Oh but I do know for me what is right.

I am perfectly content and at peace with my belief.

Interesting? Darn tootin' right!!

A man who died of three causes at once, is a veritable miracle.

Hallelujah!! Nothing proves the existence of god more than miracles!! Especially in the modern age!! And dying of three independent causes by one person, at the same time, and at the same respect, is quite a miracle indeed.

Interesting? More. It's a miracle, a sign of god.

(In the year of Freud's death, about 443 people died of cancer of the jaw or of the mouth, and about 45,661 people died of heart failure. These people were Christians, smokers, and believers in miracles, and in interesting things that happen sometimes.)

Truly.

In fact, the idea that religion is even need for morality is a misguided notion.

First, I'm not judging anyone for their sexual prefernces.
Second, acording to your above statement, you're being hypocritical...

You called incest "sick", which is a personal judgement...
Acording to the decision of Lawrence vs Texas in 2003, consenting adults, "acting in private", is protected by the 14th amendment.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_v._Texas
and for an explaination:
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2005/08/28/hypocrisy_on_adult_consent/

Third, you, and others, continue to try and force your moral values on others while crying "religious" if someone doesn't agree with your views.


Here's something to refute your justification of being judgemental against incest and/or underage, consentual sex/marriage.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Marriage


Pay close attention, because since you like to cite the fact that what you don't agree with is "illegal", I'll use the law too...

From http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Marriage

"Each state has its own individual requirements concerning the people who may marry. Before a state will issue a marriage license, a man and a woman must meet certain criteria. Some states prohibit marriage for those judged to be mentally ill or mentally retarded. In other states, however, a judge may grant permission to mentally retarded persons to marry."

But you will hypocriticaly exclude mentally challenged?


Underage marriage:
"Age is an additional requirement. Every jurisdiction mandates that a man and a woman must be old enough to wed. In the 1800s, the legal age was as low as 12 years old for females. Modern statutes ordinarily provide that females may marry at age 16 and males at age 18. Sometimes a lower age is permitted with the written consent of the parents. A number of states allow for marriage below the minimum age if the female is pregnant and a judge grants permission."

Here we have society regulating what is "acceptable", and a clear discrimination of both age and sex inclusive... Unless of course, as stated by yourself, you wish to uphold the rights of all individuals WITHOUT judgements...

So, if you are willing to accept "current laws" as a premise for your convictions, you may as well stop debating now...


DOMA (Defence of Marriage Act)
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Defense+of+Marriage+Act

Same-sex marriage isn't illegal, so what the heck is your problem anyways? It can't be "judgemental", unless you admit your hypocricy and own up to the FACT that you too, are judgemental.

First, I'm not judging anyone for their sexual prefernces.
Second, acording to your above statement, you're being hypocritical...

You called incest "sick", which is a personal judgement...
Acording to the decision of Lawrence vs Texas in 2003, consenting adults, "acting in private", is protected by the 14th amendment.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_v._Texas
and for an explaination:
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2005/08/28/hypocrisy_on_adult_consent/

Third, you, and others, continue to try and force your moral values on others while crying "religious" if someone doesn't agree with your views.


Here's something to refute your justification of being judgemental against incest and/or underage, consentual sex/marriage.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Marriage


Pay close attention, because since you like to cite the fact that what you don't agree with is "illegal", I'll use the law too...

From http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Marriage

"Each state has its own individual requirements concerning the people who may marry. Before a state will issue a marriage license, a man and a woman must meet certain criteria. Some states prohibit marriage for those judged to be mentally ill or mentally retarded. In other states, however, a judge may grant permission to mentally retarded persons to marry."

But you will hypocriticaly exclude mentally challenged?


Underage marriage:
"Age is an additional requirement. Every jurisdiction mandates that a man and a woman must be old enough to wed. In the 1800s, the legal age was as low as 12 years old for females. Modern statutes ordinarily provide that females may marry at age 16 and males at age 18. Sometimes a lower age is permitted with the written consent of the parents. A number of states allow for marriage below the minimum age if the female is pregnant and a judge grants permission."

Here we have society regulating what is "acceptable", and a clear discrimination of both age and sex inclusive... Unless of course, as stated by yourself, you wish to uphold the rights of all individuals WITHOUT judgements...

So, if you are willing to accept "current laws" as a premise for your convictions, you may as well stop debating now...


DOMA (Defence of Marriage Act)
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Defense+of+Marriage+Act

Same-sex marriage isn't illegal, so what the heck is your problem anyways? It can't be "judgemental", unless you admit your hypocricy and own up to the FACT that you too, are judgemental.

I agree, I agree.

The grand prize usually goes to one winner.

Everyone who buys a $5 ticket does not get to win $50,000,000; there is only one lucky winner.

I know you only chose the word wrong, Cowboy, but that's okay. I still don't believe you. Nothing personal, you understand. It's just the things you say sound so unbelievable to me.

My point in that article is that those people haven't accomplished anything to disprove the bible.Christianity has always been growing.It has never slowed or reversed.Of course there is more Atheist today then there was 100 years ago but there is almost more Christians.


I'm not sure where you got your Atheist statistics from.But it would be interesting to know if they included countries like China,and North Korea where religion is more less banned.


I guess I have to laugh at you also.In 2,000 years Christianity went from 12 people to over 2 billion today.That's makes Atheism look pretty weak considering it has always been here.

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This is one of the issues I have with Christianity, it's either one or the other. It doesn't have to be, one CAN believe in God and not the Bible. Man's relationship with God is personal in this way, no one can say they don't know God just cause they don't believe in God their way. Yet Christianity tries to place this judgment on others.

While I agree with this to an extent, you place the "blame" on Chritianity, disregarding the Christian philosophy to discern the truth. It's time people start distinguishing between "Chritianity" and "false doctrines"...

Beside that, it's not the religion that does these things, it's people...

Seriously how does Christianity effect your life in any way shape or form?Are you required to read the bible?Are you under any laws regarding the bible enforced by our courts,police,and military?

Christianity has ZERO effect in your life and will never do anything to change how you are living your life.Do what you want.Believe what you want.Nobody is going to stop you.


I also find it ironic Atheist can rant,rave,throw judgment,and bother Christians to no end and then say with a straight face that they are tired of hearing what Christians are saying about them.You ever hear the words "double standard"?How are you any better than any Christian when you are saying negative things about them on a daily basis?

You ever wonder why the Hindus,Buddhist,and other religions have no problem getting along with Christians and the Christians have no problems getting along with them?It's because the Hindus and Buddhist mind their own business and could care less about what the Christians believe.

Then why don't you take a cue from them and do the same? What's good for the goose......

Further, sure no one is gonna stop us, but you use fear to try to guilt us into believing your doctrine even if we have no interest in it or reject it outright.

Also we don't say you're gonna go to hell do we? We don't say you reject God do we? (which I might add I DON'T)

We may say your beliefs are incorrect, or mention contradictions or what not, but we never put a judgment of eternity on you.

No it's YOUR truth, you cannot speak for God, only for yourself. If you wanna believe it, fine, but don't get all holier then thou as if you have the only path to God because you don't.

LOL!!!

Your anger is starting to show Kleisto...

And now you claim to know the "path to God"????

Who's being "holier than thou"?

No I didn't say that at all, all I said is you act like you know the way to God, and everyone else is wrong, and that's simply not true. There is more then one path to God, God cannot and is not limited by one path.

As for anger? Yeah I'm angry, cause you keep placing judgments on me as if you know better then me.

Dude, when have I ever placed "judgements" on you?

If you have been paying attention, I never claim to "know the way to God". In fact, I remember telling you to learn for yourself and not be swayed by what anyone tells you unless you can verify it on your own.

While I can empathize with how you may feel after being lied to, in now way is your anger towards me justified.

You said that I don't know the way to God, which by logical inference says that you do. What gives you the right to say that I don't?

Facts are facts, which I will refute if you're incorrect. I will also admit my error if I'm wrong about them, so show me where I'm wrong or admit that ultimately, you don't know either...

Let go of the anger and open your mind, it's refreshing and peaceful once you do. (that's my opinion, so don't bother refuting that one...)

We are minding our own business.I don't see any Christians passing any laws demanding anyone do anything.Is any Christians suing Atheist for any reason?There is hundreds of lawsuits against Christians by Atheist every year.I don't see any Christians protesting Atheist.You have any idea what this country would look and sound like if the 224,457,000 Christians really were not minding their own business.If I were a Atheist walking around in America how long would I have to walk before I met a Christian passing judgment on me face to face?10 years,20 years,30 years?


Atheist don't put judgment of eternity on you??? Atheist tell us all the time including posts in this very topic that we are wrong,our God is dead,Jesus was fake,the bible is false,blah,blah.We are dumb,we are stupid,we are homophobic,we don't care,we are always causing problems.That sure does sound like a whole lot of judgment to me.Telling a Christian there is no God and when he or she dies they do not go anywhere including heaven is no different then what you claim we are doing.


Do I really need to start digging up the hundreds of negative slurs on Christians as mentioned above by Atheist of this very site to prove my point?


Mind telling me the differences between a Atheist saying there is no God and we are right and a Christian telling a Atheist there is a God and we are right?

There I just spoke for God...


I am the Lord your God:

You shall have no other Gods before me

You shall not worship idols

You shall not misuse the name of God

Remember the Sabbath, to keep it holy

Honor your father and mother

You shall not murder

You shall not commit adultery

You shall not steal

You shall not lie

You shall not covet