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Topic: Dear Politicians
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Sun 02/13/11 04:34 PM
There was an autobiography on Discovery that mentioned this, same is two of my college text books. FDR had Polio, he was bound to a wheel chair in the last two terms of his four terms. During his last term he was so incapacitated his wife had to call the shots for him. This was hidden for years becasue at the time had it become public knowledge it would have crushed the Democratic Convention and the public trust in a "healthy and sound" president calling all the shots. FDR died in office of a cerebral hemorrhage. Likewise his daughter had been helping him a lot on his affairs. FDR's condition was a CLOSELY guarded secret for a long time
FDR's polio is well-known history. I've never heard that polio causes any kind of mental disability like Alzheimers does. I've never heard that polio would affect a person's intellectual ability to perform the duties of the President of the United States. I have never heard that Elenor was called on to perform any of these duties. Have you heard anything like this? I know that there is widespread suspicion that President Reagan's Alzheimer's disease may have presented such challenges, but I have never heard this about FDR's polio.
I got to wonder why it is everything has to become a race issue with Liberals!
What prompted this remark? It seems to me that this is a patented knee-jerk opinion when Conservatives can't seem to come up with anything real to say.

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Sun 02/13/11 04:35 PM
all racism is bigotry but not all bigotry is racist

Artlo made a comment about bigotry, I wonder why some automatically assumed he meant race?

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Sun 02/13/11 05:28 PM

True hypocritical liberal fashion: Mrs O claims to be for better eating habits. Look at what they grubbed on during Superbowl Sunday, some of the most unhealthy foods known to man.

Aye...

Me also... Superbowl Sunday... Grubbed on some real good tastey vittles that ain't no way good for me...

So what?

Just because she's the First Lady means she can't grub out on the occasional football sunday?

What did you eat on that day? Tofu?

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Sun 02/13/11 07:33 PM

all racism is bigotry but not all bigotry is racist

Artlo made a comment about bigotry, I wonder why some automatically assumed he meant race?


because they are liberally used reflexively!:banana:

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Mon 02/14/11 04:59 AM
Edited by artlo on Mon 02/14/11 05:07 AM
This is a point that I've been kicking myself for not having made at the time. So, I decided to double back and pick it up.
Likewise I am not impressed with an MBA! Talk about something as worthless as a Liberal Arts Degree! I deal with Experts all the time and 90% of them are know it All shitte heads who really know nothing. The government engages in Velbin Spending. Hope you don't have to look that term up on Wikipedia! I took Micro And Macro economics (One semester each) and was studying Engineering but Economic forces took me out of school because homeless and starving as a college student makes no sense! Likewise I am deep in the trenches of the business world and frankly the nepotism in our society runs super deep!

So becasue you got an MBA you suddenly are smarter than all the rest of us! I am facing a situation where the odds are stacked against me and I am dragging myself slowly out of a hole the economy dug for us all. I have to juggle my budget creatively just to keep any money in the bank at all. I know what works and what doesn't financially. And I am supposed to pay for Obama care with what money? The money I use to eat with? How about my fuel budget? I got to give up getting to my work to pay for Obamacare? And sine I don't have the money to pay I am supposed to pay a $2500 fine each year of money I don't have?
Before Ronald Reagan, it was cheap and easy to get a lot of education. I think that that was good for America. I think that that is one of the reasons that the economy was so robust. I think that that is one of reasons that America had a large and robust middle class. I think that that is one of the reasons that America used to be the greatest nation on earth.

People who are under, say, 40 yrs old have spent their entire lives of political awareness in Ronald Reagan's America, and they think that that is the way that the world is, and should be. They haven't a clue about the achievements of the period between 1945 and 1980. It is not their fault, but this is why people are known for having such short memories and do not learn the lessons of the past. A generation dies out and their historical memory goes with it.

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Mon 02/14/11 05:20 AM

This is a point that I've been kicking myself for not having made at the time. So, I decided to double back and pick it up.
Likewise I am not impressed with an MBA! Talk about something as worthless as a Liberal Arts Degree! I deal with Experts all the time and 90% of them are know it All shitte heads who really know nothing. The government engages in Velbin Spending. Hope you don't have to look that term up on Wikipedia! I took Micro And Macro economics (One semester each) and was studying Engineering but Economic forces took me out of school because homeless and starving as a college student makes no sense! Likewise I am deep in the trenches of the business world and frankly the nepotism in our society runs super deep!

So becasue you got an MBA you suddenly are smarter than all the rest of us! I am facing a situation where the odds are stacked against me and I am dragging myself slowly out of a hole the economy dug for us all. I have to juggle my budget creatively just to keep any money in the bank at all. I know what works and what doesn't financially. And I am supposed to pay for Obama care with what money? The money I use to eat with? How about my fuel budget? I got to give up getting to my work to pay for Obamacare? And sine I don't have the money to pay I am supposed to pay a $2500 fine each year of money I don't have?
Before Ronald Reagan, it was cheap and easy to get a lot of education. I think that that was good for America. I think that that is one of the reasons that the economy was so robust. I think that that is one of reasons that America had a large and robust middle class. I think that that is one of the reasons that America used to be the greatest nation on earth.

People who are under, say, 40 yrs old have spent their entire lives of political awareness in Ronald Reagan's America, and they think that that is the way that the world is, and should be. They haven't a clue about the achievements of the period between 1945 and 1980. It is not their fault, but this is why people are known for having such short memories and do not learn the lessons of the past. A generation dies out and their historical memory goes with it.


The middle class pre 1980 was not made up of people with degrees. You didn't need a degree to work in a factory or a mill. I think that fact that you could walk out of your high school graduation and get a good paying job is one of the main reasons we fell behind the rest of the world in regards to the numbers of highly educated people. As the manufacturing sector shrunk you saw the job market flooded with people that had a certain set of job skills, that didn't translate into the higher tech job market. You didn't see 40 year olds going to college to change career fields you saw them floundering in **** jobs to make ends meet. The cost of college rose with everything else. You see a sharp increase in college tuition at state schools because the states need more money. This cycle had nothing to do with Reagan, it was inevitable.

Students in the UK went to college for free, that is no longer the case as they can no longer afford to cover the costs. That is why the riots occurred last month.

The entitlement game is good when the economy can sustain it, but when it can't all good things must come to an end..

What are your thoughts on Obama cutting money from the PELL grant program?


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Mon 02/14/11 05:44 AM
The middle class pre 1980 was not made up of people with degrees. You didn't need a degree to work in a factory or a mill. I think that fact that you could walk out of your high school graduation and get a good paying job is one of the main reasons we fell behind the rest of the world in regards to the numbers of highly educated people.
No. That was the reason that the CHILDREN of all those less-educated people were poised to continue America's pre-eminence in the world. Ronald Reagan stopped that cold. Higher education was free in California before him. A rough quote from him is, 'Why should I provide free education to students so that they will have time to go out and protest my policies'?
As the manufacturing sector shrunk you saw the job market flooded with people that had a certain set of job skills, that didn't translate into the higher tech job market. You didn't see 40 year olds going to college to change career fields you saw them floundering in **** jobs to make ends meet.
The manufacturing sector didn't shrink until Bill Clinton and NAFTA. Ross Perot was right!.
The cost of college rose with everything else. You see a sharp increase in college tuition at state schools because the states need more money.
Of course the states needed more money! Reagan's tax cuts for the rich created huge holes in Federal spending and the states had to make up the difference. we are seeing the identical scenario today.
Students in the UK went to college for free, that is no longer the case as they can no longer afford to cover the costs.
And that all started with Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan in drag.


What are your thoughts on Obama cutting money from the PELL grant program?
If America can find its way back to a leading stature on the foundation of high school graduates and people with a few Community College graduates with Associates degrees, it might work out. with worldwide competition, I don't think the odds are very good

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Mon 02/14/11 06:48 AM
Edited by msharmony on Mon 02/14/11 06:50 AM

The middle class pre 1980 was not made up of people with degrees. You didn't need a degree to work in a factory or a mill. I think that fact that you could walk out of your high school graduation and get a good paying job is one of the main reasons we fell behind the rest of the world in regards to the numbers of highly educated people.
No. That was the reason that the CHILDREN of all those less-educated people were poised to continue America's pre-eminence in the world. Ronald Reagan stopped that cold. Higher education was free in California before him. A rough quote from him is, 'Why should I provide free education to students so that they will have time to go out and protest my policies'?
As the manufacturing sector shrunk you saw the job market flooded with people that had a certain set of job skills, that didn't translate into the higher tech job market. You didn't see 40 year olds going to college to change career fields you saw them floundering in **** jobs to make ends meet.
The manufacturing sector didn't shrink until Bill Clinton and NAFTA. Ross Perot was right!.
The cost of college rose with everything else. You see a sharp increase in college tuition at state schools because the states need more money.
Of course the states needed more money! Reagan's tax cuts for the rich created huge holes in Federal spending and the states had to make up the difference. we are seeing the identical scenario today.
Students in the UK went to college for free, that is no longer the case as they can no longer afford to cover the costs.
And that all started with Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan in drag.


What are your thoughts on Obama cutting money from the PELL grant program?
If America can find its way back to a leading stature on the foundation of high school graduates and people with a few Community College graduates with Associates degrees, it might work out. with worldwide competition, I don't think the odds are very good


I think America has to find its way 'back' to traditional roles and values that put FAMILY first as opposed to 'wealth' and turn off the idiot boxes and get back to the library.


I think we first started to 'fail' when we started to see a need for both parents to work, leaving very little supervision for children beyond what the media or the school system chose to teach them.

Add to that an OVERABUNDANCE of mindless television and 'opinion based' news sources(both written and visual)and internet misinformation that people take as 'truth' and the tendency to seek instant gratification with our information

I think those three changes would cause DRASTIC improvement to the state of our childrens education.

we truly turned from a society about community and family to a society of 'me' , and it is affecting all aspects of our lives, from our health to our education...

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Mon 02/14/11 09:29 AM

The middle class pre 1980 was not made up of people with degrees. You didn't need a degree to work in a factory or a mill. I think that fact that you could walk out of your high school graduation and get a good paying job is one of the main reasons we fell behind the rest of the world in regards to the numbers of highly educated people.
No. That was the reason that the CHILDREN of all those less-educated people were poised to continue America's pre-eminence in the world. Ronald Reagan stopped that cold. Higher education was free in California before him. A rough quote from him is, 'Why should I provide free education to students so that they will have time to go out and protest my policies'?
As the manufacturing sector shrunk you saw the job market flooded with people that had a certain set of job skills, that didn't translate into the higher tech job market. You didn't see 40 year olds going to college to change career fields you saw them floundering in **** jobs to make ends meet.
The manufacturing sector didn't shrink until Bill Clinton and NAFTA. Ross Perot was right!.
The cost of college rose with everything else. You see a sharp increase in college tuition at state schools because the states need more money.
Of course the states needed more money! Reagan's tax cuts for the rich created huge holes in Federal spending and the states had to make up the difference. we are seeing the identical scenario today.
Students in the UK went to college for free, that is no longer the case as they can no longer afford to cover the costs.
And that all started with Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan in drag.


What are your thoughts on Obama cutting money from the PELL grant program?
If America can find its way back to a leading stature on the foundation of high school graduates and people with a few Community College graduates with Associates degrees, it might work out. with worldwide competition, I don't think the odds are very good


I grew up in western Pa. The coal and steel industry started to collapse long before Bill Clinton came to office.

hell.. Fat Moores, "Roger and Me" came out before Clinton came into office.

The decline in manufacturing started in the 70's.



You really want to use California as an example?

I think with what has transpired over the last decade we can put to rest the idea of a nanny state being sustainable.

Imagine if they still offered free tuition. Their economy would have collapsed years ago..


I do agree that the rate of high school dropouts and adults with no higher education has to change. There is little excuse why someone can't take classes at a community college or even online.

Your answer to my question about Obama cutting PELL grant funding is a bit of a dodge.





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Mon 02/14/11 10:18 AM
I grew up in western Pa. The coal and steel industry started to collapse long before Bill Clinton came to office.

hell.. Fat Moores, "Roger and Me" came out before Clinton came into office.

The decline in manufacturing started in the 70's.
OK, Ya got me on steel an coal, although I'm not sure that this can be credited as specific to the manufacturing sector. World competition for coal and iron certainly put pressures on the manufacturing sector. I'll let you have your point on this. Personally, I don't care about Roger Moore's issues with his weight. I have issues of my own along these lines. Good to know that you have maintained a slim and fit figure. Moore's "Roger and Me"
had little to do with coal and steel. He was about automobile manufacturing.
You really want to use California as an example?
Not really, I want to use California as an example of Ronald Reagan.
I think with what has transpired over the last decade we can put to rest the idea of a nanny state being sustainable.
This doesn't mean much to me.
Imagine if they still offered free tuition. Their economy would have collapsed years ago.
Or . . . we might have a cadre of well-educated leaders in business, politics, scientific research, etc, to lead us into a better future. The 21st century might not be known as "the chinese century".
I do agree that the rate of high school dropouts and adults with no higher education has to change. There is little excuse why someone can't take classes at a community college or even online.
I'm afraid that Associate Degrees just aren't gong to cut it in today's international competitive environment. They're OK for training people to write computer code, but the days where that could drive an economy are over. Code-writers are a dime-a-dozen.

Your answer to my question about Obama cutting PELL grant funding is a bit of a dodge.
If you're saying that the Pell Grant help with higher education is inadequate to solve the problem, I agree with you.

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Mon 02/14/11 11:04 AM


The middle class pre 1980 was not made up of people with degrees. You didn't need a degree to work in a factory or a mill. I think that fact that you could walk out of your high school graduation and get a good paying job is one of the main reasons we fell behind the rest of the world in regards to the numbers of highly educated people.
No. That was the reason that the CHILDREN of all those less-educated people were poised to continue America's pre-eminence in the world. Ronald Reagan stopped that cold. Higher education was free in California before him. A rough quote from him is, 'Why should I provide free education to students so that they will have time to go out and protest my policies'?
As the manufacturing sector shrunk you saw the job market flooded with people that had a certain set of job skills, that didn't translate into the higher tech job market. You didn't see 40 year olds going to college to change career fields you saw them floundering in **** jobs to make ends meet.
The manufacturing sector didn't shrink until Bill Clinton and NAFTA. Ross Perot was right!.
The cost of college rose with everything else. You see a sharp increase in college tuition at state schools because the states need more money.
Of course the states needed more money! Reagan's tax cuts for the rich created huge holes in Federal spending and the states had to make up the difference. we are seeing the identical scenario today.
Students in the UK went to college for free, that is no longer the case as they can no longer afford to cover the costs.
And that all started with Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan in drag.


What are your thoughts on Obama cutting money from the PELL grant program?
If America can find its way back to a leading stature on the foundation of high school graduates and people with a few Community College graduates with Associates degrees, it might work out. with worldwide competition, I don't think the odds are very good


I grew up in western Pa. The coal and steel industry started to collapse long before Bill Clinton came to office.

hell.. Fat Moores, "Roger and Me" came out before Clinton came into office.

The decline in manufacturing started in the 70's.



You really want to use California as an example?

I think with what has transpired over the last decade we can put to rest the idea of a nanny state being sustainable.

Imagine if they still offered free tuition. Their economy would have collapsed years ago..


I do agree that the rate of high school dropouts and adults with no higher education has to change. There is little excuse why someone can't take classes at a community college or even online.

Your answer to my question about Obama cutting PELL grant funding is a bit of a dodge.








And why did industries collapse?

Super restrictive environmental policies that were not based on tax credits for conforming but very high and excessively high fines. On top of that these anal agencies never went after the largest and worst polluters unless they had an accident. Even then their fines were not proportionate to the amount of damage done!

Next, Labor Unions! They made the cost of labor unbearable. people are so hot to fuque the rich they literally demanded their way to a lost job! benefits are an incentive, not a requirement.

Pensions and Pensioning also contributed to the downfall of industry here.

Lastly, our government itself. Labor Intensive businesses are totally overtaxed while "white collar sector" businesses are not taxed proportionately either. Wall Street makes huge profits but the people putting the money to work are the ones getting all the taxes. If you think I am lying well remember this, a good investor has strategies to wash their investment and gains through tactical investment. If you think I am kidding or making this up you are STUPID! Worst is the ridiculous fees businesses need to pay just to get started!

And Liberals scream "Tax the rich" all the while the rich are learning better ways to dodge taxation but in the end BUSINESS SUFFERS from this thinking!

Deregulation, bad planning, and this whole "punishment" complex our system operates by has got to end for business to come back! OH BUT NO! We got to hug trees, and abandon our wanton ways and run barefoot through the fields. On top of that we desperately need governmental financial responsibility and also personal accountability in government and corporations. We also need desperate reforms to our legal system and likewise our tax structure! Socialism and social spending are killing us. So is our being the police force of the world. Time to hit the UN with a bill for a change and likewise the World Bank!

Come to think of it that is the ultimate evil! The World Bank is Satan's Beyatch!

PS! AN example of the failures of the AQMD and EPA...

Erin Brockavich, Pacific Gas and Electric, Hinkley California!

Can you say Hexavalent Chromium? Can you say nothing was done until a court case that broke the bank of the residents of Hinkley? And did PG&E get punished?

Government is not acting in our best interests!

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Mon 02/14/11 12:07 PM

And why did industries collapse?
Industries did not collapse. Industries survived and are healthy and robust worldwide. AMERICAN simply decided not to participate. I was shocked to see that , in a table of "value added" by country, America was WAAYY down on the list.

Super restrictive environmental policies that were not based on tax credits for conforming but very high and excessively high fines. On top of that these anal agencies never went after the largest and worst polluters unless they had an accident. Even then their fines were not proportionate to the amount of damage done!
I know that this is the clarion call of the Limbaughites, but there is no support for the claim. It was impressive to me to find that in the list of countries with the most environmental protections, the leaders were Scandinavian countries with the best economies
Next, Labor Unions! They made the cost of labor unbearable. people are so hot to fuque the rich they literally demanded their way to a lost job! benefits are an incentive, not a requirement.
Once again, I was impressed that the countries with the highest rate of Trade Unionism turned out to be those Scandinavian countries with the healthiest economies.
Pensions and Pensioning also contributed to the downfall of industry here.
Odd. One of the hallmarks of the explosive growth of the middle class between 1945 and 1980 was the ability for workers to put aside a cerain amount of their compensation package to provide for a retirement. This can generally be attributed to the power of Labor Unions
Lastly, our government itself. Labor Intensive businesses are totally overtaxed while "white collar sector" businesses are not taxed proportionately either. Wall Street makes huge profits but the people putting the money to work are the ones getting all the taxes.
This makes no sense to me at all. Labor intensive companies get a tax deduction for every dollar spent on salaries and wages. What makes you think this?
If you think I am lying well remember this, a good investor has strategies to wash their investment and gains through tactical investment. If you think I am kidding or making this up you are STUPID! Worst is the ridiculous fees businesses need to pay just to get started!
I guess I'm just stupid, then.
And Liberals scream "Tax the rich" all the while the rich are learning better ways to dodge taxation but in the end BUSINESS SUFFERS from this thinking!
You are certainly entitled to your opinion.
Deregulation, bad planning, and this whole "punishment" complex our system operates by has got to end for business to come back! OH BUT NO! We got to hug trees, and abandon our wanton ways and run barefoot through the fields. On top of that we desperately need governmental financial responsibility and also personal accountability in government and corporations. We also need desperate reforms to our legal system and likewise our tax structure! Socialism and social spending are killing us. So is our being the police force of the world. Time to hit the UN with a bill for a change and likewise the World Bank!
This is a very confused paragraph.
Come to think of it that is the ultimate evil! The World Bank is Satan's Beyatch!
I also think that the World Bank is evil, but probably not for the same reasons as you.

PS! AN example of the failures of the AQMD and EPA...

Erin Brockavich, Pacific Gas and Electric, Hinkley California!

Can you say Hexavalent Chromium? Can you say nothing was done until a court case that broke the bank of the residents of Hinkley? And did PG&E get punished?

Government is not acting in our best interests!
What is the point that you are trying to make, here? (What is AQMD? The only thing that came uo on Google was The Air Quality Management District. Is that what you're talking about? Personally, I think that air quality is important. I remember what the air in LA was like prior to the EPA. This is a big problem in China. Sometimes, there are other things that are at least as important as business).

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Mon 02/14/11 07:39 PM

This is a point that I've been kicking myself for not having made at the time. So, I decided to double back and pick it up.
Likewise I am not impressed with an MBA! Talk about something as worthless as a Liberal Arts Degree! I deal with Experts all the time and 90% of them are know it All shitte heads who really know nothing. The government engages in Velbin Spending. Hope you don't have to look that term up on Wikipedia! I took Micro And Macro economics (One semester each) and was studying Engineering but Economic forces took me out of school because homeless and starving as a college student makes no sense! Likewise I am deep in the trenches of the business world and frankly the nepotism in our society runs super deep!

So becasue you got an MBA you suddenly are smarter than all the rest of us! I am facing a situation where the odds are stacked against me and I am dragging myself slowly out of a hole the economy dug for us all. I have to juggle my budget creatively just to keep any money in the bank at all. I know what works and what doesn't financially. And I am supposed to pay for Obama care with what money? The money I use to eat with? How about my fuel budget? I got to give up getting to my work to pay for Obamacare? And sine I don't have the money to pay I am supposed to pay a $2500 fine each year of money I don't have?
Before Ronald Reagan, it was cheap and easy to get a lot of education. I think that that was good for America. I think that that is one of the reasons that the economy was so robust. I think that that is one of reasons that America had a large and robust middle class. I think that that is one of the reasons that America used to be the greatest nation on earth.

People who are under, say, 40 yrs old have spent their entire lives of political awareness in Ronald Reagan's America, and they think that that is the way that the world is, and should be. They haven't a clue about the achievements of the period between 1945 and 1980. It is not their fault, but this is why people are known for having such short memories and do not learn the lessons of the past. A generation dies out and their historical memory goes with it.

This is an attempt to tie together APPLES and ORANGES...

Apple - Government (implied due to Reagan) is responsible for the increased cost of education.

Orange - Cost of education is in no way caused by the government... It is directly caused by 'clamping' industries that have sprung up to take advantage of a persons ambition to receive education... ('clamping' industry - any group or sub entity that exists simply to profit from the person seeking an education before the institution that offers education actually receives the student... i.e a company that 'bleeds' money from the application by attaching itself to the 'education process').

However in the groping way that career politicians have of 'fixing' problems they did not think critically... Instead they 'fix' things that are not broken... and take money from the very 'clamping' industries that have cause the 'breakage' of the system.

TEACHERS UNIONS are a clamping industry - not the members - but the 'Administrative' and 'Executive' groups that bleed union members (and in so doing raise the cost of higher education).

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Mon 02/14/11 11:46 PM


This is a point that I've been kicking myself for not having made at the time. So, I decided to double back and pick it up.
Likewise I am not impressed with an MBA! Talk about something as worthless as a Liberal Arts Degree! I deal with Experts all the time and 90% of them are know it All shitte heads who really know nothing. The government engages in Velbin Spending. Hope you don't have to look that term up on Wikipedia! I took Micro And Macro economics (One semester each) and was studying Engineering but Economic forces took me out of school because homeless and starving as a college student makes no sense! Likewise I am deep in the trenches of the business world and frankly the nepotism in our society runs super deep!

So becasue you got an MBA you suddenly are smarter than all the rest of us! I am facing a situation where the odds are stacked against me and I am dragging myself slowly out of a hole the economy dug for us all. I have to juggle my budget creatively just to keep any money in the bank at all. I know what works and what doesn't financially. And I am supposed to pay for Obama care with what money? The money I use to eat with? How about my fuel budget? I got to give up getting to my work to pay for Obamacare? And sine I don't have the money to pay I am supposed to pay a $2500 fine each year of money I don't have?
Before Ronald Reagan, it was cheap and easy to get a lot of education. I think that that was good for America. I think that that is one of the reasons that the economy was so robust. I think that that is one of reasons that America had a large and robust middle class. I think that that is one of the reasons that America used to be the greatest nation on earth.

People who are under, say, 40 yrs old have spent their entire lives of political awareness in Ronald Reagan's America, and they think that that is the way that the world is, and should be. They haven't a clue about the achievements of the period between 1945 and 1980. It is not their fault, but this is why people are known for having such short memories and do not learn the lessons of the past. A generation dies out and their historical memory goes with it.

This is an attempt to tie together APPLES and ORANGES...

Apple - Government (implied due to Reagan) is responsible for the increased cost of education.

Orange - Cost of education is in no way caused by the government... It is directly caused by 'clamping' industries that have sprung up to take advantage of a persons ambition to receive education... ('clamping' industry - any group or sub entity that exists simply to profit from the person seeking an education before the institution that offers education actually receives the student... i.e a company that 'bleeds' money from the application by attaching itself to the 'education process').

However in the groping way that career politicians have of 'fixing' problems they did not think critically... Instead they 'fix' things that are not broken... and take money from the very 'clamping' industries that have cause the 'breakage' of the system.

TEACHERS UNIONS are a clamping industry - not the members - but the 'Administrative' and 'Executive' groups that bleed union members (and in so doing raise the cost of higher education).


And likewise people who supply schools take total advantage. The cost of books for example! And the Unit fees are getting higher and higher. The books are the pinnacle of anal rape though!

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Tue 02/15/11 12:17 AM



This is a point that I've been kicking myself for not having made at the time. So, I decided to double back and pick it up.
Likewise I am not impressed with an MBA! Talk about something as worthless as a Liberal Arts Degree! I deal with Experts all the time and 90% of them are know it All shitte heads who really know nothing. The government engages in Velbin Spending. Hope you don't have to look that term up on Wikipedia! I took Micro And Macro economics (One semester each) and was studying Engineering but Economic forces took me out of school because homeless and starving as a college student makes no sense! Likewise I am deep in the trenches of the business world and frankly the nepotism in our society runs super deep!

So becasue you got an MBA you suddenly are smarter than all the rest of us! I am facing a situation where the odds are stacked against me and I am dragging myself slowly out of a hole the economy dug for us all. I have to juggle my budget creatively just to keep any money in the bank at all. I know what works and what doesn't financially. And I am supposed to pay for Obama care with what money? The money I use to eat with? How about my fuel budget? I got to give up getting to my work to pay for Obamacare? And sine I don't have the money to pay I am supposed to pay a $2500 fine each year of money I don't have?
Before Ronald Reagan, it was cheap and easy to get a lot of education. I think that that was good for America. I think that that is one of the reasons that the economy was so robust. I think that that is one of reasons that America had a large and robust middle class. I think that that is one of the reasons that America used to be the greatest nation on earth.

People who are under, say, 40 yrs old have spent their entire lives of political awareness in Ronald Reagan's America, and they think that that is the way that the world is, and should be. They haven't a clue about the achievements of the period between 1945 and 1980. It is not their fault, but this is why people are known for having such short memories and do not learn the lessons of the past. A generation dies out and their historical memory goes with it.

This is an attempt to tie together APPLES and ORANGES...

Apple - Government (implied due to Reagan) is responsible for the increased cost of education.

Orange - Cost of education is in no way caused by the government... It is directly caused by 'clamping' industries that have sprung up to take advantage of a persons ambition to receive education... ('clamping' industry - any group or sub entity that exists simply to profit from the person seeking an education before the institution that offers education actually receives the student... i.e a company that 'bleeds' money from the application by attaching itself to the 'education process').

However in the groping way that career politicians have of 'fixing' problems they did not think critically... Instead they 'fix' things that are not broken... and take money from the very 'clamping' industries that have cause the 'breakage' of the system.

TEACHERS UNIONS are a clamping industry - not the members - but the 'Administrative' and 'Executive' groups that bleed union members (and in so doing raise the cost of higher education).


And likewise people who supply schools take total advantage. The cost of books for example! And the Unit fees are getting higher and higher. The books are the pinnacle of anal rape though!


I don't know if your talking about college, but book prices should be criminal. Nobody can justify $165 for a used chemistry book, or even $165 for a brand new book. My Psychology book used at the bookstore was $95, found it online for $40!

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Tue 02/15/11 02:33 AM
And likewise people who supply schools take total advantage. The cost of books for example! And the Unit fees are getting higher and higher. The books are the pinnacle of anal rape though!
I couldn't agree more. That's the magic of a monopoly capitalistic marketplace.

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Tue 02/15/11 06:19 AM



This is a point that I've been kicking myself for not having made at the time. So, I decided to double back and pick it up.
Likewise I am not impressed with an MBA! Talk about something as worthless as a Liberal Arts Degree! I deal with Experts all the time and 90% of them are know it All shitte heads who really know nothing. The government engages in Velbin Spending. Hope you don't have to look that term up on Wikipedia! I took Micro And Macro economics (One semester each) and was studying Engineering but Economic forces took me out of school because homeless and starving as a college student makes no sense! Likewise I am deep in the trenches of the business world and frankly the nepotism in our society runs super deep!

So becasue you got an MBA you suddenly are smarter than all the rest of us! I am facing a situation where the odds are stacked against me and I am dragging myself slowly out of a hole the economy dug for us all. I have to juggle my budget creatively just to keep any money in the bank at all. I know what works and what doesn't financially. And I am supposed to pay for Obama care with what money? The money I use to eat with? How about my fuel budget? I got to give up getting to my work to pay for Obamacare? And sine I don't have the money to pay I am supposed to pay a $2500 fine each year of money I don't have?
Before Ronald Reagan, it was cheap and easy to get a lot of education. I think that that was good for America. I think that that is one of the reasons that the economy was so robust. I think that that is one of reasons that America had a large and robust middle class. I think that that is one of the reasons that America used to be the greatest nation on earth.

People who are under, say, 40 yrs old have spent their entire lives of political awareness in Ronald Reagan's America, and they think that that is the way that the world is, and should be. They haven't a clue about the achievements of the period between 1945 and 1980. It is not their fault, but this is why people are known for having such short memories and do not learn the lessons of the past. A generation dies out and their historical memory goes with it.

This is an attempt to tie together APPLES and ORANGES...

Apple - Government (implied due to Reagan) is responsible for the increased cost of education.

Orange - Cost of education is in no way caused by the government... It is directly caused by 'clamping' industries that have sprung up to take advantage of a persons ambition to receive education... ('clamping' industry - any group or sub entity that exists simply to profit from the person seeking an education before the institution that offers education actually receives the student... i.e a company that 'bleeds' money from the application by attaching itself to the 'education process').

However in the groping way that career politicians have of 'fixing' problems they did not think critically... Instead they 'fix' things that are not broken... and take money from the very 'clamping' industries that have cause the 'breakage' of the system.

TEACHERS UNIONS are a clamping industry - not the members - but the 'Administrative' and 'Executive' groups that bleed union members (and in so doing raise the cost of higher education).


And likewise people who supply schools take total advantage. The cost of books for example! And the Unit fees are getting higher and higher. The books are the pinnacle of anal rape though!

Aye sir...

You have identified one of the 'clamping' industries. (although it would not have been my choice to describe them so graphically).

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Tue 02/15/11 06:37 AM

And likewise people who supply schools take total advantage. The cost of books for example! And the Unit fees are getting higher and higher. The books are the pinnacle of anal rape though!
I couldn't agree more. That's the magic of a monopoly capitalistic marketplace.

Monopoly capitalistic marketplace... BALDERDASH.

If it was a captialistic marketplace there would be competition...

Our current educational system is an example of an Elitist and Autocratic 'social level' system... It is designed so that those that feel entitled can have a 'special' educational path with perks, 'social exclusion' groups, and 'lineage based' special tracks. While insureing that the 'masses' have limited access to opportunities.

example... Colleges that are 'affordable' offer only courses that will allow entry level insertion into the constrained job markets... Colleges/universities that cater to 'lineage' and 'social strata' have 'layered' access to 'fast track' insertion into 'high paying' and controlled corporations for 'elites' and their offspring...

Ergo... Autocratic system set up to cater to 'royals' and 'lords'.

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Tue 02/15/11 06:59 AM
Monopoly capitalistic marketplace... BALDERDASH.

If it was a captialistic marketplace there would be competition...

Our current educational system is an example of an Elitist and Autocratic 'social level' system... It is designed so that those that feel entitled can have a 'special' educational path with perks, 'social exclusion' groups, and 'lineage based' special tracks. While insureing that the 'masses' have limited access to opportunities.
I wasn't referring to the education system. I was referring to the school textbook industry.

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