Peter Pan,

I'm in total agreement with you that the biblical fables are in blatant contradiction with each other.

Yes, these fables do indeed have God himself commanding people to atone their sins via blood sacrifices in some places and in others they totally renounce that idea. I've pointed that out many times before and I'm well aware of these blatant contradictions and utter inconsistencies with these ancient "scriptures".

So, at best, all it shows is that the biblical cannon, as a whole, is totally unreliable, and that clearly at least some parts of it must necessarily be false.

I have no problem with that at all. In fact, once that's confessed I'm completely happy and satisfied because it no longer makes any sense to refer to "The Bible" as the "Word of God" since it clearly contains gross inconsistencies and clear falsehoods.

If we accept this as fact, then we can move forward to just picking and choosing the individual parts of from the Bible that we'd like to believe (if we choose any parts at all).

Given that freedom, I can easily build a case that shows that many of the things that are stated in various parts of the Bible totally support the Eastern Mystical views of spirituality. I would personally reject all of the negative stuff in the Bible that I personally find offensive and disagreeable.

Moreover, given this as a consensus, then no one could use any specific quotes from the Bible to support anything as 'Carved in stone" because other people would simply say that they reject those particular parts of the obviously flawed cannon.

This would also result in people realizing that other texts outside of the biblical cannon may hold every bit as much merit, or even more merit, than anything that's contained within the biblical cannon.

In other words, "Christianity" as a 'dogmatic religion' falls. It would no longer make any sense to post number-indexed verses from the biblical cannon, because there would be no consensus that any of the verses being referred to hold any merit or truth.

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Finally, if you accept that the God of Abraham does not condone blood sacrifices to atone sins, then the whole entire "Christian" concept and belief that Jesus was the sacrificial lamb of God who "paid" for our sins when he died on the Cross at Calvary goes out the window and no longer holds any meaning.

The only way that concept can stand is if the God of the Bible accepts blood sacrifices as atonement for sin.

So it's my humble opinion that once blood sacrifices for the atonement of sins are removed from this religion, then the very premises that most of "Christianity" stands on falls.

It is my humble opinion that the whole religion rests entirely on the concept that the Biblical God requires a blood sacrifice to atone sins.

Take that away, and you have something other than what Christianity has stood for throughout the ages.

So if you're going to try to convince me that the biblical God does not approve of blood sacrifices for the atonement of sin, then all you're doing is convincing me that the whole religion is false. Or, at the very least, the bulk of modern Christianity is totally wrong.

I'll graciously accept either of those conclusion.

You are confused because you don't read scripture.
You grab the tail-end of verses and think you have the whole of it all.

As mentioned before you have so much apprehension toward God and His Word.



"Men do not reject the Bible because it contradicts itself ,
but because it contradicts them ." - E. Paul Hovey

No I'd say he has more apprehension towards the Bible, not towards God. They don't have to go together, regardless of what you've been told. Just cause he doesn't like the Bible doesn't mean he rejects God. That notion is silly at best.



"Men do not reject the Bible because it contradicts itself ,
but because it contradicts them ." - E. Paul Hovey

Do you think that being Christian or Islamic (since they are so similar) makes a person overly obsessed with death/reward so that they cannot live life? Or even truly be themselves and genuine?

(living life does not mean debauchery either)


I feel that the doctrines are stifling to the person even if they don't realize it. Allowing/coercing them to conceal their real true selves behind a false shield of the religion. Not meaning that their true selves are evil as the religions teach.

Example: A person who is a part of one of these religions is associated with a gay person. The two of them are very compatible and a great friendship could happen but the religious person cannot fully love and support the gay person in a healthy way due to misgivings taught by the church. (And "saving" or converting this person is not healthy no matter what you have been told" In this case the real person behind the shield would be a true friend and have a life long close relationship with another loving human. The religious shield cannot allow this person to be genuine because of the fear of hell taught by the church.

Causing the religious person to be ungenuine in their relationships due to the doctrines of the church in this case causing fear.

just wanted to say that being a christian/living godly is a lifestyle one chooses to follow because they have a relationship with Christ and they understand whats acceptable and not acceptable to him, just as children know whats acceptable with their parents. about your comment about a christian not being able to truly love a gay person, that person is not fit to call themselves a christan if they cant love someone dispite their faults. i can truly say that i have only began to really experience and live life fully since i have become a christian.

That statement is not accurate at all.

I have been Christianized and my opposition to the bible is strong.

The bible is only a story book written by men for men and it is full of hypocrisy and very unhealthy idealism.

I am glad if that is working for you.

I felt like a better person and more at peace with myself when I let go of the shackles of the falseness of Christianity and the hypocrisy and superiority of Christians.

Religion doesn't give us anything we cannot give ourselves if we learn to love and respect ourselves without outside influences.

If they taught you that in Sunday school,

You were right in dropping out.

Now, Go thy way and find a real Church.

I beg to differ. Our father offers a paradise and a life full of blessings. God is there to help us back up when we stumble in life. Our father wants to help if you will let him.

You're right Kleisto, I am not God.

But I have His blessings to defend His Word.

Are you speaking for yourself? Aren't those your instructions?

Not even accurate since there isn't a father of all. Now if you had said a mother of all that would be more plausible but still not accurate.

Are you speaking for yourself? Aren't those your instructions?

Not even accurate since there isn't a father of all. Now if you had said a mother of all that would be more plausible but still not accurate.

I know it wouldn't have been accurate to have said mother of all, for we have but one father, one creator, one god.

I don't know that God even has a gender, He simply is and appears to us where we are and as we are. If we'll accept Him more one way, then that's how He'll appear to us. I know it sounds odd using He though lol, but you get my point.