Isaiah 40:8 The grass withers and the flowers fall,
but the word of our God stands forever."

Well, there you go.

The words in Isaiah are jots and tittles from the Old Testament. And these very jots and tittles themselves are saying that the word of God stands forever. Meaning the words within these very fables.

Moreover, Isaiah itself, being part of this collection of fables must also be the "Word of God", because if it's nothing more than the mere opinion of some mortal man then it holds no value. It's just some guy's opinion.

So you're just verifying my point Cerise.

The Old Testament (or Torah) is being treated as the "Word of God" in this religion. And these scriptures are the jots and tittles that Jesus was supposedly referring to.

Jesus confirmed, til heaven and earth pass not one jot nor one tittle shall pass from law.

Jesus himself did not jot anything down.

Therefore, if we accept Jesus to be the Son of the God of the Old Testament, and that he was indeed referring to the written Torah as the jots and tittles of the laws, then we have no choice but to accept that Jesus himself was telling us directly that not one jot nor one tittle of the laws in the Torah shall pass from law.

There can be no question at all that the God of the Torah had commanded and directed people to kill heathens and infidels. In fact, the Jews were often threatening to kill Jesus for blaspheme because of these very laws from God. This is also why they were going to stone the sinner woman at the well. They were only attempting to carry out the laws of this God as written in the jots and tittles of the Torah.

So Jesus could not have changed any of these laws. That would fly directly in the face of both Isaiah, and the very words that have been attributed to Jesus himself.

So this whole idea that Jesus somehow brought new laws that replaced or changed the previous laws simply doesn't fit in with these fables. You'd need to re-write these stories if you wish to change what they actually say.

You're taking it out of context here. It says specifically

Isaiah 40:8 The grass withers and the flowers fall,
but the word of our God stands forever

It does not say the LAWS will stand for ever. God's word will stand forever, he will forever be in charge.

And those laws were fulfilled, completed, with Jesus later on. All the prophecies of the old testament/Torah have been completed.

I don't accept your interpretation and views on this.

It's that simple.

The gospels clearly have Jesus stating in no uncertain terms that till heaven and earth pass not one jot nor on tittle shall pass from law.

Jots and tittles refer to written laws. Jesus did not provide any written materials at all. Therefore, in these fables his words can only be referring to the written scriptures that were written before the New Testament. In other words, the Torah.

So your ideas simply don't agree with the words of Jesus.

You're trying to make up a story that doesn't match what these fables have Jesus himself proclaiming.

So I can't give your views on this any credence. Your theories are clearly in directly conflict with Jesus' own words. Your theories are inconsistent with these fables and cannot be made to work.

And before then he stated that he came to fulfill the law. So thus, what you're quoting can not be associated with the laws in the Torah. Jesus fulfilled the laws of the Torah/old testament and gave us new ones, and he told us these laws would hold power till all prophecies are completed. Not all the new prophecies have been fulfilled, thus they still hold power and not one job or tithe will be changed in the law till the prophecies are fulfilled that he has given us.

And no Jesus didn't give us any written laws. That is what his apostles were doing. That is why the bible is in consistent of different books. Luke, John, Peter, ect are all different books gathered together to form what we call the holy bible.

To "fulfill" a law does not mean to change it. On the contrary the only way to fulfill a law is to assure that it's carried out. So if he came to "fulfill" the laws, then he came to assure they will be carried out, not to change them as you trying to do.

Also when it comes to the prophecies that Jesus himself made, he was only speaking to people live. He never wrote anything down, nor did he ever ask anyone else to write things down for any future generations.

All of the gospels seem to be in clear agreement on the following:


Matt.24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Mark.13:30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.

Luke.21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.


The gospels themselves have Jesus going around telling people live that the current generation shall not pass away until all of his prophecies are fulfilled.

If Jesus prophecized a "rapture" where he would return to take the few people who will make it into his kingdom of heaven, then clearly he's already done that according to his own words. He did it before the generation that he was speaking to had passed away.

So anyone who is expecting Jesus to return thousands of years later simply didn't read these fables carefully enough.

These fables are over and done with. They have been completed, finished, fulfilled, long ago by Jesus own words.

Anyone who believes that these fables were true would really have no choice but to realize that we are nothing more than the descendants of the rejects. We're just the leftovers of what Jesus didn't want.

These fables are finished according the very words of Jesus within these very fables themselves.

I mean, if you're going to believe in these fables, then believe them as they are written.

But no, you're trying to make them into something that even the fables themselves do not support.

The laws being quoted here are the laws he was giving us. The new testament laws. All these laws hold power till he returns.



Jesus changed nothing. The laws given to us only hold power till all the prophecies are fulfilled. The laws from the Torah held power till all prophecies were fulfilled, and the laws Jesus gave us will hold power till all prophecies are fulfilled. Jesus fulfilled the laws of the Torah, thus finishing it, thus completing it.

You also have to keep in mind the generation he was speaking of was the generation of the people that are on the world now. I'm in the same generation of my dad, his dad, and so forth. Every person on the earth right now are in the same generation regardless of age. I'm in the same generation as you. We are all children of Adam and Eve. Thus we are all the same generation as of now.

Clearly it's extremely important to you that this religion be true. Evidently you can't imagine life without this religion.

You stretch your band-aides over this religion far beyond anything that can even remotely be seen as reasonable, IMHO.

I'm truly sorry to see religions do this to people. But unfortunately this is what they do. It's truly sad.

It's not exactly important to me that it's true, in that exact sense. It's just bottom line it is true. Why should I stay by the sidelines seeing what one has said could possibly stray someone away from the truth? Why should I just sit back and allow this to happen? What good would come of me doing as such? What love would I have then showed if I were to?

If you believe that the eternal fate of any human being could potentially rest in your own personal actions or in-actions, then clearly you have no trust in God to be righteous or just at all.

I don't need a fable to believe in a "God". But one thing I will say is that if I'm going to believe in a God, I'm going to choose to believe in a trustworthy God. The picture of God that you demand would be a God that is totally unworthy of mention, much less of worship.

To believe in your religion would require that I reduce my current vision of God drastically. I would need to degrade my vision of God to become a truly inept entity in order to step down to your religion.

I see no point to that. Why degrade God?

May as well just believe in evolution if you're going to do that.

Why should you come off the sidelines and interfere with another persons pursuit of 'truth'. What good would come? God so loves his children that he allows them free will... Who are you to interfere with the free exercise of such?

I need no fable to believe in a god. And I have complete trust in our father. I have no baring on your salvation. I can not save you. That all lies in the hands of our father. I'm merely a messenger, nothing more, nothing less. I'm a soldier for the lord if you will.

Yes God gives us free will. There are rules to that free will though. All free will is, is the ability to obey or not obey. Would be kind of pointless if we were just made like robots that had to do exactly as we are suppose to.

Your own personal denial is your own problem. It doesn't change the fact that you absolutely do have a fable you believe in (i.e. the biblical cannon of fables) After all, what would cause you to even think that people need to be 'saved' from the wrath of a God if you didn't already have a fable that makes claims of God's wrath in the first place?

A solider for the lord? Sounds pretty militaristic to me.

Is your God at war with someone?

From my perspective it appears to me that you just use a concept of "God" as a battering ram in your own "religious war" to propagate outright lies that God will hate everyone who refuses to convert over to supporting your religious bigotries.

That may sounds harsh, but this is indeed the fundamental thesis behind the propaganda that comes from the fables that you have embraced as the "Word of God".

You don't spread the "Love of God". Not by any stretch of the imagination.

Your theme is quite the opposite. You spread the idea that unless a person is willing to support the religious fables of your choice, then God will hate them.

So your religion isn't about love at all. It's just the opposite. It's a thesis that love will only be condoned for those who climb on-board with the religious bigotry and intellectual ignorance that is supported by the fables of your choice. Anything less, and you demand that God will not love the person in question.

Because to allow a soul to perish, or to be cast it into a lake of fire to be destroyed, is far from any act of love. On the contrary, you're truly preaching hate. You are preaching to people that if they fail to worship your religion then God will hate them!

That's what you are preaching.

You're basically preaching that if people don't jump on board with your choice of fables to represent the "Word of God", then God will hate them.

That's exactly what you are preaching. That's the fundamental basic theme of the religion that you have chosen to worship.

Yahshua would say the same words today to the ones who say they believe.

Matt 8:8-13

8 The centurion answered and said, "Master, I am not worthy that You should come under my roof. But only speak a word, and my servant will be healed. 9 For I also am a man under authority, having soldiers under me. And I say to this one, 'Go,' and he goes; and to another, 'Come,' and he comes; and to my servant, 'Do this,' and he does it."

10 When Yahshua heard it, He marveled, and said to those who followed, "Assuredly, I say to you, I have not found such great faith, not even in Israel ! 11 And I say to you that many will come from east and west, and sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 13 Then Yahshua said to the centurion, "Go your way; and as you have believed, so let it be done for you." And his servant was healed that same hour.
NKJV

Faith who has it and what is it?

The people of this world are at war with Satan. God offers his help if one wishes to receive/accept it.



God hates no one. When a parent punishes their child, does that parent hate that child? No.



I spread the fact that our father will give you the world in the palm of your hands if you ask for it with a sincere heart. I spread the fact that God loves us no matter what we do or can do on earth. I spread the fact that our father offers forgiveness to those that seek it with a sincere heart.



No I do not. You're the one that likes to twist things around taking them out of context to make it appear so. God hates no one. Eternal life is a gift he offers if one wishes to accept it. Perishing is the end of life, it's not a punishment. You are born, then you die. Jesus offers eternal life with him in God's paradise.

God offers also eternal life...

Why then should I worship a man when God is the greater.

Who said worshiping a man? God is greater, God is the greatest and deserves all praise and worship.