truth. I called myself.

Have a very very blissful day.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with you choosing to live your life by "The Book". Hopefully, that serves you well. I would never even dream of suggesting that you should live your life otherwise.

I understand that you personally have no hatred towards me. Actually that would be impossible anyway because you don't truly know me. But unfortunately the Abrahamic religions in general do have a tendency to spread brotherly hatred in the name of "God" and in form of religious bigotries. Protestant Christian Fundamentalists are probably the greatest spreaders of such hate, and they do it in the name of Jesus as the "Almighty Christ".

I see no value in that whatsoever.

They are the ones who stir discord among their brethren by refusing to acknowledge the spiritual essence of anyone who refuses to suck up to their specific interpretations of a specific dogma.

It's truly not about "God" or "Jesus", it's all about using God and Jesus as an excuse to spread hatred and bigotry in their names.

I have no sympathy for hardcore religious proselytizers of any religion. They have nothing to do with any god. Usually they are just egotists who are addicted to the "power trip" of pretending that they speak for God, and thus they cannot be wrong.

What greater BOOST for the ego can a person possibly find, than to convince themselves that they hold the TRUTH of God and that God himself has not only given them permission to speak on his behalf, but has even actually commanded that they do so!

That's the ultimate ego trip. "I am a servant of the Lord".

Yeah right.

The same could be said for anyone who strongly believes in something based of faith.

If you don't question a belief that's faith based it becomes religion.

Talk to an atheist and he will tell you the earth started with a big bang and everything evolved. You can question it but to him there is no question. He doesnt hate you he just does not agree.

Same thing with any other faith belief. I don't think they hate on others they just don't agree. That's all.

The KKK, the Black Panthers. Those people hate. Christians and atheists, those people don't agree.

There is a difference. But I'm not here to argue just to chat.

No. It's truly repulsive. Because these people aren't genuinely concerned with trying to get people to "SEE" anything.

All they are concerned with is making "accusations" that people are choosing to reject God, or that they will be "sorry" when Jesus returns, blah, blah, blah.

That's all repulsive and isn't the slightest bit productive for anyone. It's just judgmental religious bigotry wielded with neither understanding nor compassion.

This is in no way anything that Jesus had instructed anyone to do.

If I were a believer in the Christian story of Jesus I could teach it far better than any evangelist I have ever met.

But then again perhaps not.

The reason that I can't teach it is because it's utterly unsupportable. And if I were to try to teach it, I would probably need to lower myself to the same dastardly tactic that most proselytizers already use. Because there is no sane way to justify it.

This is why I wouldn't even bother trying to teach it to anyone.

If I were going to teach the teachings of Jesus, I'd much rather do it through the teachings of Buddha, Confucianism, or Taoism, which amount to the very same thing but don't contain all the absurdities and contradictions that are found in the biblical stories.

JeannieBean writes:

"You are not a conduit of Christ because you don't seem to even understand what you read in the Bible, you just repeat it. You don't think and you don't listen and you don't even communicate with people. You preach at them."

Of course I understand what I read in the Bible. But you have not received Christ's gift of grace, and are trying to rationalize faith. As for me being a preacher, so be it. As Christians, we are called to teach and preach the Word. So, when you state I preach to people, you are acknowledging my calling, and I thank you for that.

"I seek to antagonize non-thinkers and sleep walkers who walk around like the living dead quoting scripture like zombies as if they know the meaning of what they are saying."

That is your problem. You seek to antagonize. We know what we are talking about. If our message is not falling on your ears, instead of blaming all of us, perhaps you should look inside yourself and ask why you are not worthy of Christ's love. You are, you know.

I fully agree with what you are saying Shinning Armour.

However, there are arrogant proselytizers on these forums who are attempting to accuse other people of "rejecting God" etc, if they refuse to cower down to their particular views.

Those are typically the unruly people that I renounce.

Other people just get caught in the 'crossfire' of those conversations.

I truly do not care if someone wants to believe in Christianity for themselves. That's cool.

But we have proselytizers on here who won't rest until everyone agrees with their views PRECISELY.

It has nothing to do with any God.

These are strictly egos who love to argue pretending that God is on "their side".

This way they have convinced themselves that they can't lose, and they can't be wrong.

How could they be wrong? They have God on THEIR SIDE!

But it's precisely that kind of mentality that make these "jealous-god" religions dangerous.

Surely even you can recognize that it's only the Abrahamic religions that are based on a "jealous-god" concept?

No other religions that I'm aware of are based on jealous Gods who will hate everyone who refuses to believe in them.

And surely atheism isn't based on a "jealous god" concept either.

The only place we ever see the "jealous god" syndrome is in the Abrahamic religions, and it seems to have become an extreme obsession for self-appointed Protestant "Paper Popes" who LOVE to use it to accuse everyone who rejects it as having "Rejected God".

What more powerful prop for an ego can you find than to prop yourself up by claiming that you SERVE the one and only jealous God of the universe, and everyone who disagrees with YOU is necessarily disagreeing with GOD HIMSELF!

That's what we're up against here ShinningArmour. Not any actual religion or god, just the Paper Popes who love to use the religion to boast that they hold the absolute truth and if you refuse to agree with them GOD himself will HATE YOU!

Where is there anything positive in any of that?

I did. So how is it logic and scientific method are just to hard to grasp? Logic and Scientific method are the core of Empirical Proof.

Hypothesis are great because they can be an expression of an idea with no real foundation other than observation of repeatable behavior.

A Theory is a test of the Hypothesis from several different sources. When that hypothesis is repeated and documented it evolves to a Theory.

The next step is Physical Law. Canton Law does not apply! Canton Law is a "Generally accepted principle without any proven foundation." Physical law is a Theory that has been tested by multiple sources and was repeatable exactly as described. Thermodynamics is a Physical Law becasue we understand the mechanical and theoretical principles behind the effects of heat and cold. We have been able to achieve near Zero Kelvin but fall ever so fractionally close to it. We can create heat as intense as the sun. But now for the resurrection.


People have clinically died and were revived through medical science. Likewise as I have said before Jesus resurrecting would have been HUGE news to the Romans of that day. They killed him and three days later he is walking around? The Romans would have been bowing to whatever God he told them too. Why? THEY KILLED HIM AND THEY KNEW IT! Then three days later he is walking around? Sorry but one historical fact people overlook was Romans were well informed. Don't think news didn't travel fast back then. Now. We are conditioned to believe a book written by the hand of man to be the word of God when it is the word of man. And in the very words of a man comes a simple truth way too many self confirmed Christians follow in sheep-like fashion in the wrong context. Two simple commandments is all the whole Bible boils down to and here come the sheep bleating how Jesus is their Savior and we need him to get to heaven. People like you foolishly deify a man and cast him in the same light as God. Foolish Christians pray to Mary, Jesus, and in Catholics Saints. WHY Does God need them exactly?

No science has ever revived anyone dead three days. Then again Jesus could have had a body double. Jesus and Judas were like brothers although it is suspected they may have been more. If Judas and Jesus looked remotely enough alike he would have known Jesus well enough that Judas could have faked his death and became the embodiment of Jesus including having spikes driven through his wrists and Ankles. He would have been crippled but not completely incapacitated especially if he was doped up enough to not feel the pain. They did have opium and other hard drugs back in those days including the toxic heliotrope. The act of Crucifixion is survivable provided the victim is not left to die on a cross.

Now along comes Free Will again. For God to intercede means we have no free will. For Jesus to return would be a retraction of our free will. Something about that unto itself does not make sense.

On top of that Jesus is going to Judge me? I will kick his azz in front of God if he dares think he will sit or stand in judgment of me. Go ahead and think i am kidding. On top of all of that What is the logic if a man taking MY sins on and killing himself (POLICE ASSISTED SUICIDE!) ritualistically to save me from myself? That does not make sense!

If that was God's plan for us God is a BUFFOON! That plan is backwards and evil on SO MANY LEVELS!

What I think really happened was Jesus was willing to die for his beliefs and it got all blown out of proportion. Humans are really sick sometimes!

Of course I am worthy. But, you are not my judge where my personal relationship to God is concerned. I reject your personal portrayal of me and who you think I am. You do not know me. I have no need of your acceptance or approval.

So go about your business and proceed to preach, preacher. Do what makes you happy and have a blissful day.

Cowboy, you're not paying attention:

I was addressing the following quote:



This very quote is claiming that Jesus himself is going to CHANGE in his disposition.

We can't have that!

No one's making any "accusations". Is me saying "sorry for people who can't drive" stating that all people can't drive? And or accusing of someone not being able to drive? We've already been told that the path to heaven is narrow. So we're not making any accusations or anything of such at a PARTICULAR person(s). I'm always just curious why you take these things so personally, like you feel guilty or something when someone says something like that.

The job he is doing is what changed. HE isn't going to change. First time he was here, he was here to give us the new covenant. He was here teaching. Is it better to teach someone in a loving way or a fierce way? Is it better to hold out a tender hand while teaching/helping someone? Or is it better to hold out a cold stern hand while teaching/helping someone?

When Jesus returns he will not return to teach us anything. He is not coming back to "help" anyone with their problems. He is coming to JUDGE the world.

So still nothing changed, only the goal of one's actions.

Who are you to judge whether Jeanniebean has received Christ's gift of grace? (assuming that such a concept even exists)

There's huge difference between spreading the word of a gospel versus going around judging who some "Christ", may or may have not, bestowed any of his 'gifts' to.

This is where religious proselytizing crosses a major line.

You're not claiming to merely be spreading the word of a gospel, you're flat-out passing judgments on on people on Christ's behalf!

You better go back and re-read those scriptures, and try to pay little attention to what you're reading this time.

No judgment passed. Merely a speculation. She did not say anyone was going to not receive the gift of heaven. She did not say someone was going to die. No judgment passes, just merely observations of what one displays.

So?

If his disposition hasn't changed, then he'll still be the same gentle Christ.

You people are determined to make Jesus out to be a hateful monster, but there's simply no justification for your claims.

Either Jesus can be trusted to be sane, reasonable, and righteous, or he can't.

If he can, then sane, reasonable, and righteous people have nothing to fear.

For example, even back in the days when Jesus lived, who wasn't that he was calling hypocrites? The adulteress at the well? No he forgave her.

It was the hypocritical scribes and pharisees that Jesus was calling hypocrites.

I would expect that Jesus would be consistent in his persona. If he were to return I imaging that he's continue to forgive the petty failings of the average person on the street. The people he'll be out to get are the "scribes and pharisees" who have grossly twisted his teachings. (i.e. the Paper Popes and Proselytizers who used religion to support bigotries and inflate their own egos)

Those are the kinds of people that Jesus didn't care much for the first time he was here. If he's UNCHANGING in his character, then I imagine it will be those same hypocrites that he'll be peeved with when he comes back.

I wouldn't want to be in their shoes!

Cowboy I believe it was freakshiki who passed "his" judgement. But whether one claims the right to judge or not, he has judged incorrectly. He does not know me. His judgement is his personal opinion and he has a right to it. I have also judged him as a paper pope. So I guess we are even.

Have a blissful day!