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Except that most anti gay rhetoric comes from the major religion in the world. Most of the parents who teach their gay children they are going to hell are religious. Most children who mistreat other children for being gay are children of the religious who taught their children that being gay is wrong.
So it always comes back to the religious influence that causes this problem. |
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wouldn't homosexual sex fall in the catagory of population control? When rules and laws are made it isn't for the beneficiary of one person. It is a benefit for the entire population. Homosexual is against God's law for it isn't beneficiary in the simple fact sexual actions is for creation, creation, and oh yeah creation. Sex is for nothing more then gaining more population and making a family. Homosexuality benefits NOTHING. Not true. How does it benefit the world as a whole? Not individual benefits, but benefits for the entire planet? The same benefits as a heterosexual or bi sexual relationship does. People loving and enjoying their life together, raising children, whatever. All relationships can do the same exact things together. No, there is no creation in homosexual sex, so not the exact benefits of heterosexual sex. Sex is purely for creation. Other use then that it is lust, lustful desires, ect. Do you realize how much "religious sex" happens using the rhythm method of birth control? Do you realize how many times religious people have sex that doesn't make a baby? I guess they are worse sinners than those of us who don't have a god to worry about judging us? Yes they are just as much in the wrong. Two wrongs don't make a right. And just gotta laugh at your "us who don't have a god to worry about judging us". Doesn't matter if you accept God is real or not. You just like everyone else that ever existed will face judgement when the time comes. |
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Dragoness
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wouldn't homosexual sex fall in the catagory of population control? When rules and laws are made it isn't for the beneficiary of one person. It is a benefit for the entire population. Homosexual is against God's law for it isn't beneficiary in the simple fact sexual actions is for creation, creation, and oh yeah creation. Sex is for nothing more then gaining more population and making a family. Homosexuality benefits NOTHING. Not true. How does it benefit the world as a whole? Not individual benefits, but benefits for the entire planet? The same benefits as a heterosexual or bi sexual relationship does. People loving and enjoying their life together, raising children, whatever. All relationships can do the same exact things together. No, there is no creation in homosexual sex, so not the exact benefits of heterosexual sex. Sex is purely for creation. Other use then that it is lust, lustful desires, ect. Do you realize how much "religious sex" happens using the rhythm method of birth control? Do you realize how many times religious people have sex that doesn't make a baby? I guess they are worse sinners than those of us who don't have a god to worry about judging us? Yes they are just as much in the wrong. Two wrongs don't make a right. And just gotta laugh at your "us who don't have a god to worry about judging us". Doesn't matter if you accept God is real or not. You just like everyone else that ever existed will face judgement when the time comes. Oh no I don't. And I am so damn glad to be out of that crowd!! You keep your god and his many sins committed on humanity away from me!!! |
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Except that most anti gay rhetoric comes from the major religion in the world. Most of the parents who teach their gay children they are going to hell are religious. Most children who mistreat other children for being gay are children of the religious who taught their children that being gay is wrong. So it always comes back to the religious influence that causes this problem. No, still just faults in people. We all sin, we all fail the father everyday. One sin is no bigger then the other. Again the only sin greater then any other is denying the lord thy God. Other then that ALL sins are equal. And it would be a sin to treat the homosexuals badly just cause they are homosexual. For one we aren't to treat any person badly and for another, that is making a judgement on someone which we are not to do, again because we ALL sin. |
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Except that most anti gay rhetoric comes from the major religion in the world. Most of the parents who teach their gay children they are going to hell are religious. Most children who mistreat other children for being gay are children of the religious who taught their children that being gay is wrong. So it always comes back to the religious influence that causes this problem. No, still just faults in people. We all sin, we all fail the father everyday. One sin is no bigger then the other. Again the only sin greater then any other is denying the lord thy God. Other then that ALL sins are equal. And it would be a sin to treat the homosexuals badly just cause they are homosexual. For one we aren't to treat any person badly and for another, that is making a judgement on someone which we are not to do, again because we ALL sin. So stop preaching against homosexuality and stop calling it immoral since both of those are treating people badly and judging them. |
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Research???? Wasn't it you who said that anyone would be able to find evidence to support whatever their claims may be?
Well, I don't think that was me, do you have the example and context in which I made that claim? Sooooo, your "research" really holds no water now does it?
I think it does - and I've given all the sources. Presenting your information that is contrary to any of the specific examples I have posted, would further the debate. So don't be shy show your talent for research and honest debate and make present your case. You started out with a good basis for identifying bullies and victims, but you left out a huge chunk of "victims".
You forgot to mention that a lot of victims are not vitims because of their sexual orientation, but that's not important to you as those "victims" aren't mentioned in religion, are they? I did mention that - in fact it was necessary to include that in order to show, that views of homosexuality transcends the typical characteristics which are usually employeed by bullies. For example - you list of the following: The new kid... The red-head kid... The smart kid... The dumb kid... The handicapped kid... The poor kid... The rich kid... The fat kid... The kid with zits... The smelly kid... The kid who wears "cheap" shoes... These are characteristics that are visible and combined with other characteristics associated with 'targets', such characteristics stand out. But homosexuality is not something that is visible so what is it about homosexuality that makes it a good tool for bullying? What makes it a good tool is that for lack of any outstanding visible charateristic (as above) any kid who displayes the other characteristics of a 'target' (inhibited, insecure, have low self-esteem & somewhat isolated)can be chosen. Why? Because gays are openly discriminated against, openly referred to in the most detogetory of ways, and politicians to authoritative heads of church demean and and relegate homosexuals to sub-human levels. Really, take a look at your so-called "research" and I think you will find that a bully doesn't care what aspect of traits he targets, just that there be a target.
I did, because msharmony made a point and I thought I should address it - thats before this post. Don't expect me to spoon-feed you anything, I know that you'll just dismiss it as biased and opinionated. Like you are not....
OK - that should meet with my expectations of you. msharmony is right, it's PEOPLE, and nothing else that is to blame. It starts with the parents 1st, then the kids. Unless you want to claim that your morals come from a book or another person, I don't think your case has a leg to stand on...
People, what they believe, how they behave - it all reflects back at us though the kids. |
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Except that most anti gay rhetoric comes from the major religion in the world. Most of the parents who teach their gay children they are going to hell are religious. Most children who mistreat other children for being gay are children of the religious who taught their children that being gay is wrong. So it always comes back to the religious influence that causes this problem. No, still just faults in people. We all sin, we all fail the father everyday. One sin is no bigger then the other. Again the only sin greater then any other is denying the lord thy God. Other then that ALL sins are equal. And it would be a sin to treat the homosexuals badly just cause they are homosexual. For one we aren't to treat any person badly and for another, that is making a judgement on someone which we are not to do, again because we ALL sin. So stop preaching against homosexuality and stop calling it immoral since both of those are treating people badly and judging them. Freedom of speech is A RIGHT and freedom of religion is also a RIGHT.Nobody is going to tell me what I can't say or not say despite if you like it or not.I will until the day I die preach against homosexuality and those who support it.There is not a single thing you are anyone else can say or do about it. |
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Except that most anti gay rhetoric comes from the major religion in the world. Most of the parents who teach their gay children they are going to hell are religious. Most children who mistreat other children for being gay are children of the religious who taught their children that being gay is wrong. So it always comes back to the religious influence that causes this problem. No, still just faults in people. We all sin, we all fail the father everyday. One sin is no bigger then the other. Again the only sin greater then any other is denying the lord thy God. Other then that ALL sins are equal. And it would be a sin to treat the homosexuals badly just cause they are homosexual. For one we aren't to treat any person badly and for another, that is making a judgement on someone which we are not to do, again because we ALL sin. So stop preaching against homosexuality and stop calling it immoral since both of those are treating people badly and judging them. I judged no one. I didn't say so and so was going to burn for being homosexual. Only stating in a general observation. And i will preach the word till my last breath. |
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in reference to homosexuality the balance has becomed unbalanced and the question that always arises is homosexuality a choice/sure it is just like i choose to be heterosexual,why did i choose cause i don't find men sexually attractive so that places me in the heterosexual catagory
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CowboyGH
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in reference to homosexuality the balance has becomed unbalanced and the question that always arises is homosexuality a choice/sure it is just like i choose to be heterosexual,why did i choose cause i don't find men sexually attractive so that places me in the heterosexual catagory Homosexuality is a choice and a way of life derived from that choice. Yes someone may be attracted to the same gender, but this isn't homosexual. Homosexuality is HAVING relations with the same gender, HAVING sexual contact with the same gender. All choices. And the only way to HAVE those is to make the choice to do as such. Not forced, not anything. Willingly choosing to do as such. |
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Oh yeah, proof that your conclusions are merely opinions... "Of course it’s not just bullying of those perceived to be homosexual that occurs, it’s just that where homosexuality is the target in schools it seems to have been influenced by religious propaganda." The key word is seems... Would you agree? OH, GOOD, after reading msharmony's post I thought I neglected to leave that open. It should have been just that way - it gives people the opportunity to present other information that can be considered. I know you were actually trying to discredit me, so it may seem weird to say so, but thanks, I acturally feel better knowing that my wording left the opening for debate. |
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NOONE is born homosexual or heterosexual as we get older we decide what our preference is
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NOONE is born homosexual or heterosexual as we get older we decide what our preference is exactly. |
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"With or without religion, good people will do good things and evil people will do evil things. But, for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." Steven Weinberg So true. That has to be one of the dumbest quotes I have ever heard.Atheist countries like China who have the worst human rights records in history and are only getting worse?  We could talk for years about how much good Christianity has brought the world.The homeless shelters,the food banks,orphanages,feeding people around the world,helping the poor,charity work in every country in the world and asking for nothing in return.Christians have spent more money and more time than any other religion caring for people they have never met.
Yet Atheisms role in bettering society and the world has resulted in hundreds of millions dead due to War,genocide,greed,and power. When your looking for answers what does Atheism offer?Nothing. When you are homeless and starving out on the streets what does Atheism offer you?Nothing. When you have questions about where you go after you die what does Atheism offer you?Nothing. Steven Weinberg Awards and Honors Honorary Doctor of Science degrees, University of Chicago, Knox College, City University of New York, University of Rochester, Yale University American Academy of Arts and Sciences, elected 1968 National Academy of Sciences, elected 1972 J. R. Oppenheimer Prize, 1973 Richtmeyer Lecturer of Am. ***'n. of Physics Teachers, 1974 Scott Lecturer, Cavendish Laboratory, 1975 Dannie Heineman Prize for Mathematical Physics, 1977 Silliman Lecturer, Yale University, 1977 Am. Inst. of Physics-U.S. Steel Foundation Science Writing Award, 1977, for authorship of The First Three Minutes (1977) Lauritsen Lecturer, Cal. Tech., 1979 Bethe Lecturer, Cornell Univ., 1979 Elliott Cresson Medal (Franklin Institute), 1979 Nobel Prize in Physics, 1979 Awards and Honors since 1979 Honorary Doctoral degrees, Clark University, City University of New York, Dartmouth College, Weizmann Institute, Clark University, Washington College, Columbia University Elected to American Philosophical Society, Royal Society of London (Foreign Honorary Member), Philosophical Society of Texas Henry Lecturer, Princeton University, 1981 Cherwell-Simon Lecturer, University of Oxford, 1983 Bampton Lecturer, Columbia University, 1983 Einstein Lecturer, Israel Academy of Arts & Sciences, 1984 McDermott Lecturer, University of Dallas, 1985 Hilldale Lecturer, University of Wisconsin, 1985 Clark Lecturer, University of Texas at Dallas, 1986 Brickweede Lecturer, Johns Hopkins University, 1986 Dirac Lecturer, University of Cambridge, 1986 Klein Lecturer, University of Stockholm, 1989 James Madison Medal of Princeton University, 1991 National Medal of Science, 1991 DANG - that's more impressive than the quote. Think this guy actually sleeps? |
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In Oregon it was just on the news they were interviewing a 4th grade teacher that had been fired. This teacher says the only reason he was fired is because he is gay. He was fired he said when a 4th grade student of his asked him if he was married. here is the link and story... http://www.kgw.com/news/Beaverton-Student-Teacher-Booted-Speaks-Out-On-Camera-105158199.html BEAVERTON, Ore. -- A student teacher who was fired at a Beaverton school after letting students know he was gay told KGW in an exclusive interview that the district discriminated against him. Seth Stambaugh, 23, wanted to be a teacher his entire life. "It's the energy I get when I walk into a classroom. It's joyous beyond belief," said Stambaugh. He grew up in New Mexico, where he was bullied and felt sheer terror by the notion of "coming out." "When I came out at 16, I felt like it was a huge relief," he recalled. He visited Portland and felt the city was very welcoming of gays and lesbians. He couldn't wait to move here. The Lewis and Clark grad student felt compelled to teach students through a program for teaching education. But he never thought that he would be tossed out of a school after he said he just told a student the truth. It was September 10th, when a fourth grader asked him the question. "The student asked me if I was married, I responded 'no.' He asked 'why?' I said it was illegal for me to get married. I said 'it's because I want to marry a man.'" Days later, Stambaugh was fired and he said no one told him exactly why. He told KGW he suspected that it was because of his conversation with that 4th grader. "I felt extremely hurt and discriminated against. Everyone in the school is free to talk about their marital status as long as they are heterosexual," he said. In a statement, the Beaverton School District wrote, "We understand this action has resulted in the student teacher alleging discrimination. The concerns were about professional judgment and age appropriateness. While the details of this issue remain confidential, the district's policy and practice is non-discrimination." So what do parents say? "He or she should not be fired," said parent Paul Chen. "I don't think anybody should be fired for giving a well though-out articulate answer to a kids' question, " said parent Mike Speer. But some parents wonder why Seth would reveal his gay marital status to a 4th grader? "I think that 4th graders know that gays exist, they hear it on the playgrounds," Stambaugh said. "To say this guy, meaning me, came out and should disappear sends a negative [message] to a gay child who could be questioning their own sexuality." The superintendent was reviewing whether to reinstate Stambaugh. In the meantime, he's student teaching at a Portland Public School. .... personally i see this as another attempt to use sexuality for poor job performance. Why tell a 4th grade student about he is not because it is illegal for him to marry a man? Looks to me like he could of just said no.. that someday he hopes to be. A 4th grade student does not understand this escecially if his parents are not for it. He planted a seed of contention possibly with this child and his parents and should of known this was possible. The news is all over this so is the ACLU. If the child would of asked Do you believe in Hell and the teacher would of said Yes and he said why and the teacher would of said what his beliefs were then all the non believers would of said this teacher was spreading religion in school. Which also i believe a quiick short answer of I just do would suffice. But if that teacher would of been fired for saying that it would not be in the news except maybe in a negative conotation if the teacher complained and anyone listened.. The only reason this is in the news at all is him being Gay and everyone hates the Gay people. This is a form of brain washing our children and has no place for the ACLU or anyone else to be making a big deal out of this except to brainwash the public and send a clear message. Do anything to a Gay person and u will pay for it buddy..Huh? Shalom....Miles =================================== In Oregon it was just on the news they were interviewing a 4th grade teacher that had been fired. This teacher says the only reason he was fired is because he is gay. ==================================== Was fired for being gay, doesn't mean it had any religious influence. Some people may not want their kids taught by a homosexual teacher. They may feel it's teaching their children immoral social behavior for a lot of people regardless of religious preference don't like homosexuality. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- =================================== BEAVERTON, Ore. -- A student teacher who was fired at a Beaverton school after letting students know he was gay told KGW in an exclusive interview that the district discriminated against him =================================== Same as previous mentioning. The parents may have felt uncomfortable for a homosexual teacher teaching their children, regardless of religious preference. Same with all your examples...... it's all revolved around teachers and homosexuality. Same as if a teacher with a record of murder or any other immoral action. Still nothing specifically towards religious preference. My whole point in what i posted was Gay issues are over exaggerated. The point about Hell since i do not believe in the Dante Inferno's hell was that we would never of heard of it. The OP is saying Gay haters everywhere.. YUes this is what the media wants everyone to believe and whenever something unfortunate happens to a Gay person its News worthy when it should not be. So In essence the Haters are the ones who purport to be hated/ They just swing it with so much fury that the establish press is all about ratings and thats it. I posted to try and show this.. u all r way out of my league.. Blessings...Miles Is this one of those situations that if you are not gay, you really can't understand? I believe so. Yes u r right. I can not believe a man would want to have sex with another man. no way can i believe thats natural the same with women.. Nature it self tells us that. And anyone who continually rips the Scriptures can not possibly have any idea what they say and mean. You may of had a bad experience but that does not mean now u know them. Just as a heterosexual can not possibly understand a homosexual as they are 2 different mind sets no matter what they say. or else they would want to try it out. so yes i do not have a clue and u do not have a clue..Shalom....Miles |
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NOONE is born homosexual or heterosexual as we get older we decide what our preference is If that was true you would probably have a 50%/50% change being born gay or straight much like you have a 50%/50% chance being born male or female.We would also have to assume the animals are in the same scenario.Yet considering a very small minority in this country is gay I find this logic extremely flawed.There has never been any proof anyone was born gay. |
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In Oregon it was just on the news they were interviewing a 4th grade teacher that had been fired. This teacher says the only reason he was fired is because he is gay. He was fired he said when a 4th grade student of his asked him if he was married. here is the link and story... http://www.kgw.com/news/Beaverton-Student-Teacher-Booted-Speaks-Out-On-Camera-105158199.html BEAVERTON, Ore. -- A student teacher who was fired at a Beaverton school after letting students know he was gay told KGW in an exclusive interview that the district discriminated against him. Seth Stambaugh, 23, wanted to be a teacher his entire life. "It's the energy I get when I walk into a classroom. It's joyous beyond belief," said Stambaugh. He grew up in New Mexico, where he was bullied and felt sheer terror by the notion of "coming out." "When I came out at 16, I felt like it was a huge relief," he recalled. He visited Portland and felt the city was very welcoming of gays and lesbians. He couldn't wait to move here. The Lewis and Clark grad student felt compelled to teach students through a program for teaching education. But he never thought that he would be tossed out of a school after he said he just told a student the truth. It was September 10th, when a fourth grader asked him the question. "The student asked me if I was married, I responded 'no.' He asked 'why?' I said it was illegal for me to get married. I said 'it's because I want to marry a man.'" Days later, Stambaugh was fired and he said no one told him exactly why. He told KGW he suspected that it was because of his conversation with that 4th grader. "I felt extremely hurt and discriminated against. Everyone in the school is free to talk about their marital status as long as they are heterosexual," he said. In a statement, the Beaverton School District wrote, "We understand this action has resulted in the student teacher alleging discrimination. The concerns were about professional judgment and age appropriateness. While the details of this issue remain confidential, the district's policy and practice is non-discrimination." So what do parents say? "He or she should not be fired," said parent Paul Chen. "I don't think anybody should be fired for giving a well though-out articulate answer to a kids' question, " said parent Mike Speer. But some parents wonder why Seth would reveal his gay marital status to a 4th grader? "I think that 4th graders know that gays exist, they hear it on the playgrounds," Stambaugh said. "To say this guy, meaning me, came out and should disappear sends a negative [message] to a gay child who could be questioning their own sexuality." The superintendent was reviewing whether to reinstate Stambaugh. In the meantime, he's student teaching at a Portland Public School. .... personally i see this as another attempt to use sexuality for poor job performance. Why tell a 4th grade student about he is not because it is illegal for him to marry a man? Looks to me like he could of just said no.. that someday he hopes to be. A 4th grade student does not understand this escecially if his parents are not for it. He planted a seed of contention possibly with this child and his parents and should of known this was possible. The news is all over this so is the ACLU. If the child would of asked Do you believe in Hell and the teacher would of said Yes and he said why and the teacher would of said what his beliefs were then all the non believers would of said this teacher was spreading religion in school. Which also i believe a quiick short answer of I just do would suffice. But if that teacher would of been fired for saying that it would not be in the news except maybe in a negative conotation if the teacher complained and anyone listened.. The only reason this is in the news at all is him being Gay and everyone hates the Gay people. This is a form of brain washing our children and has no place for the ACLU or anyone else to be making a big deal out of this except to brainwash the public and send a clear message. Do anything to a Gay person and u will pay for it buddy..Huh? Shalom....Miles =================================== In Oregon it was just on the news they were interviewing a 4th grade teacher that had been fired. This teacher says the only reason he was fired is because he is gay. ==================================== Was fired for being gay, doesn't mean it had any religious influence. Some people may not want their kids taught by a homosexual teacher. They may feel it's teaching their children immoral social behavior for a lot of people regardless of religious preference don't like homosexuality. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- =================================== BEAVERTON, Ore. -- A student teacher who was fired at a Beaverton school after letting students know he was gay told KGW in an exclusive interview that the district discriminated against him =================================== Same as previous mentioning. The parents may have felt uncomfortable for a homosexual teacher teaching their children, regardless of religious preference. Same with all your examples...... it's all revolved around teachers and homosexuality. Same as if a teacher with a record of murder or any other immoral action. Still nothing specifically towards religious preference. What reasons could any parent have to feel any more uncomfortable with a gay or lebian teacher versus a heterosexual one? And where do you think those ideas may have come from? I'm only asking becasue most of the misconceptions that people have about homosexuals, come from Christian extremist groups. |
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Research???? Wasn't it you who said that anyone would be able to find evidence to support whatever their claims may be?
Well, I don't think that was me, do you have the example and context in which I made that claim? The context was one which you assumed only your opinion or facts are "unbiased". You somehow place your opinion higher than other's and use "religion" as a reason why someone else's is inferior. However, when confronted with the tough questions, you cried about staying on topic as to avoid dealing with your own bigotry and personal judgements. http://mingle2.com/topic/show/281688?page=17 "Of course if ALL you are looking for are the ‘facts’ that confirm your own bias, you will undoubtedly find it, but you will miss an opportunity to gain a lot of other knowledge, a lot people do that, especially when they read the Bible." So I won't be spoon feeding you anything as you have already deemed my opinions as biased and hence, any contradictory evidence you would deem biased as well. Besides, the only "true" form of evidence would be testimony of the bullies themselves or direct eyewitnesses. Neither of which has been presented here. |
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NOONE is born homosexual or heterosexual as we get older we decide what our preference is If that was true you would probably have a 50%/50% change being born gay or straight much like you have a 50%/50% chance being born male or female.We would also have to assume the animals are in the same scenario.Yet considering a very small minority in this country is gay I find this logic extremely flawed.There has never been any proof anyone was born gay. |
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In Oregon it was just on the news they were interviewing a 4th grade teacher that had been fired. This teacher says the only reason he was fired is because he is gay. He was fired he said when a 4th grade student of his asked him if he was married. here is the link and story... http://www.kgw.com/news/Beaverton-Student-Teacher-Booted-Speaks-Out-On-Camera-105158199.html BEAVERTON, Ore. -- A student teacher who was fired at a Beaverton school after letting students know he was gay told KGW in an exclusive interview that the district discriminated against him. Seth Stambaugh, 23, wanted to be a teacher his entire life. "It's the energy I get when I walk into a classroom. It's joyous beyond belief," said Stambaugh. He grew up in New Mexico, where he was bullied and felt sheer terror by the notion of "coming out." "When I came out at 16, I felt like it was a huge relief," he recalled. He visited Portland and felt the city was very welcoming of gays and lesbians. He couldn't wait to move here. The Lewis and Clark grad student felt compelled to teach students through a program for teaching education. But he never thought that he would be tossed out of a school after he said he just told a student the truth. It was September 10th, when a fourth grader asked him the question. "The student asked me if I was married, I responded 'no.' He asked 'why?' I said it was illegal for me to get married. I said 'it's because I want to marry a man.'" Days later, Stambaugh was fired and he said no one told him exactly why. He told KGW he suspected that it was because of his conversation with that 4th grader. "I felt extremely hurt and discriminated against. Everyone in the school is free to talk about their marital status as long as they are heterosexual," he said. In a statement, the Beaverton School District wrote, "We understand this action has resulted in the student teacher alleging discrimination. The concerns were about professional judgment and age appropriateness. While the details of this issue remain confidential, the district's policy and practice is non-discrimination." So what do parents say? "He or she should not be fired," said parent Paul Chen. "I don't think anybody should be fired for giving a well though-out articulate answer to a kids' question, " said parent Mike Speer. But some parents wonder why Seth would reveal his gay marital status to a 4th grader? "I think that 4th graders know that gays exist, they hear it on the playgrounds," Stambaugh said. "To say this guy, meaning me, came out and should disappear sends a negative [message] to a gay child who could be questioning their own sexuality." The superintendent was reviewing whether to reinstate Stambaugh. In the meantime, he's student teaching at a Portland Public School. .... personally i see this as another attempt to use sexuality for poor job performance. Why tell a 4th grade student about he is not because it is illegal for him to marry a man? Looks to me like he could of just said no.. that someday he hopes to be. A 4th grade student does not understand this escecially if his parents are not for it. He planted a seed of contention possibly with this child and his parents and should of known this was possible. The news is all over this so is the ACLU. If the child would of asked Do you believe in Hell and the teacher would of said Yes and he said why and the teacher would of said what his beliefs were then all the non believers would of said this teacher was spreading religion in school. Which also i believe a quiick short answer of I just do would suffice. But if that teacher would of been fired for saying that it would not be in the news except maybe in a negative conotation if the teacher complained and anyone listened.. The only reason this is in the news at all is him being Gay and everyone hates the Gay people. This is a form of brain washing our children and has no place for the ACLU or anyone else to be making a big deal out of this except to brainwash the public and send a clear message. Do anything to a Gay person and u will pay for it buddy..Huh? Shalom....Miles =================================== In Oregon it was just on the news they were interviewing a 4th grade teacher that had been fired. This teacher says the only reason he was fired is because he is gay. ==================================== Was fired for being gay, doesn't mean it had any religious influence. Some people may not want their kids taught by a homosexual teacher. They may feel it's teaching their children immoral social behavior for a lot of people regardless of religious preference don't like homosexuality. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- =================================== BEAVERTON, Ore. -- A student teacher who was fired at a Beaverton school after letting students know he was gay told KGW in an exclusive interview that the district discriminated against him =================================== Same as previous mentioning. The parents may have felt uncomfortable for a homosexual teacher teaching their children, regardless of religious preference. Same with all your examples...... it's all revolved around teachers and homosexuality. Same as if a teacher with a record of murder or any other immoral action. Still nothing specifically towards religious preference. What reasons could any parent have to feel any more uncomfortable with a gay or lebian teacher versus a heterosexual one? And where do you think those ideas may have come from? I'm only asking becasue most of the misconceptions that people have about homosexuals, come from Christian extremist groups. For the simple fact of where the category "gay" comes from in sexual orientation. Gay means strange, out of the usual. If there are three long pencils and one short one, that short pencil is gay. So therefore having a homosexual teacher is gay, out of the ordinary. People have habits of consistency, when something is different or strange to them they fear it and or just feel uncomfortable. Thus homosexual teachers would make the parents feel uncomfortable teaching their children. And obviously this is outside of a religious belief "Christianity". Inside of Christianity belief, they would feel uncomfortable for children observe their surroundings and we simulate. That is why certain areas of say the USA are totally different then the other. For that certain area has simulated together. So parents fear their children will simulate with the adult figure they are taught about in school. They fear these teachers could be teaching their children that homosexuality is ok inadvertently. |
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