Why should I worship god on my knees.

When He made me to stand?

Romans 14:11
For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

Why would I worship what a Roman thought.

God gave me legs...

I am made to stand.

You are made to stand, walk, very true. But we were made to bow as well. Why have the pride to not bow before our father?

When a child wishes to be 'lifted up' it does not bow... it stands and raises its arms.

and that childs father does not demand that it bow... He simply reaches down and lifts.

If a child is standing how can that child be lifted up, for he is already up? We bow before our father and he will lift us up.

Aye standing is up... for one who crawls.

But up to a fathers shoulders give a child greater vistas.

and comforting arms.

So that child may learn to see more than what is immediate.

and have confidence that love is present.

Bowing shows respect to whom one is bowing to. Some cultures even bow to one another. Bowing to someone is being humble. That is why we are told not to bow to any man, bowing to God is showing the greatest respect to him.

As god made me...

so will I respect him.

by standing.

For he did not make me to be humble to him...

That is a man made thing.

I am a god made thing.

Being humble to one another is being kind, generous, and much more. It is an act of love.

Faith is the ability to delude oneself

if one wish for a delusion to become reality...all they have to do is utter, think, write, text, e-mail, beam, fax, upload,type or fart the word Faith and their delusion somehow magically became a part of reality

does that sound...e.r...INSANE?

this is why Faith is a religious term and only applies to a belief in God, to apply Faith to anything else but God is an indication that one is trying to weld faith and once a person tries to weld Faith they place themselves into the role of God and this is when Faith is no longer Faith but Witchcraft

This is why Saints are actually Witches and Warlocks

That's a very good question miles. Because even in the scenario that you gave what Jesus marveled at was the man's own believe in miracles, and he basically told the man, "Go your way; and as you have believed, so let it be done for you." And his servant was healed that same hour.

This is the way that the Eastern Mystics believe. So this entire scenario is in prefect harmony with my suspicion that Jesus was indeed a Mahayana Buddhist.

In fact, look at what you just wrote here. Did Jesus ask this man to believe in the Torah as the verbatim word of God? No he didn't. Did Jesus ask this man to believe that he was the only begotten son of the God who favored the Jews as his favorite people? No he didn't.

So what kind of "faith" are you talking about here? Certainly not the kind of faith that Modern Christians preach!

My faith in God would have been the kind of faith that Jesus would appreciate. Not the false faith of the Christians who place dogma above all else. They demand that we worship their dogma. Anything less is seen as blaspheme.

But even Jesus himself renounced the teachings of the Torah, and even referred to it as "Your Law" when speaking with the Pharisees whom he called hypocrites.

If Jesus were alive to day, it would be the Christians that he would no renounce as hypocrites, and it would be the non-Christian believers in the mystical power of God, (people like me) to whom he would say, "I have no seen such great faith in all of the land".

So the story you've just given actually supports my view of God, and not at all the hypocritical Christian view of worshiping dogma. Dogma that even Jesus himself refuted.

Jesus "refuted" nothing. Jesus fulfilled the Torah and gave us new laws. The laws of the Torah held no more power for it had been fulfilled. And he called the Pharisees hypocrites cause they did not practice what they preached. They held the word of God as a leverage to try to control the people, but did not follow the laws them self, thus they were hypocrites.

You need to believe in boogieman before you can live your life in fear of him. I don't believe in the boogieman.



I personally feel that parents who punish their children as a means of trying to teach them lessons are extremely ignorant people who have a very low mentality and simple don't understand how to do a better job of raising children.

Evidently you expect me to believe that an all-wise supernatural creator of the universe is just a lame as feeble ignorant mortal human parents.

All I can say is that I'm sorry you have such a low opinion of God.



I already believe all that.

But that's not at all what you are trying to "Spread". On the contrary you are trying to spread the idea that anyone who refuses to suck up to your own personal view of God is rejecting "God".

If you condemn my relationship with God, then you are wrong.

It's as simple as that. You better rethink your relationship with God if you have somehow convinced yourself that you have the right to judge who God accepts and who God does not accept.

I don't reject God, Cowboy. But I most certainly do reject your religious views. I see nothing in your religious views but hypocrisy and the constant judgment of others.

I am so glad to hear you finally confess that this religion is indeed used as leverage to control the masses.

Jesus most certainly did refute the laws of the Old Testament. He rejected the idea of stoning sinners to death by cleverly telling men that only those who are without sin should cast the first stone. He knew that the religion held out that no man is without sin. Jesus was quite sly!

Jesus also refuted the seeking of revenge as in an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, and instead taught men to forgive and turn the other cheek. Totally rejecting the mortal teaching of the Torah.

Jesus taught men not to judge others (a lesson you have clearly not yet learned), yet in the Old Testament men were required by God to judge others, for how else could they judge someone to be a sinner to stone them to death?

Jesus clearly renounce the Torah and never taught anyone that they must accept that Torah as the "verbatim" word of God. When speaking with the Pharisees Jesus even referred to the Torah as "Your Laws", not as "God's Laws".

So yes, Jesus totally renounced the Torah as being the word of any God.

Jesus could not have been the "Only begotten Son" of the God spoken of in the Torah. That's a given as far as I'm concerned.

So how would you teach your child to be obedient if there is not negative effect for being disobedient? How will one learn not to touch fire if one doesn't get burned? If your child continuously steals but receives no punishment, how is that child to learn not to do it? How will you teach your child if that child will not listen to you?



I judge no one. I know not of whom has a relationship with God or not. I know not who will or won't enjoy the paradise that is set up for us. All I do is spread the word of God. What one does with what they have heard is up to them.

Jesus refuted nothing. Refuting something would be changing what was originally written. Jesus changed nothing. Jesus completed the Torah, he finished it's prophecies, he brought it to an end. If something is brought to an end, it no longer holds power. Jesus finished the prophecies of the Torah and gave us the new testament. Again Jesus refuted nothing, only finished the old and started the new.

My parents taught me not to steal and there was never any need to punished me in order to teach me that.

In fact, if the only way you know how to teach a child is by using punishment, then you'd be an extremely poor parent. You'd probably be better off never having children in the first place if that's the totality of your ability to teach.

You've compared teaching moral values with instinctual reactions like learning not to touch fire because it burns you. But even an animal learns from instinct. If you're constantly trying to teach your children using nothing more than their instinctual responses, then you're basically assuming that they have no intellectual capacity to understand you at all.

Also, if your child is so blatantly disobedient, that even after you have explained to them why stealing is non-productive for everyone, including themselves, they continue to do it, then you've got a seriously problem that probably goes far beyond mere moral concepts.

At that point the child obviously has some seriously psychological problems. Either they desperately need attention (the parents fault for not making the child feel loved and accepted!), or they are trying to spite the parents for some reason (probably again the parents own fault), for why would a normally healthy child spite a parent for no good reason? Or possible they have a criminal mind, in which case, they either have serious secular mental disorders, OR if you believe in Jesus they are possessed by a demon and need to have it exorcised.

At what point are we to believe that a perfectly mentally healthy and well-adjusted human being has knowingly and willfully decided to blatantly become a criminal? For no good reason?

Yet, this is precisely what you must believe that people do in order to make your religion WORK!

For if they had an excuse like mental illness or being possessed by evil demons, then they could hardly be held responsible for having made a FREE WILL CHOICE in good conscience.

The only way that a concept of FREE WILL CHOICE can possible work in terms of sin is if GOOD people knowingly CHOOSE to do bad things because it's what they have intelligently decided to do.

Anything short of that would be mental illness.

So in your religion you have a God who condemns mentally ill people, who can only be mentally ill because he allowed them to become mentally ill, NOT because they made some FREE WILL CHOICE to become mentally ill.

You're religion cannot work Cowboy.

No sane intelligent person is going to choose to be EVIL knowingly out of pure FREE WILL CHOICE. In fact, that very choice would indeed be considered to be an INSANE choice, by any sane person.

So the whole religion is an oxymoron.

In order to make this religion work, you need to reduce God to having no more intelligence or wisdom than the average human. And then you need to reduce humans to mere instinctual animals who don't have the intellectual capabilities of even making intelligent choices. They can only be taught via instinctual methods. Whack them with a stick when they do something wrong, and after so many whacks they'll finally realize not to do that or they'll get whacked.

That's the mentality you expect me to believe your God has?

Why should I view Got to be that inept?

I see no reason to belittle both us and our creator to the extent that you demand.

All hogwash. If this was true the world wouldn't be swirling into more and more crime. That and I know from personal experience this is all hogwash. All three of my brothers have gotten into drugs, gangs, and so forth. Which was not how we were raised. Not putting me on a pedestal, but how could 1 out of 4 be so totally different when they were raised by the same people, the same way if it all revolved around how one was raised? You're just trying to find a scapegoat. The only one that can be blamed for ones actions is oneself. You can not blame anyone else for an action YOU took or didn't take. So please, try again.

There are many reasons people do as such including, adrenaline rush, bragging rights to some people they hang with, and much more along those lines. They don't decide to become a "criminal". They decided to do the action(s) that caused such to happen. But the becoming a criminal in exacts wasn't particularly part of the plan, for they expected not to get caught. They didn't want to become a "criminal" per say, they decided to take the adrenaline rush and possibility of gaining something when they robbed the store, and much more crimes of such.