JB....I have raised all our hens from day old, and they are still as trusting as your gorgeous day old chicken. i walk into the pen and all my girls rush up...not for me, hahaha that would be egotistical!, obviously for their food, however, once their appetite is satiated, if I am squatted down, I have a number of hens that hop into my lap for a pat, brush up against me, and when I open their gate for them to forage, they tend to follow me around, scratching for bugs at my findertips in the garden, or around my feet.

The hens we keep, are for bug reduction, mulchers of the most voracious kind, eggs for my children...(unfertilised, we don't keep a rooster), and the best fertiliser available to us, in a suburban yard.

Their very simple trust swells my heart...and for me, I choose not to eat animals, certainly not for any biblical sinful reasons, or non biblical non-sinful reasons.

Thankyou for your irrational, dismissive and quite offensive response...


A bible following Christian, I presume?

Sharin the love?...showing acceptance and forgiveness?...such a charitable post you created there, sir.

I have wanted to raise some chickens for some time, but I have six cats and I would have to build a secure place for them. I would probably raise them for the eggs and make pets out of them. If I did that I doubt if I would be able to kill and eat any of them.

"It takes so totally more strength and courage to be cruel than to be nice." -- Dr. No, Mr. Evil, whatever his name was (Dr. Ho?) in "Enter the Dragon". It was actually probably the screenplay writer whose words these were.

I have 4 cats, and a fox terrier dog....9 hens...in an open topped pen, with a raised/elevated little hen house/coop.

I have one cat that is my shadow, he is fascinated by the hens, but has never touched them. As tiny newly hatched chickens they start their little safe life in a cat carrier cage on my back deck, (to protect them from snakes), then they progress to a 'chook tractor'...which is a contained, meshfloored cage..(kind of like a guinea pig/rabbit hutch), on rear wheels, which I wheel each day to a new patch for them to nibble on and scratch around in.

Once they are big enough to fight the pecking order of the main pen, they progress to there..

So rewarding, and so helpful with new gardens, they turn the earth for you, whilst fertilising it, eat all the little bugs around, and once plants are matured lightly prine the undersides...all whilst providing fresh organic eggs.

Funny you say that. People don't dictate how animals should live in the wild. Christians don't tell the Hindi how to worship, and don't tell the Taoists how to live, before baptism. Muslims don't care what the Aboriginese in Papua/New Guinea are doing before converting to Islam.

But there is one religion that teaches the unbelievers how to live according to their god's will. They don't tell them to convert, but they do tell them how to live and what's expected of them.

Can you guess which religion it is? It is a world-class one, not a cult or a sect or a sort of Native worship with their little gods.

Atheism...

"You can't practice in public..."
"You can't allow your religion to guide you..."
"You're insane and need help if you believe in a god..."

Says me.

Animals clearly feel PAIN. They scream and cry and wail when they are attacked and viciously torn apart by another animal.

It only needs to be "My personal view". That's all that matters to me.

If I consider animals eating other animals to be "not good", and God created them to be that way, then I can only conclude that God is "not Good".

Especially in the Biblical picture of a God where "God" is supposed to be an egotistical individual conscious being who should know better.

Actually, in the "mystical" view of "god" things change dramatically. Because the animals are manifestations of "god". Therefore "god" isn't doing anything to "anyone" other than "its very own self".

This is a highly intellectual theme that many people have difficulty grasping. Especially people who demand that God has an individual and separate "ego" from theirs like the Biblical necessarily must have God.

Once you realize that you are "god" you begin to realize that "god" would never do anything to "you" that it would not be willing to experience itself. Because your experience are "gods" experiences.

In fact, that's precisely why "god" created you. To experience your life.

When I start trying to explain these things to Christians I realize the difficult that I'm up against. They are so intent on seeing "God" (with a capital "G"), as a totally separate entity from themselves. And they are actually "repulsed" by the very idea that they might actually be "god". They find this idea repulsive, and totally unworthy of consideration.

That's a shame, because if there is a spiritual essence to reality this is indeed the way it most likely true is.

In fact, the very idea that there isn't a spiritual essence to reality is truly untenable as well.

But these separate egotistical Zeus-like "Godheads" that strip us of our own spiritual essence serve no useful purpose. All they end up doing is creating endless religious bigotry, BIG EGOS, and reduce the believes to being nothing more than the mere pets of some grossly egotistical entity that must necessarily remain distinct from them for all of eternity. For if they ever meld with this "God" to become one with it, they will instantly verify the truth of Eastern Mysticism.

How is the timeline here? With no rooster? Woman chickens can't have babies without semen donations by the colourful of their species.

I am confused. I knew the boys in grade three were wrong, when they told me about Mom and Dad and how I got here.

Thanks for your support in this lifelong moral quest of mine to reestablish the venerable sacrosanct status of my parents for me.

Says me



seems to be the guiding principal in these threads (regardless of faith)


sums it up quite nicely,,,

My sister raised rabbits and chickens and she had to kill them herself after her husband left. She had little choice because that was her food. She also raises pigs and sells and eats pork. It does take a lot of guts and strength to do the killing, but if it is done right, and quickly, it is not "cruel."

What it takes to be cruel is a sicko.

That was not the answer I had in mind. It is a correct answer, but not the one I was expecting.

Anyone else? You, for instance. Yes, you, in the small hat.

Oh dear!


An egg is a hen's ovum, fertilised or not...she will produce eggs after or around 23 weeks of age and produce anywhere between 180 - 230 eggs a year, depending on her breed...without the sperm of a rooster.

The chickens we raise come from fertilised eggs I have swapped for, from a friend who has the breed of hens and rooster I prefer, then placed under a broody hen, in my pen to hatch.

They are taken from their mother and hand raised, simply because the mortality rate is high, if left in the pen...(snakes, kookaburras, crows and rats)

Im pondering,, teaches UNBELIEVERS how to live according to their GODS will....


what God would an unbeliever have? money?
is it,, capitalism?

How did you know I was wearing a small hat...?
I give up...

Government!...all of them, be they democratic, socialist, or comunistic.

this is like playing who wants to be a millionaire

why do they always make you wait so long for the correct answer

My aunt was in the same predicament, she was in a rural setting and was stuck to raise livestock for a whole area. So she chucked the chicken and the eggs (which went first?) and imported a bunch of white rats.

Nobody ever noticed the difference with any of the meet shipments. Yet it's easier to kill a rat, in an emotional sense, than to kill an elephant or an amoeba.

That's it. An elephant, a squirrel and an amoeba is always the cutest thing when it sits on its hind legs, and turns a nut and eats it with its front paws, while it tail is on the lookout for fast and cruel predators.

What a predicament to kill such a pretty thing for a predator like a predated human (a man who is about to go on a date, but must bring his own meet.)

I was going to say government, but I don't consider that to be a religion. If that is the answer... it is a trick question.

Wow... life sure IS different for you when compared to mine.

My uncle Robert used to donate his sperm, and sometimes he swapped it for money. He had the kind of strain many rural women preferred.

Now I know why they always served some sort of an egg dish when we visited.