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Topic: Firefighters Let Family's House Burn Down Because Owner Didn
EquusDancer's photo
Fri 10/08/10 05:23 AM

Dogos were originally bred to hunt razorback boars..so, yeah..they tend to be on the big side...:wink:


Dogos are awesome. I adopted a female who is deaf. Unfortunately, due to neglect, she only topped out at 70lbs.

Rachel78745's photo
Fri 10/08/10 07:07 AM







and what of their investment in this home,, hundreds of thousands allowed to go in flames over 75 dollars


$75.00 seems like a very reasonal amount to spend to keep your house from burning down.

One can only hope they are up to date on paying insurance for the home.


My question is why would the insurance company pay it when it's the homeowners fault the house went down. If you leave your doors unlocked and you get robbed you can't claim a robbery with your insurance co. Same as leaving your keys in your car and it being stolen, police will not arrest the thief for grand theft auto only joy riding. It makes people more responsible with their stuff.


Heh, I work in home insurance...yes they will pay off for theft, door locked or not..plus the police will take a report and treat grand theft auto whether the keys are in the vehicle or not. Where do you get these absurdities from. Really?


You are lying and their is an actual APD officer here on this site. I will get him to tell you himself. You have to give the person 14 days (not sure on that number) to return the vehicle. AND before that you have to send the person a letter that you want the vehicle back. I had to go through this when a shitty person took my truck. The only way it's different is if they JACK the vehicle from you while you are in it or with a gun ect..
It is not that easy to file a grand theft auto report when the thief has the keys.


I am waiting....talk about BS. Whether THERE (BTW) are keys or not it's still stealing...egads already, "merely knowingly exercised control or possession of someone else's vehicle without consent, then it's a Class 5 felony"

http://criminal.lawyers.com/ask-a-lawyer/What-Is-Grand-Theft-AutoU-7377.html









Ok this is where I was wrong. You see I had my vehicle stolen by a man I rented out a room to. (I am a landlord) When I went to make the report they wouldn't allow me to file it as stolen due to him living on the property, I had to give him 10 days to return it. I misinterpreted this as being due to the fact he stole the keys. However after I just spent 30 minutes on the phone with APD, what I found was that I was wrong. The only reason they didn't file it was because he lived in the house and that made it different. Not the keys being involved. My mistake blushing



That must be APD then, because here in Ennis, a father had his son arrested for taking his truck, despite the fact that the young man was living at home and on the family insurance.

So, what happens to you, seems to be only what happens to you rather then a state as a whole.


Yes the officer did tell me that it varies county to county but I invite you to call Austin police non emergency and ask to be transfered to the Austin auto theft department. When you speak to the officer (who was very nice and helpful). Ask him the steps necessary to file a auto theft report on someone who lives in your home and who has resided there longer than a month and stole your keys and took your car.I promise, the law states if you know the person and/or have let them borrow the car before(whether they live in the house or not) you have to give them time to return the vehicle. Chances are what you saw was the child get arrested for joy riding which is usually reserved for children who have stolen their parents vehicle. Or maybe it's just a county thing. Either way feel free to verify everything I just said.

msharmony's photo
Fri 10/08/10 07:10 AM
just put 'arrested for stealing parents car'


into a search engine and plenty of examples should come up,,,,

EquusDancer's photo
Fri 10/08/10 07:27 AM
I'm not doubting you Rachel. But I am emphasizing that you don't speak for the entire state of Texas. You are broadly generalizing info like this when its only your location that acts that way.

This was a 20yr old that took the vehicle, not a child.

And the Castle Doctrine, i.e. shooting someone for theft of a vehicle or in the house, only works when you are being attacked yourself or feel you are in imminent danger. You can't just lean out the door, if your car is 20ft away and shoot the person trying to steal it. Last time I was talking about it with the town cop and the county sheriff, that included the entire state.

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Fri 10/08/10 08:41 AM
Edited by msharmony on Fri 10/08/10 08:42 AM
{url]http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/usa/news/article_1375180.php/Texan_kills_2_robbers_while_on_phone_with_911

EquusDancer's photo
Fri 10/08/10 09:12 AM

{url]http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/usa/news/article_1375180.php/Texan_kills_2_robbers_while_on_phone_with_911


Yep. And at the bottom it did say "your own property, not someone elses"


no photo
Fri 10/08/10 07:05 PM
This sure is a mean group of human beings...mostly.
In the old days for thousands of years, a bell was rung when a fire started, and every abled body would pitch in to save his nieghbors house.
There had to have been a reason why someone would not pay $75, the amount is so small, that either she didn't pay on a princable, thinking it was unfair...or perhaps she was dead broke and couldn't pay, either way when do we as humans, realize the gifts we were given on this Earth together, and being the only species on Earth that has achieved superior intelligence, we have the responsibility to be the better, smarter, kinder than raw nature dictates, people, or in this case a Country that is killing itself slowly like a cancer.... there is so much hate for each other, and for strangers, the hate is bubbling over in every community. Sure we can watch our neighbors house burn...but everything we set out to be as a people 400 years ago, is being lost in our hate and greed. United We Stand ...Divided We Fall !

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Fri 10/08/10 09:14 PM
Edited by Rachel78745 on Fri 10/08/10 09:16 PM

I'm not doubting you Rachel. But I am emphasizing that you don't speak for the entire state of Texas. You are broadly generalizing info like this when its only your location that acts that way.

This was a 20yr old that took the vehicle, not a child.

And the Castle Doctrine, i.e. shooting someone for theft of a vehicle or in the house, only works when you are being attacked yourself or feel you are in imminent danger. You can't just lean out the door, if your car is 20ft away and shoot the person trying to steal it. Last time I was talking about it with the town cop and the county sheriff, that included the entire state.

This man shot a guy through his door with the door shut and never called the cops and got away with it. All you have to say is that you were in fear of your life. The man killed was unarmed.

Central Texas Digest: Man shot dead through door
PFLUGERVILLE

Man shot dead after altercation

A man was charged with manslaughter in the shooting of a 19-year-old who came to his house Monday night after an altercation at a park that afternoon, Austin police said.

Police said Daquan Wilson and another person approached the home of Joseph Ruben Anderson, 32, in the 1200 block of Ivybridge Drive shortly before 10 p.m. Monday.

Anderson told police that based on the words exchanged at the playground, he was concerned for the safety of his family and fired a gun from inside his home toward the front door area, officials said. Wilson was struck in the upper torso with one of the rounds, police said. He was taken to Round Rock Medical Center, where he died from the gunshot wound

EquusDancer's photo
Sat 10/09/10 05:08 AM
Yep, but that's pretty common in Texas. When my folks first moved down in 76, the local cop said it was basically okay to do that. The cop recommended the guy be on the porch, of course.

Castle doctrine is supposed to clarify things. Shrugs. Texans just like an excuse to kill something.

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Sat 10/09/10 09:40 AM


Ayn Rand Conservatism at Work -- Firefighters Let Family's House Burn Down Because Owner Didn't Pay $75 Fee
Talk of limited government is appealing until you see what it actually means in practice: a society in which it's every man for himself.
October 4, 2010 |


Thanks to 30 years of right-wing demagoguery about the evils of “collectivism” and the perfidy of “big government” -- and a bruising recession that’s devastated state and local budgets -- we’re getting a peek at a dystopian nightmare that may be in our not-too-distant future. It’s a picture of a society in which “rugged individualism” run amok means every man for himself.

Call it Ayn Rand’s stark, anti-governmental dream come true, a vision that last week turned into a nightmare for Gene Cranick, a rurual homeowner in Obion County, Tennessee. Cranick hadn’t forked over $75 for the subscription fire protection service offered to the county’s rural residents, so when firefighters came out to the scene, they just stood there, with their equipment on the trucks, while Cranick’s house burned to the ground. According to the local NBC TV affiliate, Cranick “said he offered to pay whatever it would take for firefighters to put out the flames, but was told it was too late. They wouldn't do anything to stop his house from burning.”

The fire chief could have made an exception on the spot, but refused to do so. Pressed by the local NBC news team for an explanation, Mayor David Crocker said, “if homeowners don't pay, they're out of luck.”

Ironically, Obion County describes itself as a “progressive community.” In a recent report (PDF), town officials wrote:

We continue to recruit new industry .... We’re building new roads and new schools and making improvements in health care, law enforcement and tourism. The implementation of a Regional Airport, the construction of the I-69 corridor through Obion County and improvements to our local infrastructure reflect the commitment of our county commissioner and municipal officials.

But last December, a county commission on which every member is a Republican voted to rescind a resolution passed years earlier that would have established a countywide fire department. Their rationale was, of course, the need to keep taxes low, but according to the county commission report, that decision was penny wise but pound foolish. “Because there is no operational county fire department,” the officials noted, “Obion County has missed the opportunity to actively pursue receipt of FEMA Assistance to Firefighters Grants (AFG) and Community Development Block Grants (CDBG), which could amount to hundreds of thousands of dollars of funding.”

Firefighting is perhaps the most frequently cited example of a good that the private sector simply isn’t suited to provide. We now deem the task of putting out fires a “public good” -- something individuals can’t decide to forgo without the potential of hurting others. But as I note in my new book, The Fifteen Biggest Lies About the Economy, it wasn’t always so. In the early years of our Republic, in cities like Boston and New York, small, privately operated fire brigades vied for property-owners’ business. You’d pay a small fee, and they’d give you a placard to hang on your door identifying you as a client. If a fire did break out, the company would—in theory, anyway—come and douse the flames.

http://www.alternet.org/news/148407/ayn_rand_conservatism_at_work_--_firefighters_let_family%27s_house_burn_down_because_owner_didn%27t_pay_$75_fee/

surprised




Actually it was Dems who originally created the law but the Republicans who pushed it back through should be held criminally liable as well as the so called "Fire Chief" if he could have made the call. I guarantee is he not a career door kicker or crash bus attendant. He was some administrator the mayor or city council appointed.

This $hit would have flied on the volunteer department I was on(I've decided to re-cert my EMT and ELF and get back on a Volunteer). There is no reason EVER to not attempt to put out a fire, except if it is an extreme danger to responders and additional resources are needed, Air support or bigger equipment or more personnel, are the ONLY reasons not to.

Then lets look at it from another angle, if he offered to pay on the spot to the Chief(who had the authority to over ride it), why the hell didn't he take it? The equipment and personnel were there, the taxpayers were paying for them to be there either way.

Then if I were a neighbor and paid my $75 dollars and they let a house next to me burn, I would hire a damn attorney that night because they failed to protect me after I paid. One of the biggest dangers of fires is that if they are nor put out quick they jump and spread to everything around. It doesn't even mention that these Fire Fighters or EMT's we attempting to at least hose down the the surrounding homes and areas to prevent it from spreading. I wonder if ANY of them have an ELF(Entry Level Firefighter), Fire Fighter 1 or 2 cards?

Not to mention it's only $75 dollars! It costs more then that to drive there! Between gas, equipment, salaries and liability. Who are they kidding, if everyone in town paid it wouldn't cover the cost of one single fire.

I know I couldn't live with myself if I were on that scene and did nothing. I would have probably lost my job that night because I would have set my right and gone to work anyways. (Gibb's Rule #18 It's better to seek forgiveness then ask permission). I mean seriously would they fire me for putting out a fire? At that point I would call my congressman, senator, state senator, state assemblyman and raise some $hit.

Stuff like this pisses me off. Especially when I gave a portion of my life to this service volunteering my time (We were only paid if we were on scene for an extended period of time, past our shifts ending or set out on a brush fire). When you get your Department Badge it's a sense of pride knowing your are to the best of your ability help anyone(with in the scope of your abilities) regardless of race, religion, sex, debt, criminal record etc. It makes me sick to read this because true FF and EMT's wouldn't let bureaucrats prevent us from saving someone or their property regardless of the outcome.

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