Topic: Dear Politicians
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Sat 02/12/11 11:38 AM
Edited by artlo on Sat 02/12/11 11:44 AM
Look, for every dollar Government gets at least THREE are lost to corruption.
I haven't seen this as a general principal. Such a thing was certainly true when george W Bush misplaced $8 billion in Iraq. Where did you get a figure like this? From my point of view, every dollar that goes into the pockets of a consumer generates up to $7 (I think) worth of economic activity. The dollar goes to consumer>the grocery store>the grocery clerk> the store where the clerk buts his gas>oil refiner> all the employees of the refinery, etc., etc. All this activity contributes to the Gross Domestic Product, which even you cannot argue that we don't want.
On top of that for every dollar government gets it cost US for them to process that money adding to the escalation of cost of operation!
I'm not sure what this means.
And if you think Welfare is doing any good?
Actually, I DOthink that welfare does some good. It puts money in the pockets of people who will spend every penny of it. The dollar goes to consumer>the grocery store>the grocery clerk> the store where the clerk buts his gas>oil refiner> all the emplyees of the refinery, etc., etc. All this activity contributes to the Gross Domestic Product, which even you cannot argue that we don't want.
Welfare has only fueled alcoholism, laziness, and drug abuse! Social programs only get milked and Hurricane Katrina and FEMA was PROOF POSITIVE OF THE FAILURES OF THE SYSTEM!
I can see that you believe that you're really onto something here. You should expand on this. Personally, I think that Hurricane Katrina and FEMA was PROOF POSITIVE that Government should not be in the hands of a lazy, corrupt and incompetent Administration.

Likewise I am not impressed with an MBA! Talk about something as worthless as a Liberal Arts Degree!
You asked and I answered. Actually, MBA is a Masters of Business Administration, the same graduate degree that our "CEO President somehow managed to get at Yale."
I deal with Experts all the time and 90% of them are know it All shitte heads who really know nothing.
I wouldn't really know anything about this. Maybe you need a better class of friends. I don't know.
The government engages in Velbin Spending. Hope you don't have to look that term up on Wikipedia!
Actually, I did have to. I knew that it was Thorstein veblen and that he was an economist, but I never read him. I think you would be closer in this if your were to reference Keynesian economics, but like I said, I never read Veblen.
I took Micro And Macro economics (One semester each) and was studying Engineering but Economic forces took me out of school because homeless and starving as a college student makes no sense!
This is one of the tragedies of 30 years of Reaganomics. Like some European countries, many American states used to offer free, or nearly free higher education
.Likewise I am deep in the trenches of the business world and frankly the nepotism in our society runs super deep!
Couldn't agree with you more. I think this is a part of the huan condition, regardless of what societal sector you're looking at.

So becasue you got an MBA you suddenly are smarter than all the rest of us!
Not at all, just more educated.
I am facing a situation where the odds are stacked against me and I am dragging myself slowly out of a hole the economy dug for us all. I have to juggle my budget creatively just to keep any money in the bank at all. I know what works and what doesn't financially. And I am supposed to pay for Obama care with what money? The money I use to eat with? How about my fuel budget? I got to give up getting to my work to pay for Obamacare? And sine I don't have the money to pay I am supposed to pay a $2500 fine each year of money I don't have?

this should be your strongest indication of the race to the bottom of 30 years of Conservative policies has taken us. I have described in another thread what life was like in pre-Reagan America. I am truly sympathetic to your predicament. No American should have to live in such penury. However, the last 30 years have created a future for our children that I fear will be much worse. Why you would so vehemently fight for the ideology that has created this reality for you is totally beyond me.

Yep, you are SO much more enlightened than the rest of us. Well Mr. Economics, how about this? If the American Government was a business, How many of its own laws are they in breach of the way they operate? I'll answer that for you, IF the American Government were held to a legal standard they would be all in prison right now and their assets seized! Not one singe business here short of the privileged few are allowed to operate like the American Government (Like GM for example!).
That was the same song that I was singing throughout the last decade. I'm not that much more thrilled about those same policies that President Obama is carrying forth.

Frikken Arm Chair Experts! God they are as Numerous as stars in the night time sky!

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Sat 02/12/11 11:41 AM
Let's see who lies,


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In Sept, 2008, the tx payers rejected the bill, but

October 3, 2008: Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) Bill Passes, President Bush Signs into Law House of Representatives bill 1424, known as the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP), passes by a slim margin in both Congressional houses, and is immediately signed into law by President Bush. [White House, 10/3/2008]



Total unaccountability,

November 10, 2008: Bloomberg News Sues Bush, Paulson for Failure to Reveal Recipients of $2 Trillion Taxpayer Loans After President Bush and US Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson push through a long-sought change in how bank mergers are taxed, Bloomberg News sues the Federal Reserve for failing to reveal loan recipients. The change will deprive US taxpayers of as much as $140 billion in tax revenue. As the economy continues its downward spiral into what is called the worse economic crisis since the Great Depression, sources say that a late September $700 billion bailout is “a quiet windfall for US banks.” [Washington Post, 11/10/2008] The legality of Treasury-negotiated equity deals for many US banks is questioned by tax attorneys, as well as nearly $2 trillion that Ben Bernanke of the Federal Reserve handed out in emergency loans before the $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program, or TARP, was enacted (see October 3, 2008). The Fed refuses to reveal which corporations received loans, or what collateral has been presented. Sources say that this secrecy is a legal violation. The Federal Reserve’s lending is significant because the central bank has stepped into a rescue role that was also the purpose of the TARP bailout plan, although without safeguards put into the TARP legislation by Congress. Total Fed lending topped $2 trillion for the first time and has risen by 140 percent, or $1.172 trillion, in the weeks since Fed governors relaxed the collateral standards on September 14. The difference includes a $788 billion increase in loans to banks through the Fed and $474 billion in other lending, mostly through the central bank’s purchase of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac bonds. [Bloomberg News, 11/10/2008; AlterNet, 11/14/2008]

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Sat 02/12/11 11:42 AM
Edited by Fanta46 on Sat 02/12/11 12:00 PM
Where did the money go?

We will never know.

Sorry I forgot the source,

http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=financial_crisis_21

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Sat 02/12/11 11:48 AM
Edited by Fanta46 on Sat 02/12/11 12:04 PM
Obama's?

The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009, abbreviated ARRA (Pub.L. 111-5) and commonly referred to as the Stimulus or The Recovery Act, is an economic stimulus package enacted by the 111th United States Congress in February 2009.

The stimulus was intended to create jobs and promote investment and consumer spending during the recession. The rationale for the stimulus comes out of the Keynesian economic tradition that argues that government budget deficits should be used to cover the output gap created by the drop in consumer spending during a recession. The modern consensus (a blend of thinking from New Keynesian and New Neo-classical theory in economics) favors monetary over fiscal policy like the fiscal stimulus. However, the Federal Reserve had already cut interest rates to zero, greatly reducing their policy options. The flow of finances was stagnated because of a liquidity trap, or an over leveraged/broke banking system, also limiting monetary policy effectiveness. While many economists agreed a fiscal stimulus was needed under these conditions, others maintained that fiscal policy would not work because government debt would use up savings that would otherwise go to investments, what economists call crowding out. Proponents countered that the negative effects of crowding out are limited when investment has already stagnated.

The measures are nominally worth $787 billion. The Act includes federal tax incentives, expansion of unemployment benefits and other social welfare provisions, and domestic spending in education, health care, and infrastructure, including the energy sector. The Act also includes numerous non-economic recovery related items that were either part of longer-term plans (e.g. a study of the effectiveness of medical treatments) or desired by Congress (e.g. a limitation on executive compensation in federally aided banks added by Senator Dodd and Rep. Frank).

No Republicans in the House and only three Republican Senators voted for the bill. The bill was signed into law on February 17 by President Barack Obama at an economic forum he was hosting in Denver, Colorado.[5]

As of the end of August 2009, 19% of the stimulus had been outlaid or gone to American taxpayers or businesses in the form of tax incentives.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Recovery_and_Reinvestment_Act_of_2009



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Sat 02/12/11 12:03 PM
Both bills were for apprx the same amounts. The difference was in accountability.
Bush's without any, and Obama's being almost entirely paid back to date.

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Sat 02/12/11 12:47 PM
Oh, and as far as legalizing ALL drugs, lets all open the floodgates to hell. And I suppose you would condone your children doing Meth or Heroin?

Time to pull your head out of your azz! You know less than you come off. I have lost friends to both drugs. Marijuana is one thing, manufactured drugs are FAR more dangerous! When you have to deal with drug addicts let us know. Hope you like them stealing everything you own to feed the monkey!
Just noticed this posting that I overlooked before. It's really a whole 'nother discussion, but in a nutshell;

The war on drugs is a dismal failure. With as many people as we have in prison on drug charges, the carnage goes on. IMO, the chief cause of the drug trade is poverty and wealth disparity. I would prefer seeing drugs made legitimately available and regulated. Criminals would loose their potential for huge profits, the industry would generate tax revenues that could be used for rehabilitation. The chief beneficiaries of the War on Drugs are drug kingpins and the prison security industry. I am sorry for your losses.

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Sat 02/12/11 01:03 PM


The problem with drugs is you can either grow the plants in your closet and make synthetics in your kitchen. There is something to be said for legalizing all drugs in that anybody can make or grow the stuff and that will pretty much be the end of the drug trade. Take a look at what prohibition did, this is no different. Prohibition made criminals (mafia) very powerful and the war on drugs has done the same thing with cartels. Anytime there is a demand for something and the govt. outlaws it they have just created a problem.

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Sat 02/12/11 01:26 PM

Dear Politicians,

I keep hearing the phrase “American People” tossed around….here’s a perspective from one American Person. I’m willing to bet I’m not alone.

The deficit. There’s only one answer here….cut spending. Use the fine examples provided to you by many ‘American People’.

Many of us have had to learn to cut back, clip coupons, buy generic and sale items only, cut back on not only luxury items, but some necessities as well, and if we can’t pay with cash, do without, in short…. live within a budget. We’re buying things we need at garage sales, thrift and second hand stores when we can. We’re buying sale items only, researching to get every ounce of our dollars worth. We’re using things up until their worn out and then finding a way to fix them and use them some more.

Many ‘American People’ have elected to take a pay cut so other employees at their place of work can keep their jobs. Many more haven’t got paid overtime, gotten a pay raise, or a cost of living increase in years. A great place to start cutting spending is with your own salaries…not only do most of us feel you are paid waaaaaay too much, we think you should take a pay cut, be willing to do what so many ‘American People have done, who by the way, did not create this deficit in the first place…you did.

I work as a medical transcriptionist, predominantly in the psychiatric field. More and more in my work each week I’m transcribing reports about folks with no prior history of depression or suicidal tendencies who are feeling hopeless and helpless, indeed defeated, and feeling that suicide is their only way out. They’ve lost their jobs, with no hope for another one in sight. Many have lost their homes and their families as a result. Indeed, their ‘American Dream’ has been shattered.

Some thoughts on a few folks…

Joe Biden: Fat cat, blow hard. Perfect example of the problems in Washington.

John Boehner: Bless your heart for showing your sensitive side but………time to put aside the tissue box, grab that gavel, roll up your sleeves and get to work!

Nancy Pelosi: Pathetic. I can only feel pity for you. Here’s an idea, the next time you have thought, keep it to yourself.

First Lady Obama: Dining out, for a lot of folks now is a luxury, a treat, leave our menus the hell alone! It’s none of your business if I chose to eat a Big Mac Meal AND super-size it! Most restaurants already offer healthy alternatives, we’re just chosing not to take part, and that is OUR choice, not yours. The responsibility of seeing to it that kids eat healthy lies with their parents. So…you take care of yours, we’ll take care of ours!

President Obama: I can only shake my head at you and repeat the phrases I have so often shouted at the TV every time you speak…. Get a clue. Pick a side. Grow a spine. Stand up something! Your medical bill…I work, but I still can’t afford health insurance and I won’t be able to any more if this bill passes than I can now and that’s the situation many ‘American People’ are facing. Insisting we all get health insurance and then fining us if we don’t only goes to prove how out of touch with the American condition your truly are.

Sarah Palin: Folks, leave her alone. Stop picking apart everything she says and does. It just makes you look petty and small, and most of us grew out of that kind of conduct in grade school. I KNOW they are more constructive ways you can spend your time. I probably should have prefaced all of this with the fact that I don’t vote, haven’t in years, because I, like so many Americans feel if the election process isn’t corrupt, the politicians running for office surely are, and it really makes no difference who we ‘elect’….we’re doomed either way, but ….if she runs for presidency, I will, with wings on my feet, run to register to vote, for the first time in decades, to vote for her.

‘American People’…the working class, indeed, we are the back bone of this country, but we’re tired, we’re disillusioned, we’re losing faith and we’re fading fast. How much louder to do have to scream…Help Us?

One last note, I’m a Veteran. When you finally get around to ‘cutting spending’ leave our benefits the hell alone….we’ve already paid it forward.


nice, but a few different perspectives

PALIN QUIT,,, kind of making her status(in my opinion) less than electable for a higher office
leave her alone,,sure
vote her as President,, HELL NO

First Lady OBama.. has worked most of her life AND Takes care of her children and IN ADDITION to all that takes time (as is traditional for 'FIRST LADIES") to adopt an issue important to her to educate others about

which a certain first lady had the genius campaign of 'just say no", it may have been silly but it was hardly imposing of her to take up a cause that was important to her,,perhaps we all should

America is getting MORE AND MORE OBESE, so , yeah, OBAMA along with millions of other parents in this country is trying to get word out about being HEALTHIER...


Health Insurance, if you are a vet, why arent you already covered?
Beyond that , crap happens, if you cant afford insurance then you certainly cant afford the HOSPITAL BILL If something should happen to you,, so who do you suppose should pick up that cost?....

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Sat 02/12/11 01:32 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 02/12/11 01:34 PM
There is going to have to be cuts to spending, and EVERYONE is gonna claim legitimate reason that the cuts not happen to THEM....


The only place I Cant see cutting spending is Education which I think is in grave danger at this point in our history

everything should be ON THE TABLE, but Education should be the priority of things to continue investing in


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Sat 02/12/11 01:42 PM
I think the medicare system I have paid into for years should pick it up and I do not think I should be forced to purchase health insurance if I don't want it. and the government should have to compete with their product on the open market with commercial insurance companies to offer the best product that we should have the option (as we have the right) to choose, anything else is tyranny

I dont smoke I eat healthy and have no habits that contribute to ill health and I have no intention of paying for health insurance for people who do

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Sat 02/12/11 01:51 PM
Edited by AndyBgood on Sat 02/12/11 01:52 PM
First of all the GREATEST FAILURE OF OUR GOVERNMENT IS NO PERSONAL ACCOUNTABILITY! Political officials caught engaging in corruption should be PUT TO DEATH FOR ABUSE OF STATION AND PUBLIC TRUST! That will deter criminals or at least make them think twice before trying to fuque America for profit.

Likewise this accountability needs to extend to corporation's officers who engage in criminal activity. their protections must end!

Now for the War on Drugs. Let me be abundantly clear on this, people brewing bathtub Meth and Distributors and Smugglers need to get the death penalty as well. This should apply to all Manufactured Pharmaceuticals! Poisoning our country should be treated like attempted MURDER!

I met an old timer who was a Revenuer! He had some stories about the 1930s that were stunning like the fact all the "Busts" were more for show since making sure the bootleggers existed insured their job security. Many Revenuers were paid off or were bribed to not take out all the operations of the Bootleggers. It was job security for both sides! Same for the war on drugs. I knew a pot Smuggler who knew which boarder agents and when to drive through so they could get their cargoes across the border.

I think the sickest thing is how people overlook the cost of corruption within our own system as lost dollars. I have personally felt that the death penalty should apply to ANYONE in public office engaging in corruption. the only thing I could see sparing them that punishment is if they rolled over someone higher up the ladder!

There are way too many soft azzes sissy La-Las who don't have the balls to put their foot down and treat corruption the way it needs to be handled to deter people from abusing our public and collective trust. Humans only respond to anything they have to fear. When they have no fear they do anything they want to anyone for any reason.

Less Government and More personal accountability is what this nation needs! On top of that give aways and hand outs help no one. If food was delivered to a disaster cite along with financial help to get victims back on their feet is one thing. Hurricane Katrina and FEMA was an example of the failures of our welfare system with all of those Southern Trash Ghetto Dwellers soaking the Emergency housing to the point that over 80% had to be evicted from the temporary shelters TWO FULL YEARS AFTER THE HURRICANE HAD PASSED. Most of those azzholes spent the money they got from FEMA on vanity, not housing.

Ohio on he other hand managed without FEMA when they were slapped down with vicious flooding that had the exact same effects Hurricane Katrina had. Ohio happened RIGHT after Katrina and yet Ohio pulled their own weight while Louisianan cried for help and 'Government Money Checks!' What did Katrinians spend their money on? Boob Jobs, Trips, Gambling Jaunts, Cadillac Escalades, Big Screen TVs, and everything other than getting a new house! I hate New Orleans for a number of reasons! Corruption, not rebuilding on higher ground, misappropriation of funds, corrupt police, lying political officials, building a Sport's Stadium when they needed to fix their levees, and on top of that school buses were not good enough to evacuate the "Poor People," they had to have Greyhound Busses with Air Conditioning. Seven ships were provided for emergency shelters by several cruise lines and they were never used! I have no sympathy for Louisiana or New Orleans. I hope they get hit with back to back F5 Hurricanes soon. I want to see that city go under again. Why? Oh, they repaired the levees. And did so to F3 Hurricane specs becasue another F5 "won't" happen. I hope you fuquers are ready when Mother Nature proves you dumbasses wrong! Better stock up on boats! Your gonna need them when you get flooded out again!

Only real dumbasses live below sea level behind a man made wall trying to hold back the entire ocean!

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Sat 02/12/11 01:58 PM

I think the medicare system I have paid into for years should pick it up and I do not think I should be forced to purchase health insurance if I don't want it. and the government should have to compete with their product on the open market with commercial insurance companies to offer the best product that we should have the option (as we have the right) to choose, anything else is tyranny

I dont smoke I eat healthy and have no habits that contribute to ill health and I have no intention of paying for health insurance for people who do



health insurance doesnt just cover PREVENTABLE illness, it also covers SEVERE damage from unpreventable illness and Injuries from ACCIDENTS

hospitals and those with insurance shouldnt have to cover the cost of healthcare for those who didnt have insurance because they didnt think they would need healthcare,,,

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Sat 02/12/11 02:04 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 02/12/11 02:05 PM
Differences between OHIO and LOUISIANA

LOUISIANA - affected by a HURRICANE (water AND WINDS)
OHIO - affected by flooding

LOUISIANA - HIGH POVERTY CONCENTRATION in areas hit by HURRICANE
OHIO- Mostly suburban and middle class areas hit by flooding


LOUISIANA - damage increased due to DAMS BREAKING , allowing in additional floods of water

OHIO- no structural collapse to add to damage

LOUISIANA- above ground GRAVESITES adding to the environmental risks
OHIO- no such added environmental risks

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Sat 02/12/11 03:00 PM
Edited by willing2 on Sat 02/12/11 03:55 PM
The mucho junk-n-da-trunk Meeeshell need ta' be practicin' what she pushin'.

She packin' enough lard to supply a DC KFC for a year.shades

As far as expanding healthcare. All that would need to be done is add eligibility to Medicaid to a little higher income bracket.

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Sat 02/12/11 03:06 PM
Just can't help yourself, canya Willing?

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Sat 02/12/11 03:14 PM
the key word (and unknown to many AMericans) is PROPORTION

in terms of health, there is height WEIGHT proportion that has little to do with the size of hips or breasts but the PROPORTION of those measurements to others

that is why having a flatter butt is no more indicative of having a healthier body than haveing a rounder butt is of being unhealthy

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Sat 02/12/11 03:40 PM

Differences between OHIO and LOUISIANA

LOUISIANA - affected by a HURRICANE (water AND WINDS)
OHIO - affected by flooding

LOUISIANA - HIGH POVERTY CONCENTRATION in areas hit by HURRICANE
OHIO- Mostly suburban and middle class areas hit by flooding


LOUISIANA - damage increased due to DAMS BREAKING , allowing in additional floods of water

OHIO- no structural collapse to add to damage

LOUISIANA- above ground GRAVESITES adding to the environmental risks
OHIO- no such added environmental risks


Utter BULL****! A flood is a flood! New Orleans is below sea level and hides behind damns, so what? One more time, only a stupid idiot lives below sea level behind a sea wall and expects to be safe! Now a Levee and a dam are WAY WAY Different. Damns intentionally hold back water to reservoir it. Levees guide water away as in a canal or river.

And the area has a high concentration of Poverty? Why? I can tell you, WELFARE AND NO MANUFACTURING! New Orleans is more dependent on Tourism than anything else. It's Harbor if you can call it that isn't a real Port of Call either! I feel no sympathy with any welfare state! once upon a time it used to be a Booming Commerce city. Now it isn't anything more than a tourist destination where once a year women are allowed to flash bead covered boobies! The real port of call in the area is south of New Orleans. Another one is North of it.

Now as far as the poverty issue, it was the poor people soaking in all that FEMA money and FEMA housing that had to be evicted. Their actions, the statistics, ALL THE PROOF was presented in Louisiana about "Poor" people and their lifestyles. As long as they got a place to sleep and food in their bellies they are not motivated to work. Louisiana Poor MILKED FEMA for all it was worth.

Do not Compare Ohio under that light. Ohio has been grappling with unemployment just as high as Louisiana. They still managed to fend for themselves. On top of that Louisiana TAPPED FEMA Out of money!

Likewise don't try to compare a flood to a hurricane. Ohio did not have a damn burst. They had a really powerful and very fuqued up storm comparable to Katrina hit them and it did just as much damage to the area but you seem to conveniently forget Ohio got slammed JUST as hard a year later. Ohio had wind damage suspected tornadoes, lightning strikes, areas that froze after the storm, landslides, rivers overflowing the levees NOT BREAKING INADEQUATE LEVEES DESPERATELY IN NEED OF REPAIR! New Orleans was given several hundred million to fix their fuquing levees and they built a sports stadium with eth money and ignored the levees even when the ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS WARNED THEM IF THEY GOT HIT WITH AN F4 OR F5 HURRICANE THEY WERE IN DEEP SHITTE! "Oh but the chances of an F5 hurricane hitting New Orleans was nominal at best according," to local officials. Then along came Katrina!

Southern states have classically been nothing more than welfare mooches anyways! Ever since the Civil War many Southern States have been back funded by the fed to compensate for their lack of progress or building. States like Tenessee, Georgia, South Carolina, N and S Virgina and Florida have taken huge steps to build on themselves and although they grapple with a bad economy they are doing for themselves and have pride in themselves but states like Arkansas, Louisiana, and Alabama are steeped in corruption, behind the times, and are falling farther and farther behind because they can't see past their own noses! They still feel the rest of the Union owes them something for beating their azzes back into the Union. Those three states are too steeped in nepotism to ever achieve anything other than being poor! And worst is it is the people in the metropolitan areas who make it so by only voting for their welfare money instead of actually trying to clean up their act! Those three states are mooches off of the system! Hell, Alaska is frozen half of the year and they grapple with unemployment too but they are likewise doing for themselves! Pride is good when it motivates one to achieve. pride is a sin when it makes people justify not doing anything other than accept handouts to live.

One phrase that pisses me off more than anything else is when people say, "I can't get as much as the government gives me if I get a job!" I have heard that excuse a lot. I am sick of excuses. I want to see Louisiana to something right for a change. I would love to see them come down on their own corruption rather than wait until the FBI busts them for graft and fraud!

Sorry but your argument does not hold any water!

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Sat 02/12/11 03:42 PM


Differences between OHIO and LOUISIANA

LOUISIANA - affected by a HURRICANE (water AND WINDS)
OHIO - affected by flooding

LOUISIANA - HIGH POVERTY CONCENTRATION in areas hit by HURRICANE
OHIO- Mostly suburban and middle class areas hit by flooding


LOUISIANA - damage increased due to DAMS BREAKING , allowing in additional floods of water

OHIO- no structural collapse to add to damage

LOUISIANA- above ground GRAVESITES adding to the environmental risks
OHIO- no such added environmental risks


Utter BULL****! A flood is a flood! New Orleans is below sea level and hides behind damns, so what? One more time, only a stupid idiot lives below sea level behind a sea wall and expects to be safe! Now a Levee and a dam are WAY WAY Different. Damns intentionally hold back water to reservoir it. Levees guide water away as in a canal or river.

And the area has a high concentration of Poverty? Why? I can tell you, WELFARE AND NO MANUFACTURING! New Orleans is more dependent on Tourism than anything else. It's Harbor if you can call it that isn't a real Port of Call either! I feel no sympathy with any welfare state! once upon a time it used to be a Booming Commerce city. Now it isn't anything more than a tourist destination where once a year women are allowed to flash bead covered boobies! The real port of call in the area is south of New Orleans. Another one is North of it.

Now as far as the poverty issue, it was the poor people soaking in all that FEMA money and FEMA housing that had to be evicted. Their actions, the statistics, ALL THE PROOF was presented in Louisiana about "Poor" people and their lifestyles. As long as they got a place to sleep and food in their bellies they are not motivated to work. Louisiana Poor MILKED FEMA for all it was worth.

Do not Compare Ohio under that light. Ohio has been grappling with unemployment just as high as Louisiana. They still managed to fend for themselves. On top of that Louisiana TAPPED FEMA Out of money!

Likewise don't try to compare a flood to a hurricane. Ohio did not have a damn burst. They had a really powerful and very fuqued up storm comparable to Katrina hit them and it did just as much damage to the area but you seem to conveniently forget Ohio got slammed JUST as hard a year later. Ohio had wind damage suspected tornadoes, lightning strikes, areas that froze after the storm, landslides, rivers overflowing the levees NOT BREAKING INADEQUATE LEVEES DESPERATELY IN NEED OF REPAIR! New Orleans was given several hundred million to fix their fuquing levees and they built a sports stadium with eth money and ignored the levees even when the ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS WARNED THEM IF THEY GOT HIT WITH AN F4 OR F5 HURRICANE THEY WERE IN DEEP SHITTE! "Oh but the chances of an F5 hurricane hitting New Orleans was nominal at best according," to local officials. Then along came Katrina!

Southern states have classically been nothing more than welfare mooches anyways! Ever since the Civil War many Southern States have been back funded by the fed to compensate for their lack of progress or building. States like Tenessee, Georgia, South Carolina, N and S Virgina and Florida have taken huge steps to build on themselves and although they grapple with a bad economy they are doing for themselves and have pride in themselves but states like Arkansas, Louisiana, and Alabama are steeped in corruption, behind the times, and are falling farther and farther behind because they can't see past their own noses! They still feel the rest of the Union owes them something for beating their azzes back into the Union. Those three states are too steeped in nepotism to ever achieve anything other than being poor! And worst is it is the people in the metropolitan areas who make it so by only voting for their welfare money instead of actually trying to clean up their act! Those three states are mooches off of the system! Hell, Alaska is frozen half of the year and they grapple with unemployment too but they are likewise doing for themselves! Pride is good when it motivates one to achieve. pride is a sin when it makes people justify not doing anything other than accept handouts to live.

One phrase that pisses me off more than anything else is when people say, "I can't get as much as the government gives me if I get a job!" I have heard that excuse a lot. I am sick of excuses. I want to see Louisiana to something right for a change. I would love to see them come down on their own corruption rather than wait until the FBI busts them for graft and fraud!

Sorry but your argument does not hold any water!



OH BS! I am an Ohioan, I know Ohio weather and we dont have ANYTHING comparible to hurricanes, let alone the one that hit LOUSIANA

a flood compared to a hurricane is like comparing snowfall to an avalanche,,,,

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Sat 02/12/11 03:50 PM
Keep the debate civil. Please debate the topic at hand and not other members.

Kim

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Sat 02/12/11 03:51 PM
apologies Kim