Topic: Dear Politicians
willing2's photo
Fri 02/11/11 10:56 AM

Dear Politicians,

I keep hearing the phrase “American People” tossed around….here’s a perspective from one American Person. I’m willing to bet I’m not alone.

The deficit. There’s only one answer here….cut spending. Use the fine examples provided to you by many ‘American People’.

Many of us have had to learn to cut back, clip coupons, buy generic and sale items only, cut back on not only luxury items, but some necessities as well, and if we can’t pay with cash, do without, in short…. live within a budget. We’re buying things we need at garage sales, thrift and second hand stores when we can. We’re buying sale items only, researching to get every ounce of our dollars worth. We’re using things up until their worn out and then finding a way to fix them and use them some more.

Many ‘American People’ have elected to take a pay cut so other employees at their place of work can keep their jobs. Many more haven’t got paid overtime, gotten a pay raise, or a cost of living increase in years. A great place to start cutting spending is with your own salaries…not only do most of us feel you are paid waaaaaay too much, we think you should take a pay cut, be willing to do what so many ‘American People have done, who by the way, did not create this deficit in the first place…you did.

I work as a medical transcriptionist, predominantly in the psychiatric field. More and more in my work each week I’m transcribing reports about folks with no prior history of depression or suicidal tendencies who are feeling hopeless and helpless, indeed defeated, and feeling that suicide is their only way out. They’ve lost their jobs, with no hope for another one in sight. Many have lost their homes and their families as a result. Indeed, their ‘American Dream’ has been shattered.

Some thoughts on a few folks…

Joe Biden: Fat cat, blow hard. Perfect example of the problems in Washington.

John Boehner: Bless your heart for showing your sensitive side but………time to put aside the tissue box, grab that gavel, roll up your sleeves and get to work!

Nancy Pelosi: Pathetic. I can only feel pity for you. Here’s an idea, the next time you have thought, keep it to yourself.

First Lady Obama: Dining out, for a lot of folks now is a luxury, a treat, leave our menus the hell alone! It’s none of your business


You ever notice, you rarely get a butt shot of her. She has a strapped to it.


if I chose to eat a Big Mac Meal AND super-size it! Most restaurants already offer healthy alternatives, we’re just chosing not to take part, and that is OUR choice, not yours. The responsibility of seeing to it that kids eat healthy lies with their parents. So…you take care of yours, we’ll take care of ours!

President Obama: I can only shake my head at you and repeat the phrases I have so often shouted at the TV every time you speak…. Get a clue. Pick a side. Grow a spine.

His lack of experience is costing us dearly. His spine belongs to the special interest who paid for it.

Stand up something! Your medical bill…I work, but I still can’t afford health insurance and I won’t be able to any more if this bill passes than I can now and that’s the situation many ‘American People’ are facing. Insisting we all get health insurance and then fining us if we don’t only goes to prove how out of touch with the American condition your truly are.

Sarah Palin: Folks, leave her alone. Stop picking apart everything she says and does. It just makes you look petty and small, and most of us grew out of that kind of conduct in grade school.

The Extreme Lib. and Associates do that to distract from the REALITY of what Gov is up to.



I KNOW they are more constructive ways you can spend your time. I probably should have prefaced all of this with the fact that I don’t vote, haven’t in years, because I, like so many Americans feel if the election process isn’t corrupt, the politicians running for office surely are, and it really makes no difference who we ‘elect’….we’re doomed either way, but ….if she runs for presidency, I will, with wings on my feet, run to register to vote, for the first time in decades, to vote for her.

‘American People’…the working class, indeed, we are the back bone of this country, but we’re tired, we’re disillusioned, we’re losing faith and we’re fading fast. How much louder to do have to scream…Help Us?

One last note, I’m a Veteran. When you finally get around to ‘cutting spending’ leave our benefits the hell alone….we’ve already paid it forward.

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Fri 02/11/11 11:10 AM


Dear Politicians,

I keep hearing the phrase “American People” tossed around….here’s a perspective from one American Person. I’m willing to bet I’m not alone.

The deficit. There’s only one answer here….cut spending. Use the fine examples provided to you by many ‘American People’.

Many of us have had to learn to cut back, clip coupons, buy generic and sale items only, cut back on not only luxury items, but some necessities as well, and if we can’t pay with cash, do without, in short…. live within a budget. We’re buying things we need at garage sales, thrift and second hand stores when we can. We’re buying sale items only, researching to get every ounce of our dollars worth. We’re using things up until their worn out and then finding a way to fix them and use them some more.

Many ‘American People’ have elected to take a pay cut so other employees at their place of work can keep their jobs. Many more haven’t got paid overtime, gotten a pay raise, or a cost of living increase in years. A great place to start cutting spending is with your own salaries…not only do most of us feel you are paid waaaaaay too much, we think you should take a pay cut, be willing to do what so many ‘American People have done, who by the way, did not create this deficit in the first place…you did.

I work as a medical transcriptionist, predominantly in the psychiatric field. More and more in my work each week I’m transcribing reports about folks with no prior history of depression or suicidal tendencies who are feeling hopeless and helpless, indeed defeated, and feeling that suicide is their only way out. They’ve lost their jobs, with no hope for another one in sight. Many have lost their homes and their families as a result. Indeed, their ‘American Dream’ has been shattered.

Some thoughts on a few folks…

Joe Biden: Fat cat, blow hard. Perfect example of the problems in Washington.

John Boehner: Bless your heart for showing your sensitive side but………time to put aside the tissue box, grab that gavel, roll up your sleeves and get to work!

Nancy Pelosi: Pathetic. I can only feel pity for you. Here’s an idea, the next time you have thought, keep it to yourself.

First Lady Obama: Dining out, for a lot of folks now is a luxury, a treat, leave our menus the hell alone! It’s none of your business


You ever notice, you rarely get a butt shot of her. She has a strapped to it.


if I chose to eat a Big Mac Meal AND super-size it! Most restaurants already offer healthy alternatives, we’re just chosing not to take part, and that is OUR choice, not yours. The responsibility of seeing to it that kids eat healthy lies with their parents. So…you take care of yours, we’ll take care of ours!

President Obama: I can only shake my head at you and repeat the phrases I have so often shouted at the TV every time you speak…. Get a clue. Pick a side. Grow a spine.

His lack of experience is costing us dearly. His spine belongs to the special interest who paid for it.

Stand up something! Your medical bill…I work, but I still can’t afford health insurance and I won’t be able to any more if this bill passes than I can now and that’s the situation many ‘American People’ are facing. Insisting we all get health insurance and then fining us if we don’t only goes to prove how out of touch with the American condition your truly are.

Sarah Palin: Folks, leave her alone. Stop picking apart everything she says and does. It just makes you look petty and small, and most of us grew out of that kind of conduct in grade school.

The Extreme Lib. and Associates do that to distract from the REALITY of what Gov is up to.



I KNOW they are more constructive ways you can spend your time. I probably should have prefaced all of this with the fact that I don’t vote, haven’t in years, because I, like so many Americans feel if the election process isn’t corrupt, the politicians running for office surely are, and it really makes no difference who we ‘elect’….we’re doomed either way, but ….if she runs for presidency, I will, with wings on my feet, run to register to vote, for the first time in decades, to vote for her.

‘American People’…the working class, indeed, we are the back bone of this country, but we’re tired, we’re disillusioned, we’re losing faith and we’re fading fast. How much louder to do have to scream…Help Us?

One last note, I’m a Veteran. When you finally get around to ‘cutting spending’ leave our benefits the hell alone….we’ve already paid it forward.



While I do not like making fun of people for their physical attributes or lack thereof....I did see a a view of the first lady's backside. Gives a whole new meaning to 'tend to your own backyard'.

no photo
Fri 02/11/11 11:14 AM
Let me guess. You're TRYING to be offensive. I get it.

no photo
Fri 02/11/11 11:20 AM

Let me guess. You're TRYING to be offensive. I get it.


I'm not sure who this is directed at...but as for me...I'm not trying to be offensive, that, of course, is against forum rules... :wink: Just driving home the point that the FL needs to take care of her own nutrition and leave the rest of us to tend to ours.

AndyBgood's photo
Fri 02/11/11 11:45 AM

The deficit.


Increased, from a budget surplus when Bush took office, five times over the span of the Bush Admin.


Steaming load! Clinton's Deregulation of Lending set the stage for the disaster we have!

AndyBgood's photo
Fri 02/11/11 11:48 AM

Many of us have had to learn to cut back, clip coupons, buy generic and sale items only, cut back on not only luxury items, but some necessities as well, and if we can’t pay with cash, do without, in short…. live within a budget. We’re buying things we need at garage sales, thrift and second hand stores when we can. We’re buying sale items only, researching to get every ounce of our dollars worth. We’re using things up until their worn out and then finding a way to fix them and use them some more.

Many ‘American People’ have elected to take a pay cut so other employees at their place of work can keep their jobs. Many more haven’t got paid overtime, gotten a pay raise, or a cost of living increase in years. A great place to start cutting spending is with your own salaries…not only do most of us feel you are paid waaaaaay too much, we think you should take a pay cut, be willing to do what so many ‘American People have done, who by the way, did not create this deficit in the first place…you did.




This has been happening for years. You can't blame the current Admin for this. Esp. considering the last one nearly ruined the country.
Remember Obama was left this mess. He didn't create it!

Despite this however,
If you are working overtime without getting paid for it. Either your employer is breaking the law, or you have only your self to blame.
That isn't anyone's fault but your own. Report your employer, it's a law. Grow a spine and stand up for your rights.

This is the reality!




OK, then rationalize TARP for us! How about what Obamacare really represents to America? How about that one? Not blame the current administration? So if you are driving a car you know has no brakes and drive it into tree who do we blame? The car? The tree it hits? Or do we blame the guy driving? Who is in the driver seat? Obama and cronies.

Time to wake up, coffee is brewing!

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Fri 02/11/11 12:05 PM
Edited by artlo on Fri 02/11/11 12:07 PM
I'm not sure who this is directed at
That was directed at somebody called Willing
Steaming load! Clinton's Deregulation of Lending set the stage for the disaster we have!
What Clinton deregulation would that be? Gramm, Leach and Blilely are all Republicans.
OK, then rationalize TARP for us!
I'll tell you what I think about stimulus spending. Every dollar that goes through the Government is a jobs dollar. That is because every dollar that goes through Government is destined to become somebody's income. The Bush/Paulson bank bailout was a jobs program for bank executives and Wall Street traders. The Obama/Geithner LOAN to GM (now repaid) was a jobs program for middle class working people.
How about what Obamacare really represents to America?
What DOES Obamacare represent to America?
Not blame the current administration?
I DO give President Obama credit for Obamacare. That's why it pleases me to have it referred to as "Obamacare.
Time to wake up, coffee is brewing!
Yup! I agree.

AndyBgood's photo
Fri 02/11/11 06:58 PM

I'm not sure who this is directed at
That was directed at somebody called Willing
Steaming load! Clinton's Deregulation of Lending set the stage for the disaster we have!
What Clinton deregulation would that be? Gramm, Leach and Blilely are all Republicans.
OK, then rationalize TARP for us!
I'll tell you what I think about stimulus spending. Every dollar that goes through the Government is a jobs dollar. That is because every dollar that goes through Government is destined to become somebody's income. The Bush/Paulson bank bailout was a jobs program for bank executives and Wall Street traders. The Obama/Geithner LOAN to GM (now repaid) was a jobs program for middle class working people.
How about what Obamacare really represents to America?
What DOES Obamacare represent to America?
Not blame the current administration?
I DO give President Obama credit for Obamacare. That's why it pleases me to have it referred to as "Obamacare.
Time to wake up, coffee is brewing!
Yup! I agree.



Is this an attempt at sarcasm?noway

What are you trying to say here? Every government dollar spent is Jobs? What are you smoking? I want some. You got to be pretty stoned to say crap like that. Government COSTS money! It does not make it other than to print it! Trade makes money. Manufacturing makes money. Speculation and Government spending makes NO money!

Where did you study economics?

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Fri 02/11/11 07:20 PM




Sarah Palin: Folks, leave her alone. Stop picking apart everything she says and does. It just makes you look petty and small, and most of us grew out of that kind of conduct in grade school. I KNOW they are more constructive ways you can spend your time. I probably should have prefaced all of this with the fact that I don’t vote, haven’t in years, because I, like so many Americans feel if the election process isn’t corrupt, the politicians running for office surely are, and it really makes no difference who we ‘elect’….we’re doomed either way, but ….if she runs for presidency, I will, with wings on my feet, run to register to vote, for the first time in decades, to vote for her.



Reading this post makes me want to say something I always think every time I read or hear a Tea Party supporter,
Get a clue.

Sarah Palin has to be the most unintelligent woman I've ever heard speak, and Tea Party supporters, the most uninformed and easily manipulated.
Don't you know the Tea Party, the ones you think are a grassroots movement of everyday people, are financed and their organizational leaders trained, by the Koch brothers and Robert Murdoch?
Three of the richest and politically motivated men in the world.

I'm shaking my head now. From one Vet to another, Get a Clue!
Please.

Why is it that Pessimism seems to be a common trait amongst Tea Partiers?
What's wrong with this country is the complacent attitudes taken by the many who never exercised their right to vote.
Now they want to gripe about how things have turned out.


Not sure where I said I was a Tea Party Supporter anywhere. what I don't follow a particular political affiliation because I think they're all flawed/misguided in some form or fashion. I never said I never voted. Indeed, I did at one time when I still believed it actually made a difference to do so. Present me with a candidate of any affiliation I can trust to do what they say will, I'll gladly vote.

Please do not insult my vet status. You well know as a fellow vet, those of who have served, are serving, indeed, 'have a clue'.

This is not pessimism, it's realism.

The progressive liberal and 'liberal affiliated' will always attempt to put down posters and attempt to profess a 'smarter than thou' attitude.

For some reason, they are allowed this leeway.


haha..

the leftist ranks are full of useful idiots. every time a leftist regime takes hold it ends in either millions dead or financial ruin.

it is hard to imagine a more failed ideology than theirs.

i'm watching a show on cults...

autocrats brainwashing the useful idiots into giving up all their possessions so they can all be equal. what the useful idiots don't realize is that the autocrat is living large on the fruits of their labor. then they all end up dead.

leftist utopia..

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Fri 02/11/11 07:24 PM
Edited by artlo on Fri 02/11/11 07:29 PM
What are you trying to say here? Every government dollar spent is Jobs?
Do you deny that every dollar becomes somebody's income? The answer is yes.
You got to be pretty stoned to say crap like that. Government COSTS money!
You seem to believe that money that goes to the Government disappears. Never to be seen again. That's not true. Every penny gets spent, one way or another. Government re-distributes money. For example, I pay taxes to the government. The government takes the money I gave to it and spends it on stimulus money to pay people to build roads, bridges, etc. Hope that clears this up.
It does not make it other than to print it!
This is true. there is one and only one place in our economy where money is created, new money that didn't exist before. That takes place in the transaction that takes place between the commercial banks and the Federal Reserve when somebody takes out a bank loan. I don't remember the math that I learned about this, but it is the truth. This is not necessarily a bad thing. It need not cause inflation. Inflation is defined as too much money chasing too few goods. That means that, so long as productivity keeps up with the growth of the money supply, there will be no inflation. It's a good thing that new money can be created. Can you imagine our economy functioning with the same amount of money that existed in 1776?
Trade makes money. Manufacturing makes money.
Not exactly true. Trade moves money. Only borrowing creates money. Manufacturing does not create money unless it is accomplished through borrowing. It creates value that is realized only when it is sold.
Speculation and Government spending makes NO money!
Speculation and Government spending is not supposed to make money. Government spending is supposed to redistribute money to where it will stimulate demand, which will stimulate commerce, which will necessitate borrowing, which will create money.
Where did you study economics?
I studied Economics in my Graduate MBA program at Portland State University.
What are you smoking? I want some
I am a strong supporter of the movement to legalize all drugs.

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Fri 02/11/11 07:30 PM

Here's something to ponder, lilbug. Much of that you say is mirrored by what the Egyptian people are saying about their government. In many respects, our situations ARE similar. Perhaps what's needed is a "revolt" similar to the one they're staging in Egypt, but not simply a revolt again the President, but a revolt against ALL elected officials. Just a thought.
drinker

AdventureBegins's photo
Fri 02/11/11 07:41 PM
Printing a piece of paper and calling it money is called conterfieting for a reason... It devalues the actual money in the measured market...

Printing money with no actual value backing that money up is CONTERFIETING... with the same result as if a criminal had done it.

Stimulus is when you pump money into a market that is not in that market by value (i.e. someone worked to create it within the measured market).

Stimulus is not 're-directing' money that allready exists within a measured market... Stimulus is placing a devalued 'counterfiet' money within that market... to much stimulus while colapse the measured market or make it 'worthless' to the point that 'investment' from outside will not occur.

Re-directing money in a measured market is STEALING from one group by fiat and giving it to another that has not earned it.

I may not have a 'degree' in economics but I have studied enough macro-economics to know that this is not good economics... A small amount of 'stimulus' can be a good thing... 'Stimulating' with a worthless or devalued 'money' in LARGE amounts causes MACRO-ECONOMIC colapse within the larger market.

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Fri 02/11/11 07:48 PM
Printing a piece of paper and calling it money is called conterfieting for a reason... It devalues the actual money in the measured market...

Printing money with no actual value backing that money up is CONTERFIETING... with the same result as if a criminal had done it.

Stimulus is when you pump money into a market that is not in that market by value (i.e. someone worked to create it within the measured market).

Stimulus is not 're-directing' money that allready exists within a measured market... Stimulus is placing a devalued 'counterfiet' money within that market... to much stimulus while colapse the measured market or make it 'worthless' to the point that 'investment' from outside will not occur.

Re-directing money in a measured market is STEALING from one group by fiat and giving it to another that has not earned it.

I may not have a 'degree' in economics but I have studied enough macro-economics to know that this is not good economics... A small amount of 'stimulus' can be a good thing... 'Stimulating' with a worthless or devalued 'money' in LARGE amounts causes MACRO-ECONOMIC colapse within the larger market.
No, I can see that you don't have a degree in Economics. Well, we're just back to opinions, and i think my opinions are better than yours.

AdventureBegins's photo
Fri 02/11/11 08:00 PM

Printing a piece of paper and calling it money is called conterfieting for a reason... It devalues the actual money in the measured market...

Printing money with no actual value backing that money up is CONTERFIETING... with the same result as if a criminal had done it.

Stimulus is when you pump money into a market that is not in that market by value (i.e. someone worked to create it within the measured market).

Stimulus is not 're-directing' money that allready exists within a measured market... Stimulus is placing a devalued 'counterfiet' money within that market... to much stimulus while colapse the measured market or make it 'worthless' to the point that 'investment' from outside will not occur.

Re-directing money in a measured market is STEALING from one group by fiat and giving it to another that has not earned it.

I may not have a 'degree' in economics but I have studied enough macro-economics to know that this is not good economics... A small amount of 'stimulus' can be a good thing... 'Stimulating' with a worthless or devalued 'money' in LARGE amounts causes MACRO-ECONOMIC colapse within the larger market.
No, I can see that you don't have a degree in Economics. Well, we're just back to opinions, and i think my opinions are better than yours.



It was people with degree's in economics that got us in this mess... That coupled with the greed that is rampant in congress, the senate, international corporations and many,many people that thought wall street was a playground for gamblers.

As far as you 'i can see that you arn't educated'. If the 2 semesters that I spent studying MACRO-ECONOMICS were teaching me the truth...

ECONOMISTS with degrees have VIOLATED every market 'rule' for a stable economy for roughly 20 years now...

smoke that.

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Fri 02/11/11 09:22 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Fri 02/11/11 09:25 PM


Many of us have had to learn to cut back, clip coupons, buy generic and sale items only, cut back on not only luxury items, but some necessities as well, and if we can’t pay with cash, do without, in short…. live within a budget. We’re buying things we need at garage sales, thrift and second hand stores when we can. We’re buying sale items only, researching to get every ounce of our dollars worth. We’re using things up until their worn out and then finding a way to fix them and use them some more.

Many ‘American People’ have elected to take a pay cut so other employees at their place of work can keep their jobs. Many more haven’t got paid overtime, gotten a pay raise, or a cost of living increase in years. A great place to start cutting spending is with your own salaries…not only do most of us feel you are paid waaaaaay too much, we think you should take a pay cut, be willing to do what so many ‘American People have done, who by the way, did not create this deficit in the first place…you did.




This has been happening for years. You can't blame the current Admin for this. Esp. considering the last one nearly ruined the country.
Remember Obama was left this mess. He didn't create it!

Despite this however,
If you are working overtime without getting paid for it. Either your employer is breaking the law, or you have only your self to blame.
That isn't anyone's fault but your own. Report your employer, it's a law. Grow a spine and stand up for your rights.

This is the reality!




OK, then rationalize TARP for us! How about what Obamacare really represents to America? How about that one? Not blame the current administration? So if you are driving a car you know has no brakes and drive it into tree who do we blame? The car? The tree it hits? Or do we blame the guy driving? Who is in the driver seat? Obama and cronies.

Time to wake up, coffee is brewing!


Which TARP?
The one that had no oversight or accountability which Bush signed into law or the one with all the checks, balances, accountability, and oversight that Obama signed.

I don't drive cars without brakes and Obama doesn't either.

Bush took office with a budget surplus. The surplus was being applied towards the deficit. Eight years, two wars later, and trickle down economics, whoala, the deficit had increased 5 times what it was when he took office.

Trickle down economics is like driving a car without brakes. Blame who or what you want but there is a big difference between inheriting a budget surplus and inheriting the worse economic catastrophe this country has faced since the Great Depression.

AndyBgood's photo
Sat 02/12/11 10:35 AM



Many of us have had to learn to cut back, clip coupons, buy generic and sale items only, cut back on not only luxury items, but some necessities as well, and if we can’t pay with cash, do without, in short…. live within a budget. We’re buying things we need at garage sales, thrift and second hand stores when we can. We’re buying sale items only, researching to get every ounce of our dollars worth. We’re using things up until their worn out and then finding a way to fix them and use them some more.

Many ‘American People’ have elected to take a pay cut so other employees at their place of work can keep their jobs. Many more haven’t got paid overtime, gotten a pay raise, or a cost of living increase in years. A great place to start cutting spending is with your own salaries…not only do most of us feel you are paid waaaaaay too much, we think you should take a pay cut, be willing to do what so many ‘American People have done, who by the way, did not create this deficit in the first place…you did.




This has been happening for years. You can't blame the current Admin for this. Esp. considering the last one nearly ruined the country.
Remember Obama was left this mess. He didn't create it!

Despite this however,
If you are working overtime without getting paid for it. Either your employer is breaking the law, or you have only your self to blame.
That isn't anyone's fault but your own. Report your employer, it's a law. Grow a spine and stand up for your rights.

This is the reality!




OK, then rationalize TARP for us! How about what Obamacare really represents to America? How about that one? Not blame the current administration? So if you are driving a car you know has no brakes and drive it into tree who do we blame? The car? The tree it hits? Or do we blame the guy driving? Who is in the driver seat? Obama and cronies.

Time to wake up, coffee is brewing!


Which TARP?
The one that had no oversight or accountability which Bush signed into law or the one with all the checks, balances, accountability, and oversight that Obama signed.

I don't drive cars without brakes and Obama doesn't either.

Bush took office with a budget surplus. The surplus was being applied towards the deficit. Eight years, two wars later, and trickle down economics, whoala, the deficit had increased 5 times what it was when he took office.

Trickle down economics is like driving a car without brakes. Blame who or what you want but there is a big difference between inheriting a budget surplus and inheriting the worse economic catastrophe this country has faced since the Great Depression.


First and foremost there was never a budget surplus. America was in the red in the Bush years (Sr. and Jr.) hence the borrowing from China to prop up our TWO attacks on Iraq. Funny how supposedly Clinton left us with a surplus. That is utter fiction.

Also trickle down economics does not work nor has it ever worked! Money only flows UP not down! Now TARP under bush was not as large a give away as Obama.

On top of that Obama drove the deficit to new heights. Not Bush. America has not been in the black since the early 1950's. things really began to roll with the economics of the 1970s. Ronald Regan only forestalled the inevitable during his presidency. Ever since Peanuts Carter (Almost the worst president ever!) everything has been on a gradual down hill slide.

You would do yourself a great favor trying to be more objective than passionate about the Liberal Agenda. You are so busy trying to single out Republicans you cannot see the evil within the DNC and therefore your arguments are biased, jaded, and based more on speculation than real historical fact.

NOT ONE SINGLE THING OBAMA HAS DONE HAS MADE ANY FINANCIAL SENSE. Obama has not enacted one single act of real change. Obama also sold us out to health care insurance and seals like you see Obama hold up a fish on TV and you suddenly and inexplicably start slapping your fins together!

And this makes you more credible than me or anyone else how exactly?

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Sat 02/12/11 10:45 AM

I probably should have prefaced all of this with the fact that I don’t vote,



yes it does not say NEVER voted and I like Sarah Palin also - she can't be completely dumm to come as far as she has

AndyBgood's photo
Sat 02/12/11 10:50 AM

What are you trying to say here? Every government dollar spent is Jobs?
Do you deny that every dollar becomes somebody's income? The answer is yes.
You got to be pretty stoned to say crap like that. Government COSTS money!
You seem to believe that money that goes to the Government disappears. Never to be seen again. That's not true. Every penny gets spent, one way or another. Government re-distributes money. For example, I pay taxes to the government. The government takes the money I gave to it and spends it on stimulus money to pay people to build roads, bridges, etc. Hope that clears this up.
It does not make it other than to print it!
This is true. there is one and only one place in our economy where money is created, new money that didn't exist before. That takes place in the transaction that takes place between the commercial banks and the Federal Reserve when somebody takes out a bank loan. I don't remember the math that I learned about this, but it is the truth. This is not necessarily a bad thing. It need not cause inflation. Inflation is defined as too much money chasing too few goods. That means that, so long as productivity keeps up with the growth of the money supply, there will be no inflation. It's a good thing that new money can be created. Can you imagine our economy functioning with the same amount of money that existed in 1776?
Trade makes money. Manufacturing makes money.
Not exactly true. Trade moves money. Only borrowing creates money. Manufacturing does not create money unless it is accomplished through borrowing. It creates value that is realized only when it is sold.
Speculation and Government spending makes NO money!
Speculation and Government spending is not supposed to make money. Government spending is supposed to redistribute money to where it will stimulate demand, which will stimulate commerce, which will necessitate borrowing, which will create money.
Where did you study economics?
I studied Economics in my Graduate MBA program at Portland State University.
What are you smoking? I want some
I am a strong supporter of the movement to legalize all drugs.


Look, for every dollar Government gets at least THREE are lost to corruption. On top of that for every dollar government gets it cost US for them to process that money adding to the escalation of cost of operation! And if you think Welfare is doing any good? Frankly my friend you are one real lost individual. Welfare has only fueled alcoholism, laziness, and drug abuse! Social programs only get milked and Hurricane Katrina and FEMA was PROOF POSITIVE OF THE FAILURES OF THE SYSTEM!

Likewise I am not impressed with an MBA! Talk about something as worthless as a Liberal Arts Degree! I deal with Experts all the time and 90% of them are know it All shitte heads who really know nothing. The government engages in Velbin Spending. Hope you don't have to look that term up on Wikipedia! I took Micro And Macro economics (One semester each) and was studying Engineering but Economic forces took me out of school because homeless and starving as a college student makes no sense! Likewise I am deep in the trenches of the business world and frankly the nepotism in our society runs super deep!

So becasue you got an MBA you suddenly are smarter than all the rest of us! I am facing a situation where the odds are stacked against me and I am dragging myself slowly out of a hole the economy dug for us all. I have to juggle my budget creatively just to keep any money in the bank at all. I know what works and what doesn't financially. And I am supposed to pay for Obama care with what money? The money I use to eat with? How about my fuel budget? I got to give up getting to my work to pay for Obamacare? And sine I don't have the money to pay I am supposed to pay a $2500 fine each year of money I don't have?

Yep, you are SO much more enlightened than the rest of us. Well Mr. Economics, how about this? If the American Government was a business, How many of its own laws are they in breach of the way they operate? I'll answer that for you, IF the American Government were held to a legal standard they would be all in prison right now and their assets seized! Not one singe business here short of the privileged few are allowed to operate like the American Government (Like GM for example!).

Frikken Arm Chair Experts! God they are as Numerous as stars in the night time sky!

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Let me guess. You're TRYING to be offensive. I get it.


I'm not sure who this is directed at...but as for me...I'm not trying to be offensive, that, of course, is against forum rules... :wink: Just driving home the point that the FL needs to take care of her own nutrition and leave the rest of us to tend to ours.

she's prolly trying to champion a cause as First Ladies are supposed to. but what I do wish she'd champion is a cost saving

by drastically reducing the embarrasingly large size of her personal staff

what the he11 does she need a personal staff for - she's a housewife - no one elected HER

and as for her hubbie, yes, we are suffering greatly from his lack of experience, business acumen, and diplomatic savvy - tho he seems well intentioned - good intentions aren't enuff - and that's about all he has - except for a wife that over spends

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Oh, and as far as legalizing ALL drugs, lets all open the floodgates to hell. And I suppose you would condone your children doing Meth or Heroin?

Time to pull your head out of your azz! You know less than you come off. I have lost friends to both drugs. Marijuana is one thing, manufactured drugs are FAR more dangerous! When you have to deal with drug addicts let us know. Hope you like them stealing everything you own to feed the monkey!