So you know that on sight?

Damn another good one.

If you can tell me how you know that on sight, we could end all the controversy.

I haven't seen a leftist on this thread yet.

So who might that be?

Cause I know I am not a liberal nor a leftist.

FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL

there first must be lawful contact, and then reasonable suspicion, or probable cause - same as any other domestsic police action

Dragoness, your argument is foolish and I really think you are violating forum rules by persisting wiht ur baiting of other posters. Shall we post some forum rules for u (not that it would do any good0 FAIL/

Its thick headedness, and denial of the truth and twisting of the facts to suit the socialist agenda.

I guess you are a socialist since you know that?

I didn't know all this stuff about socialism.

You just proved me right again.

What is reasonable suspicion on sight of an alien?

See ... ?

seee? i told you so...lol

i don't know what that means, but whatever... none are so blind as those who will not see.

Just tell me what "reasonable suspicion" on sight is for identifying an alien and how it can be done without being racial or discriminating.

That is all that needs to be proven.

The question I have asked over and over is

again.....

How do you reasonably suspect a person of being an alien on sight without being discriminatory or racial?

Can anyone answer that without all the other rhetoric?

there is none hon, the truth is discrimination IS legal,,,however wrong some of us will think it is

if you research supreme court rulings they have actually already gone along with this type of thinking,,, if members of a certain ethnic group are committing an offense at a high enough rate it is LEGAL , according to the courts, to consider ethnicity in a suspicicion....


I couldnt believe it either until I started researching,,,

According to the Supreme Court, the U.S. Constitution allows race to be considered in immigration enforcement: “The likelihood that any given person of Mexican ancestry is an alien is high enough to make Mexican appearance a relevant factor.” United States v. Brignoni-Ponce, 422 U.S. 873, 886-87 (1975).

The Arizona Supreme Court agrees that “enforcement of immigration laws often involves a relevant consideration of ethnic factors.” State v. Graciano, 653 P.2d 683, 687 n.7 (Ariz. 1982) (citing State v. Becerra, 534 P.2d 743 (1975)).

....add that to the wording of the bill..

'may not consider race, color or national origin in implementing the requirements of this subsection EXCEPT to the extent permitted by the United States or Arizona constitution'


and there isnt much that can be done to prevent profiling or the support it will get from the emotional and desperate citizenry who have lost their tolerance for illegal immigration,,,

Simple. He doesn't have identification, he acts nervous, yhr identification he has looks tampered with. He doesn't have his proof of citizenship or work card or visa or passport.

There's hundreds of ways to find out, they can even ask round about questions to try cattch them in leis; It's not that complicated.

i dont carry proof of citizenship or a work card, visa, or passport, what has that to do with my immigration status though if I am not an immigrant? doesnt it require a presumption that someone is immigrant to suspect their immigration status is illegal?

Sure you do, a Drivers Liscense or State Identification Card. Probably a Social Security Card too.

i don't get this issue...if you are legal, you have nothing to worry about. now it's a crime to enforce the law? wake up people....

let me repost,,,,I dont carry a drivers license or state id card. I dont HAVE a state ID card, and I carry my drivers permit only when driving as it is meant to be proof that I have the RIGHT TO DRIVE.

I dont carry my social security card either because they are HELL to replace and I know my number by heart already.

Hey, guys, we have received a number of reports re: various posts in this thread which deviate from talking about the TOPIC and end up talking about the other posters. As everyone should know by now, this is against forum rules. Please try to stick to the topic at hand and don't personalize it.

Body language and through the course of general questioning, the way they do it now!

body language tells us if someone is illegal(undocumented)?

wow, can it predict if they are a graduate too(degreed)?