Cowboy lies about what scriptures say,

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John.12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

According to John, Jesus himself said that he will not judge those who do not believe him. Therefore to not believe in him cannot possibly be the same thing as "denying" him. Otherwise it would have been pointless for him to have made this statement.



And WHO are YOU to decide who Jesus will JUDGE for or against?

Isn't that awfully arrogant of you to think that you can JUDGE who Jesus will accept and who he will reject?

It's one thing to point to the Bible and suggest that people might find something of value in it. But to go around claiming who Jesus will or won't condemn is nothing short of ludicrous and haughtiness.

I don't think I've ever seen such arrogance in my entire life Cowboy. You seriously take the cake.

You seem to really have an obsession with using Christianity as an excuse to condemn large groups of people in Jesus' name.

Poor Jesus. If he ever does come back he won't have anyone to condemn, you will have already condemned everyone for him in his name.

I wonder whether he will thank you for doing all the dirty work for him, or if he'll be peeved at you for taking over his position.

Go a verse further my friend.

John 12:48
48He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

And the words he has spoken are -

Matthew 10:33
But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

The religion you support is sick and perverted Cowboy.

Face it. There's nothing divine about it. You may as well be supporting Hitler and the Nazis.

I'm not judging anyone. The you in what I was saying was a general you. Not a directive towards YOU Abra.

But you collectively judge anyone who doesn't believe as you do, so it's not any better.

To not believe is not the same as denying. If you think these are the same thing then it's no wonder that you have these stories so confused. You can't even comprehend simple concepts.

Besides, if you paid attention to this story you will see that in the end Jesus forgives all of those who had denied him, so clearly he doesn't stick to his word anyway.

Jesus can't be trusted to keep his word according to these very stories. He clearly changes his mind anytime he wants. So his word is meaningless.

I have not and do not judge anyone. I have not said weather someone is or isn't going to heaven for their beliefs, for I do not know whom will or will not go. I have not said once weather a specific person was or wasn't going to heaven.

I never claimed that you did. You'd be a fool to judge me.

I'm not the slightest bit concerned about your personal opinions about me. They have no merit or weight.

But that doesn't change the fact that YOU are judging entire masses of people demanding that Jesus will condemn them based on reasons that YOU FEEL Jesus should be condemning people.



You're JUDGING for Jesus!

I personally don't care about your lame judgments.

I KNOW that I'm in great shape with "God". I don't need YOUR PERMISSION.

And God doesn't need YOUR PERMISSION either.

Not true. Jesus offers forgiveness. Forgiveness of our trespasses and errors of ways. The only time it is to late to seek forgiveness is at judgment. Before then you have all the time to ask for forgiveness of anything and everything you have ever done. These people that had denied Jesus had not died on Earth before they sought after forgiveness, thus they were forgiven.

A mass murderer: a person could go on a rampage and kill thousands upon thousands of people. Then later on in life find God and hit his/her knees and seek forgiveness giving himself over to the lord. He will be forgiven of these previous trespasses.

Again, the only time it is to late to seek forgiveness is when judgment time comes.

Sure you have. You've been posting what you believe to be the "cause" and "effect" of damnation for several posts now.

You're trying extremely hard to condemn people in Jesus' name.

It seems to be an obsession that you thrive on.

That's not healthy Cowboy.

Who have I said will not partake in heaven? Give one name please. Have I said YOU will not? No I have not, have I said MsHarmony won't? No I have not. Give me the name of ONE, just ONE person I said was not going to be a part of heaven.

Jesus didn't come to offer forgiveness. Jesus came to "save the world".

That's what he said.

So then he died on the cross to pay for the sins of all mankind, and therefore all the sins of all mankind have been paid for.

There is nothing left to do.

This is in fact, how some people interpret this story. This is why Jesus said that it's not important to believe in him because all of your sins have been paid for no matter what.

And that's the only way that this fable can make any sense. Because God was already offering forgiveness before Jesus came. Therefore Jesus would have nothing new to offer. The only way that Jesus could have made a difference is if he paid for the sins of all mankind.

So evidently everyone will go to heaven no matter how horrible of a criminal they happen to be.

Sorry to burst your bubble Cowboy, but there's no one left to condemn. Jesus came to SAVE the world, not to condemn it like you'd like to to.

That's great to hear you are in great shape with God, and no you don't need my person. No one does, never said anyone did, so don't know where you got that. But I am extremely happy for you Abra :D.

Everyone that accepts this gift yes. How can Jesus make a sacrificial gift for a person if that person does not wish to accept it? Does not believe it to have any merit? Does not feel the gift is anymore then a hopeful dream? How can Jesus' gift then get to the person if that person does not wish to receive it?

According to you all atheist will be condemned because they don't believe in Jesus, and and according to you, to disbelieve in Jesus is the same as "denying" him.

So you don't need to call out their names individual. In fact, you don't even need to KNOW their names. You are still condemning them in the name of Jesus.

??? you're not making sense now. If one doesn't seek or receive forgiveness, one would not be saved. They would die. That is why Jesus came to save the world. He came to save the world offering forgiveness of previous trespasses and strength to remain without sin. But offers forgiveness of slips and weak times. That is how Jesus is offering to save us, he will save us through giving us forgiveness of our sins and misshaps if one is wishing to receive forgiveness of such.

You do not know this. You know not which atheists may or may not find God, on their death beds even. You know not what atheists may or may not find God during their lives. And no not according to me, according to God our father that has given us this knowledge. I am merely passing on a message given to us, I'm not telling anyone anything new. It is not my judgment, it is Jesus'. And he specifically tells us "Deny me before man and I will deny you before my father". So again, it is not me doing the judgment. I think of you no lesser of a person.

But even if it's not YOU, you are still threatening them with the judgment of God if they don't believe as you do ever in their lives.

You cannot separate the judgment from the religion, no matter how much you try.

What Gift?

The "gift" of appeasing a sick demented God in the first place?

Cowboy, these are just sick perverted fables. Don't take them so seriously. There is no such thing as a God who is appeased by blood sacrifices. That is nothing more than a man-made superstition.

It's not the "blood" per say that appeased God. It's not like some vampire demon sort of thing. Blood is the most important thing in the world, especially to have a strong body to do a lot of physical labor. It contains a large quantity of protein, which then gives your muscles strength. Without the blood in your body, you would no longer exist.

That is why in that day and age, it was a "sacrifice" to sacrifice such things. Because a lot of physical labor went into their lives, more then it generally is needed these days anyways. They had to hunt their foods. Which was in need of a good amount of physical strength. Which came from eating of protein, which came from the blood of animals, which is why it made it such a prized "sacrifice" to God. Giving something you don't need in a "sacrifice" isn't truly sacrificing anything, now is it? No it's not. That is why the blood was such an important thing in the sacrifice, because of how greatly important it was.