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link added, sorry. Back on topic... heehee. Thank you so much!  Wow it is in there. Now check out this one. And do a find for the same thing "an alien" it doesn't show. Im not sure which one is more current as they both say the same quarter. Hmmmm.
http://www.azgovernor.gov/dms/upload/SB_1070_Signed.pdf See what I was speaking of. 
They both say the same thing. Hmmm because when I do a "find" for "an alien" on both documents to find the reference I find NO results found. But I do find it in the document you provided. Did you try that? Or are referencing a different way of them disguising it? I don't know what you are talking about. I read them both. At the top of each document there is a "find" feature. Try typing "an alien" or "alien" in both documents. You wont find either in my document. But using same technique I did find it in yours.  Not trying to be difficult just wanting to be accurate in what is said.
Well read them and you will see. Sure will. Is it in the same location? I really don't want to have to read the whole document again. I always try to check what I speak of EVEN if proven wrong, if proven wrong. Have you checked the "find" feature on my document? I don't need the find feature to read the document so no. I just read them. OK. I did find that there is an error that is not allowing me to "find" the words that ARE THERE in all the original documents. Yes, you were right with the wording. Although I still disagree with it being profiling as I have said. I have LEGAL friends that are Hispanic that agree with the law even though they could POSSIBLY be pulled over.
Your "friends" might not feel the same when they forget their id one day and sit at the police station for an undetermined amount of time, also in the bill, until they are identified to the police satisfaction. It may not look so good to them then. Point being: 1.If you had answered in the "original post" the link (which EVEYONE does) so I could have something to look for and investigate. and had done a "find" you would have found the very same thing as myself. I was open to trying your way to discover you were RIGHT. 2.Yet if you had done the "find" as I had suggested you may have found the same error in the document that I found earlier. Ending the debate on that issue THAT much sooner. And saved all these lovely pages. As far as my friends are concerned. They are very aware that it is a possiblity and they have told me its a small price to pay to help the ENORMOUS problem. |
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few people have actually seen michale jackson unclothed and face to face,,what we have seen(much like with models) are sometimes airbrushed photos and images and an always made up(cosmetics) Michael Jackson. One has only to research cosmetics made for burn victims to know how people can APPEAR to be all one complexion although their actual complexion is much less even. We saw mj's face and hands,,,I have no doubt he had exactly what the coroner and the doctors said he had,,,vitiligo.
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link added, sorry. Back on topic... heehee. Thank you so much! Wow it is in there. Now check out this one. And do a find for the same thing "an alien" it doesn't show. Im not sure which one is more current as they both say the same quarter. Hmmmm.
http://www.azgovernor.gov/dms/upload/SB_1070_Signed.pdf See what I was speaking of.
They both say the same thing. Hmmm because when I do a "find" for "an alien" on both documents to find the reference I find NO results found. But I do find it in the document you provided. Did you try that? Or are referencing a different way of them disguising it? I don't know what you are talking about. I read them both. At the top of each document there is a "find" feature. Try typing "an alien" or "alien" in both documents. You wont find either in my document. But using same technique I did find it in yours. Not trying to be difficult just wanting to be accurate in what is said.
Well read them and you will see. Sure will. Is it in the same location? I really don't want to have to read the whole document again. I always try to check what I speak of EVEN if proven wrong, if proven wrong. Have you checked the "find" feature on my document? I don't need the find feature to read the document so no. I just read them. OK. I did find that there is an error that is not allowing me to "find" the words that ARE THERE in all the original documents. Yes, you were right with the wording. Although I still disagree with it being profiling as I have said. I have LEGAL friends that are Hispanic that agree with the law even though they could POSSIBLY be pulled over.
Your "friends" might not feel the same when they forget their id one day and sit at the police station for an undetermined amount of time, also in the bill, until they are identified to the police satisfaction. It may not look so good to them then. Point being: 1.If you had answered in the "original post" the link (which EVEYONE does) so I could have something to look for and investigate. and had done a "find" you would have found the very same thing as myself. I was open to trying your way to discover you were RIGHT. 2.Yet if you had done the "find" as I had suggested you may have found the same error in the document that I found earlier. Ending the debate on that issue THAT much sooner. And saved all these lovely pages. As far as my friends are concerned. They are very aware that it is a possiblity and they have told me its a small price to pay to help the ENORMOUS problem. I will not parry the technicalities of what proved in the end that the law is promoting racial profiling and that is unacceptable to any American who stands up for equal human rights. |
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few people have actually seen michale jackson unclothed and face to face,,what we have seen(much like with models) are sometimes airbrushed photos and images and an always made up(cosmetics) Michael Jackson. One has only to research cosmetics made for burn victims to know how people can APPEAR to be all one complexion although their actual complexion is much less even. We saw mj's face and hands,,,I have no doubt he had exactly what the coroner and the doctors said he had,,,vitiligo. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0208101jackson1.html Ok but here's a thought. With all the money he had why not choose black make up?  Hey all a couple more posts and then lets get back to the original topic. K?  
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few people have actually seen michale jackson unclothed and face to face,,what we have seen(much like with models) are sometimes airbrushed photos and images and an always made up(cosmetics) Michael Jackson. One has only to research cosmetics made for burn victims to know how people can APPEAR to be all one complexion although their actual complexion is much less even. We saw mj's face and hands,,,I have no doubt he had exactly what the coroner and the doctors said he had,,,vitiligo. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0208101jackson1.html Ok but here's a thought. With all the money he had why not choose black make up? Hey all a couple more posts and then lets get back to the original topic. K?
why should he have to choose black make up when it is nowhere near as amply available as white make up,,,,heck, I even use pantene instead of some of the 'ethnic' products out there. If you read the autopsy, the only parts of his face( the only visible part of him to the public) were his eyebrows, eyelashes, and lips. It was much more logical to correct the smaller portion to match the larger than vice versa. |
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link added, sorry. Back on topic... heehee. Thank you so much! Wow it is in there. Now check out this one. And do a find for the same thing "an alien" it doesn't show. Im not sure which one is more current as they both say the same quarter. Hmmmm.
http://www.azgovernor.gov/dms/upload/SB_1070_Signed.pdf See what I was speaking of.
They both say the same thing. Hmmm because when I do a "find" for "an alien" on both documents to find the reference I find NO results found. But I do find it in the document you provided. Did you try that? Or are referencing a different way of them disguising it? I don't know what you are talking about. I read them both. At the top of each document there is a "find" feature. Try typing "an alien" or "alien" in both documents. You wont find either in my document. But using same technique I did find it in yours. Not trying to be difficult just wanting to be accurate in what is said.
Well read them and you will see. Sure will. Is it in the same location? I really don't want to have to read the whole document again. I always try to check what I speak of EVEN if proven wrong, if proven wrong. Have you checked the "find" feature on my document? I don't need the find feature to read the document so no. I just read them. OK. I did find that there is an error that is not allowing me to "find" the words that ARE THERE in all the original documents. Yes, you were right with the wording. Although I still disagree with it being profiling as I have said. I have LEGAL friends that are Hispanic that agree with the law even though they could POSSIBLY be pulled over.
Your "friends" might not feel the same when they forget their id one day and sit at the police station for an undetermined amount of time, also in the bill, until they are identified to the police satisfaction. It may not look so good to them then. Point being: 1.If you had answered in the "original post" the link (which EVEYONE does) so I could have something to look for and investigate. and had done a "find" you would have found the very same thing as myself. I was open to trying your way to discover you were RIGHT. 2.Yet if you had done the "find" as I had suggested you may have found the same error in the document that I found earlier. Ending the debate on that issue THAT much sooner. And saved all these lovely pages. As far as my friends are concerned. They are very aware that it is a possiblity and they have told me its a small price to pay to help the ENORMOUS problem. I will not parry the technicalities of what proved in the end that the law is promoting racial profiling and that is unacceptable to any American who stands up for equal human rights. Even if it does become racial profiling, who cares. The problems with illegals is way out of control. Something HAS to be done. I WANT my country back and I DON'T want to "press 1 for english". This is AMERICA, we speak ENGLISH. Don't come to my country and expect us to change our laws to make life easier for you and harder for me. Stay in your own country and change your own laws. If you don't like our immagration laws, GET OUT. |
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link added, sorry. Back on topic... heehee. Thank you so much! Wow it is in there. Now check out this one. And do a find for the same thing "an alien" it doesn't show. Im not sure which one is more current as they both say the same quarter. Hmmmm.
http://www.azgovernor.gov/dms/upload/SB_1070_Signed.pdf See what I was speaking of.
They both say the same thing. Hmmm because when I do a "find" for "an alien" on both documents to find the reference I find NO results found. But I do find it in the document you provided. Did you try that? Or are referencing a different way of them disguising it? I don't know what you are talking about. I read them both. At the top of each document there is a "find" feature. Try typing "an alien" or "alien" in both documents. You wont find either in my document. But using same technique I did find it in yours. Not trying to be difficult just wanting to be accurate in what is said.
Well read them and you will see. Sure will. Is it in the same location? I really don't want to have to read the whole document again. I always try to check what I speak of EVEN if proven wrong, if proven wrong. Have you checked the "find" feature on my document? I don't need the find feature to read the document so no. I just read them. OK. I did find that there is an error that is not allowing me to "find" the words that ARE THERE in all the original documents. Yes, you were right with the wording. Although I still disagree with it being profiling as I have said. I have LEGAL friends that are Hispanic that agree with the law even though they could POSSIBLY be pulled over.
Your "friends" might not feel the same when they forget their id one day and sit at the police station for an undetermined amount of time, also in the bill, until they are identified to the police satisfaction. It may not look so good to them then. Point being: 1.If you had answered in the "original post" the link (which EVEYONE does) so I could have something to look for and investigate. and had done a "find" you would have found the very same thing as myself. I was open to trying your way to discover you were RIGHT. 2.Yet if you had done the "find" as I had suggested you may have found the same error in the document that I found earlier. Ending the debate on that issue THAT much sooner. And saved all these lovely pages. As far as my friends are concerned. They are very aware that it is a possiblity and they have told me its a small price to pay to help the ENORMOUS problem. I will not parry the technicalities of what proved in the end that the law is promoting racial profiling and that is unacceptable to any American who stands up for equal human rights. Even if it does become racial profiling, who cares. The problems with illegals is way out of control. Something HAS to be done. I WANT my country back and I DON'T want to "press 1 for english". This is AMERICA, we speak ENGLISH. Don't come to my country and expect us to change our laws to make life easier for you and harder for me. Stay in your own country and change your own laws. If you don't like our immagration laws, GET OUT. None of what you stated here shows an America that I find acceptable. And I will fight to make sure that it NEVER HAPPENS HERE AGAIN. I will not promote racism of any kind. I will be glad to press 1 for English and wish I knew some Spanish because it makes me a more rounded person. I will also not tell anyone not to come to this country since migrants made this country all it can be and most of the Americans aren't even native to scream "mine" like a two year old child in a shrill voice. I am sure we should have stopped white folks from coming here a long time ago too but hey....... |
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Edited by
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I have to make a point about balance. Borders are as necessary as front and back doors. Immigration laws are as necessary as locks on those doors. I dont think people need to be IMPEDED from coming here, but I do feel they need to have regulations and processes for doing so. Noone should be rewarded for not following those regulations and processes like everyone else has to. That is not childlike, that is a pretty grown up desire for justice and equality. If you leave your house to come to mine,, its my rules or go back to your house. I think if you have a better way to run a house you should start practicing those ways in your own.
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It is our fault the borders were not controlled.
It is our fault that the employers were allowed to continue to hire illegals. All Americans were looking the other way the whole time. Now we need to fix the problem but taking it out on a human being that is trying to find a better life is not the way to go. Start with the borders and employers. We don't have to be racist and ignorant to do this thing. We don't have to be hateful and stupid. We can be humane and empathetic. We are dealing with humans here. Just as black folks want to be considered equal and human so do all other humans. The world belongs to all of us and none of us at the same time. We have to live together on this planet. |
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It is our fault the borders were not controlled. It is our fault that the employers were allowed to continue to hire illegals. All Americans were looking the other way the whole time. Now we need to fix the problem but taking it out on a human being that is trying to find a better life is not the way to go. Start with the borders and employers. We don't have to be racist and ignorant to do this thing. We don't have to be hateful and stupid. We can be humane and empathetic. We are dealing with humans here. Just as black folks want to be considered equal and human so do all other humans. The world belongs to all of us and none of us at the same time. We have to live together on this planet. yes, we do need to start with the 'temptation' that keeps immigrants breaking the laws,,,, hurt peoples pockets and they listen, same with the businesses keeping americans out of work to line their pockets by exploiting immigrants... I think thats where it has to hit hardest and first,,,, |
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link added, sorry. Back on topic... heehee. Thank you so much! Wow it is in there. Now check out this one. And do a find for the same thing "an alien" it doesn't show. Im not sure which one is more current as they both say the same quarter. Hmmmm.
http://www.azgovernor.gov/dms/upload/SB_1070_Signed.pdf See what I was speaking of.
They both say the same thing. Hmmm because when I do a "find" for "an alien" on both documents to find the reference I find NO results found. But I do find it in the document you provided. Did you try that? Or are referencing a different way of them disguising it? I don't know what you are talking about. I read them both. At the top of each document there is a "find" feature. Try typing "an alien" or "alien" in both documents. You wont find either in my document. But using same technique I did find it in yours. Not trying to be difficult just wanting to be accurate in what is said.
Well read them and you will see. Sure will. Is it in the same location? I really don't want to have to read the whole document again. I always try to check what I speak of EVEN if proven wrong, if proven wrong. Have you checked the "find" feature on my document? I don't need the find feature to read the document so no. I just read them. OK. I did find that there is an error that is not allowing me to "find" the words that ARE THERE in all the original documents. Yes, you were right with the wording. Although I still disagree with it being profiling as I have said. I have LEGAL friends that are Hispanic that agree with the law even though they could POSSIBLY be pulled over.
Your "friends" might not feel the same when they forget their id one day and sit at the police station for an undetermined amount of time, also in the bill, until they are identified to the police satisfaction. It may not look so good to them then. Point being: 1.If you had answered in the "original post" the link (which EVEYONE does) so I could have something to look for and investigate. and had done a "find" you would have found the very same thing as myself. I was open to trying your way to discover you were RIGHT. 2.Yet if you had done the "find" as I had suggested you may have found the same error in the document that I found earlier. Ending the debate on that issue THAT much sooner. And saved all these lovely pages. As far as my friends are concerned. They are very aware that it is a possiblity and they have told me its a small price to pay to help the ENORMOUS problem. I will not parry the technicalities of what proved in the end that the law is promoting racial profiling and that is unacceptable to any American who stands up for equal human rights. Even if it does become racial profiling, who cares. The problems with illegals is way out of control. Something HAS to be done. I WANT my country back and I DON'T want to "press 1 for english". This is AMERICA, we speak ENGLISH. Don't come to my country and expect us to change our laws to make life easier for you and harder for me. Stay in your own country and change your own laws. If you don't like our immagration laws, GET OUT. None of what you stated here shows an America that I find acceptable. And I will fight to make sure that it NEVER HAPPENS HERE AGAIN. I will not promote racism of any kind. I will be glad to press 1 for English and wish I knew some Spanish because it makes me a more rounded person. I will also not tell anyone not to come to this country since migrants made this country all it can be and most of the Americans aren't even native to scream "mine" like a two year old child in a shrill voice. I am sure we should have stopped white folks from coming here a long time ago too but hey....... The migrants that you speak of came here LEGALY and YES they did help make America what it is today. I'm fine with anybody that comes here LEGALY, adjusts to OUR way of live and doesn't expect me to adjust to their way of life or support them. |
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I have to make a point about balance. Borders are as necessary as front and back doors. Immigration laws are as necessary as locks on those doors. I dont think people need to be IMPEDED from coming here, but I do feel they need to have regulations and processes for doing so. Noone should be rewarded for not following those regulations and processes like everyone else has to. That is not childlike, that is a pretty grown up desire for justice and equality. If you leave your house to come to mine,, its my rules or go back to your house. I think if you have a better way to run a house you should start practicing those ways in your own. Yes I agree. Everyone else has to follow these same laws. I know many Hispanics that were living in Mexico and became legal to enter America. COOL! Im ok with that. I believe in our laws and upholding them to EVERYONE! Otherwise lets open the flood gates on all immigrants, because isn't it a form of a profiling to allow "illegals from Mexico" to get away with it and not (lets say) people from Africa (who struggle) or Cuba.
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I have to make a point about balance. Borders are as necessary as front and back doors. Immigration laws are as necessary as locks on those doors. I dont think people need to be IMPEDED from coming here, but I do feel they need to have regulations and processes for doing so. Noone should be rewarded for not following those regulations and processes like everyone else has to. That is not childlike, that is a pretty grown up desire for justice and equality. If you leave your house to come to mine,, its my rules or go back to your house. I think if you have a better way to run a house you should start practicing those ways in your own. Yes I agree. Everyone else has to follow these same laws. I know many Hispanics that were living in Mexico and became legal to enter America. COOL! Im ok with that. I believe in our laws and upholding them to EVERYONE! Otherwise lets open the flood gates on all immigrants, because isn't it a form of a profiling to allow "illegals from Mexico" to get away with it and not (lets say) people from Africa (who struggle) or Cuba.
right, I dont know of any countries which allow OPEN immigration with no formal processing or checks and balances,,,, and most countries are MUCH less lenient about people who ignore those process and checks and balances,,,,,regardless of their motivation We have to have heart when it comes to people, we have to be fair, but we dont have to feel bullied into changing our processes to suit everyone who chooses to come here,, if they choose to come, they should do so willing to abide by the laws and adapt to the culture,,not force the culture and laws to adapt to them |
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The migrants that you speak of came here LEGALY and YES they did help make America what it is today. I'm fine with anybody that comes here LEGALY, adjusts to OUR way of live and doesn't expect me to adjust to their way of life or support them. Actually there are many many white folks who did not come here "legally" who have been here generations now. Legality wasn't an issue years ago so white folks ancestors did not have to jump hoops if they didn't come through Ellis Island or whatever. You were here and you were here, that is all. So white people can climb off their high horse about it. Their ancestors might be illegally here too. Unless you are native American you can't claim ownership of this country because you might be born of an illegal crossing into here. Now lets get to adjusting to others. We should be speaking more than one language here and Spanish is a good start. We are becoming a world community. I hate the old American stick in the mud or up my butt attitude that we don't need improvement here. We have lots of room for improvement and one of them is learning more languages. As for supporting others unless you pay income taxes at the end of the year and not get a refund, you don't pay for anyone else, so moot point for most of the people on this site. |
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It is our fault the borders were not controlled. It is our fault that the employers were allowed to continue to hire illegals. All Americans were looking the other way the whole time. Now we need to fix the problem but taking it out on a human being that is trying to find a better life is not the way to go. Start with the borders and employers. We don't have to be racist and ignorant to do this thing. We don't have to be hateful and stupid. We can be humane and empathetic. We are dealing with humans here. Just as black folks want to be considered equal and human so do all other humans. The world belongs to all of us and none of us at the same time. We have to live together on this planet. I resent the fact you seem to think that our Governor has resorted to inhumane and un-empathetic treatment  . IF the Federal Government had done their job in supporting the enforcement of the borders when it originally passed Arizona would not have been forced doing anything to find the illegals. Inhumane? How about going to a restuarant done here and going to the bathroom only to find toilet paper with feces on it in a pile on the floor? How about living in a normal everyday neighborhood that starts renting to illegals and their kids run wild, the crime rate goes up, and because of their old living conditions the are not keeping their surroundings (and mine) clean. Or maybe look at the homeless people living on the street because they can't get a job taken by an illegal alien. Is that humane?
Yes, people come on down and join us in Lovely Arizona. |
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well, technically, income taxes are but ONE type of tax that goes towards helping others,,, we pay taxes on gas, utilities, tolls, and a whole list of things ,,,we wouldnt make it if we only had income taxes because of the reason you mentioned,, not enough people pay into income tax,,,
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well, technically, income taxes are but ONE type of tax that goes towards helping others,,, we pay taxes on gas, utilities, tolls, and a whole list of things ,,,we wouldnt make it if we only had income taxes because of the reason you mentioned,, not enough people pay into income tax,,, Except illegals pay all those taxes also so they deserve to receive help in that case |
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well, technically, income taxes are but ONE type of tax that goes towards helping others,,, we pay taxes on gas, utilities, tolls, and a whole list of things ,,,we wouldnt make it if we only had income taxes because of the reason you mentioned,, not enough people pay into income tax,,, Except illegals pay all those taxes also so they deserve to receive help in that case point taken |
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It is our fault the borders were not controlled. It is our fault that the employers were allowed to continue to hire illegals. All Americans were looking the other way the whole time. Now we need to fix the problem but taking it out on a human being that is trying to find a better life is not the way to go. Start with the borders and employers. We don't have to be racist and ignorant to do this thing. We don't have to be hateful and stupid. We can be humane and empathetic. We are dealing with humans here. Just as black folks want to be considered equal and human so do all other humans. The world belongs to all of us and none of us at the same time. We have to live together on this planet. I resent the fact you seem to think that our Governor has resorted to inhumane and un-empathetic treatment . IF the Federal Government had done their job in supporting the enforcement of the borders when it originally passed Arizona would not have been forced doing anything to find the illegals. Inhumane? How about going to a restuarant done here and going to the bathroom only to find toilet paper with feces on it in a pile on the floor? How about living in a normal everyday neighborhood that starts renting to illegals and their kids run wild, the crime rate goes up, and because of their old living conditions the are not keeping their surroundings (and mine) clean. Or maybe look at the homeless people living on the street because they can't get a job taken by an illegal alien. Is that humane?
Yes, people come on down and join us in Lovely Arizona. This whole list was prejudice to say the least. Only illegals do those things? |
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well, technically, income taxes are but ONE type of tax that goes towards helping others,,, we pay taxes on gas, utilities, tolls, and a whole list of things ,,,we wouldnt make it if we only had income taxes because of the reason you mentioned,, not enough people pay into income tax,,, Except illegals pay all those taxes also so they deserve to receive help in that case Do you honestly expect me to believe that someone that gets paid in CASH and is here illegaly, pays taxes on it? Your funny 
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