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Edited by
Dragoness
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B. FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY
21 OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS 22 STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS 23 UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE, 24 WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON. THE 25 PERSON'S IMMIGRATION STATUS SHALL BE VERIFIED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT 26 PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1373(c). How do you "reasonably suspect" someone of being an illegal without racially profiling? Tell me how you can suspect an alien on sight without being discriminatory and I will stop talking bad about Arizona. Link here http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf |
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The problem here is that terminology of "suspecting an alien on sight" is used. How do you suspect an alien on sight without being discriminatory or racially profiling? Considering that illegal aliens come from all over the world, they are white, black, brown, yellow, etc.... how do you pick them out on sight? why does it matter? seems like only people that have something to hide is worried about it. they can pull me over and ask me, i don't mind. I guess it won't matter if you are not "suspected of being illegal on sight" huh? White folks have no understanding of being profiled because they do not get profiled by police at any level for anything. Somehow unfair it would seem. do you think white people are immune? you might not have an understanding of it, but i do. things need to get done in this country, and people whining about how unfair something needs to be thrown out the window. life is unfair, and my kids growing up to no jobs is unfair. everything is unfair, so lets be unfair and start getting our country decent agian. Unfair will not make our country right again. LOL it will take us back to the good ole racist days in this country. If you like it like that just go south here, you will see that the good ole racist days are still in full swing down there. The people are held back a little by some pesky ole laws but other than that they are still pushing their prejudice daily in large doses and believe there ain't nothing wrong with it. Until a black president comes along and that makes them join the tea bagger party and scream impreach cause god forbid they have to be treated like they have been treating black folks for ages. White folks do not understand oppression, discrimination, prejudice, etc... at all and speak on it like they do. They have no clue. Hell I had no clue until I opened my eyes and watched how black folks got talked about, treated, profiled, discriminated against. It was so sickening to me, I still want to puke thinking about it. I see it to this day. So no white person can tell me anything about profiling, discrimination or anything along those lines THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT!!! Although a bit off topic. Ill go there for a moment. White in color people are discriminated all the time thru silence! When was the last time you saw a LEGAL...White "chamber of commerce" a white group that protects our rights against discrimination, or been passed over for a job, or get MORE government benefits because of our color? In Tucson, there is a "black chamber of commerce", there is the NAACP, illegals get free health care and food stamps (i've seen it). We are the silent discriminate. I have no problem at all with these groups or businesses be around. BUT have one come up for a white in color person..We are sued and protested. So we do experience discrimination! Considering that no white person suffers any discrimination at all i this country, it is a majority white and has had laws on the books giving whites superior treatment for most of the time we have been a country. If a white person get passed over for a job it is because the company has too many whites working for them already, quota, and they are needed to prevent prejudice employers from discriminating. Noone get more benefits because of color that is a white supremacist propaganda tool that makes a fool of folks. I worked for the welfare department so I do know what I am talking about. No white person suffers oppression or discrimination in this country. It is actually quite opposite, they get born with the white spoon in their mouths and have absolutely no clue what it is like to really struggle with oppression and discrimination. |
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The problem here is that terminology of "suspecting an alien on sight" is used. How do you suspect an alien on sight without being discriminatory or racially profiling? Considering that illegal aliens come from all over the world, they are white, black, brown, yellow, etc.... how do you pick them out on sight? why does it matter? seems like only people that have something to hide is worried about it. they can pull me over and ask me, i don't mind. I guess it won't matter if you are not "suspected of being illegal on sight" huh? White folks have no understanding of being profiled because they do not get profiled by police at any level for anything. Somehow unfair it would seem. do you think white people are immune? you might not have an understanding of it, but i do. things need to get done in this country, and people whining about how unfair something needs to be thrown out the window. life is unfair, and my kids growing up to no jobs is unfair. everything is unfair, so lets be unfair and start getting our country decent agian. Unfair will not make our country right again. LOL it will take us back to the good ole racist days in this country. If you like it like that just go south here, you will see that the good ole racist days are still in full swing down there. The people are held back a little by some pesky ole laws but other than that they are still pushing their prejudice daily in large doses and believe there ain't nothing wrong with it. Until a black president comes along and that makes them join the tea bagger party and scream impreach cause god forbid they have to be treated like they have been treating black folks for ages. White folks do not understand oppression, discrimination, prejudice, etc... at all and speak on it like they do. They have no clue. Hell I had no clue until I opened my eyes and watched how black folks got talked about, treated, profiled, discriminated against. It was so sickening to me, I still want to puke thinking about it. I see it to this day. So no white person can tell me anything about profiling, discrimination or anything along those lines THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT!!! Although a bit off topic. Ill go there for a moment. White in color people are discriminated all the time thru silence! When was the last time you saw a LEGAL...White "chamber of commerce" a white group that protects our rights against discrimination, or been passed over for a job, or get MORE government benefits because of our color? In Tucson, there is a "black chamber of commerce", there is the NAACP, illegals get free health care and food stamps (i've seen it). We are the silent discriminate. I have no problem at all with these groups or businesses be around. BUT have one come up for a white in color person..We are sued and protested. So we do experience discrimination! Considering that no white person suffers any discrimination at all i this country, it is a majority white and has had laws on the books giving whites superior treatment for most of the time we have been a country. If a white person get passed over for a job it is because the company has too many whites working for them already, quota, and they are needed to prevent prejudice employers from discriminating. Noone get more benefits because of color that is a white supremacist propaganda tool that makes a fool of folks. I worked for the welfare department so I do know what I am talking about. No white person suffers oppression or discrimination in this country. It is actually quite opposite, they get born with the white spoon in their mouths and have absolutely no clue what it is like to really struggle with oppression and discrimination. 
your funny... i want some of what your smokin or takin
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Edited by
Dragoness
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Sat 07/17/10 11:58 AM
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The problem here is that terminology of "suspecting an alien on sight" is used. How do you suspect an alien on sight without being discriminatory or racially profiling? Considering that illegal aliens come from all over the world, they are white, black, brown, yellow, etc.... how do you pick them out on sight? why does it matter? seems like only people that have something to hide is worried about it. they can pull me over and ask me, i don't mind. I guess it won't matter if you are not "suspected of being illegal on sight" huh? White folks have no understanding of being profiled because they do not get profiled by police at any level for anything. Somehow unfair it would seem. do you think white people are immune? you might not have an understanding of it, but i do. things need to get done in this country, and people whining about how unfair something needs to be thrown out the window. life is unfair, and my kids growing up to no jobs is unfair. everything is unfair, so lets be unfair and start getting our country decent agian. Unfair will not make our country right again. LOL it will take us back to the good ole racist days in this country. If you like it like that just go south here, you will see that the good ole racist days are still in full swing down there. The people are held back a little by some pesky ole laws but other than that they are still pushing their prejudice daily in large doses and believe there ain't nothing wrong with it. Until a black president comes along and that makes them join the tea bagger party and scream impreach cause god forbid they have to be treated like they have been treating black folks for ages. White folks do not understand oppression, discrimination, prejudice, etc... at all and speak on it like they do. They have no clue. Hell I had no clue until I opened my eyes and watched how black folks got talked about, treated, profiled, discriminated against. It was so sickening to me, I still want to puke thinking about it. I see it to this day. So no white person can tell me anything about profiling, discrimination or anything along those lines THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT!!! Although a bit off topic. Ill go there for a moment. White in color people are discriminated all the time thru silence! When was the last time you saw a LEGAL...White "chamber of commerce" a white group that protects our rights against discrimination, or been passed over for a job, or get MORE government benefits because of our color? In Tucson, there is a "black chamber of commerce", there is the NAACP, illegals get free health care and food stamps (i've seen it). We are the silent discriminate. I have no problem at all with these groups or businesses be around. BUT have one come up for a white in color person..We are sued and protested. So we do experience discrimination! Considering that no white person suffers any discrimination at all i this country, it is a majority white and has had laws on the books giving whites superior treatment for most of the time we have been a country. If a white person get passed over for a job it is because the company has too many whites working for them already, quota, and they are needed to prevent prejudice employers from discriminating. Noone get more benefits because of color that is a white supremacist propaganda tool that makes a fool of folks. I worked for the welfare department so I do know what I am talking about. No white person suffers oppression or discrimination in this country. It is actually quite opposite, they get born with the white spoon in their mouths and have absolutely no clue what it is like to really struggle with oppression and discrimination.
your funny... i want some of what your smokin or takin
It is no laughing matter 
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The problem here is that terminology of "suspecting an alien on sight" is used. How do you suspect an alien on sight without being discriminatory or racially profiling? Considering that illegal aliens come from all over the world, they are white, black, brown, yellow, etc.... how do you pick them out on sight? why does it matter? seems like only people that have something to hide is worried about it. they can pull me over and ask me, i don't mind. I guess it won't matter if you are not "suspected of being illegal on sight" huh? White folks have no understanding of being profiled because they do not get profiled by police at any level for anything. Somehow unfair it would seem. do you think white people are immune? you might not have an understanding of it, but i do. things need to get done in this country, and people whining about how unfair something needs to be thrown out the window. life is unfair, and my kids growing up to no jobs is unfair. everything is unfair, so lets be unfair and start getting our country decent agian. Unfair will not make our country right again. LOL it will take us back to the good ole racist days in this country. If you like it like that just go south here, you will see that the good ole racist days are still in full swing down there. The people are held back a little by some pesky ole laws but other than that they are still pushing their prejudice daily in large doses and believe there ain't nothing wrong with it. Until a black president comes along and that makes them join the tea bagger party and scream impreach cause god forbid they have to be treated like they have been treating black folks for ages. White folks do not understand oppression, discrimination, prejudice, etc... at all and speak on it like they do. They have no clue. Hell I had no clue until I opened my eyes and watched how black folks got talked about, treated, profiled, discriminated against. It was so sickening to me, I still want to puke thinking about it. I see it to this day. So no white person can tell me anything about profiling, discrimination or anything along those lines THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT!!! Although a bit off topic. Ill go there for a moment. White in color people are discriminated all the time thru silence! When was the last time you saw a LEGAL...White "chamber of commerce" a white group that protects our rights against discrimination, or been passed over for a job, or get MORE government benefits because of our color? In Tucson, there is a "black chamber of commerce", there is the NAACP, illegals get free health care and food stamps (i've seen it). We are the silent discriminate. I have no problem at all with these groups or businesses be around. BUT have one come up for a white in color person..We are sued and protested. So we do experience discrimination! Considering that no white person suffers any discrimination at all i this country, it is a majority white and has had laws on the books giving whites superior treatment for most of the time we have been a country. If a white person get passed over for a job it is because the company has too many whites working for them already, quota, and they are needed to prevent prejudice employers from discriminating. Noone get more benefits because of color that is a white supremacist propaganda tool that makes a fool of folks. I worked for the welfare department so I do know what I am talking about. No white person suffers oppression or discrimination in this country. It is actually quite opposite, they get born with the white spoon in their mouths and have absolutely no clue what it is like to really struggle with oppression and discrimination.
your funny... i want some of what your smokin or takin
I agree with MightyMoe. So you are saying that SPECIFIC groups such as whites not having the ability to have lets say a "WHITE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE" thats ok? Again I find it interesting you quote things when you will not provide the link when asked. I checked the documents I listed and nowhere in there is "an alien". Show me...PLEASE! Enlighten me. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Sat 07/17/10 12:02 PM
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next, are we gonna ask why white folks cant have 'reservations' set aside for them?
come on people, read history, it gives a reasonable CONTEXT as to why certain groups had to have SPECIAL representation when the majority would NOT represent them.... do you think BET sprung up to keep white folks from being represented in the media? No, white folks were already AMPLY represented and BET came from a need for BLACK folks to be represented in an area where they were almost non existent do you think HBCU's sprung up to keep white folks out of higher education? No, white folks already had ample access to higher education. HBCU's addressed the need for Black folks to have equal access to higher education,,,,, CONTEXT is a very important thing for people to understand through all the generalizing... |
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Oh man, I posted the beginning of the stupid law back 6 post ago.
I bolded the part of the law that is promoting racial profiling. I cannot help you anymore than that. |
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Edited by
Dragoness
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next, are we gonna ask why white folks cant have 'reservations' set aside for them? come on people, read history, it gives a reasonable CONTEXT as to why certain groups had to have SPECIAL representation when the majority would NOT represent them.... do you think BET sprung up to keep white folks from being represented, or from a need for BLACK folks to be represented in an area where they were almost non existent do you think HBCU's sprung up to keep white folks out of higher education or from a need for Black folks to have equal access to higher education,,,,, CONTEXT is a very important thing for people to understand through all the generalizing... I have seen it over and over. I guess being born white makes it hard if not impossible to understand an unwhite life. |
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next, are we gonna ask why white folks cant have 'reservations' set aside for them? come on people, read history, it gives a reasonable CONTEXT as to why certain groups had to have SPECIAL representation when the majority would NOT represent them.... do you think BET sprung up to keep white folks from being represented, or from a need for BLACK folks to be represented in an area where they were almost non existent do you think HBCU's sprung up to keep white folks out of higher education or from a need for Black folks to have equal access to higher education,,,,, CONTEXT is a very important thing for people to understand through all the generalizing... Please forgive me. I have no problem with these things being in place. I truly dont. They are needed. But at the same time, if white in color did something to promote the growth of us...regardles of what it is. We would be labeled racist. |
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Oh man, I posted the beginning of the stupid law back 6 post ago. I bolded the part of the law that is promoting racial profiling. I cannot help you anymore than that. Point being...I can post whatever quote as well.  I have no idea if this information is outdated, etc. Why is it an issue to provide a link. I am TRULY interested in seeing this. 
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link added, sorry.
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Edited by
msharmony
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Sat 07/17/10 12:14 PM
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next, are we gonna ask why white folks cant have 'reservations' set aside for them? come on people, read history, it gives a reasonable CONTEXT as to why certain groups had to have SPECIAL representation when the majority would NOT represent them.... do you think BET sprung up to keep white folks from being represented, or from a need for BLACK folks to be represented in an area where they were almost non existent do you think HBCU's sprung up to keep white folks out of higher education or from a need for Black folks to have equal access to higher education,,,,, CONTEXT is a very important thing for people to understand through all the generalizing... Please forgive me. I have no problem with these things being in place. I truly dont. They are needed. But at the same time, if white in color did something to promote the growth of us...regardles of what it is. We would be labeled racist. I understand that. In context though, throughout AMERICAN history, being female or having dark skin has been a HANDICAP in how those in positions of power and authority have judged others. Being WHITE has been the standard(naturally as the majority are white people). To have a WHITE chamber of commerce would seem somewhat like rubbing salt in a wound or trying to discredit the AMPLE need of others. It would be like if (in response to the Americans with Disabilities Act) there were an Able Bodied Americans act. You see, the historical NEED for such a thing just doesnt hold up and the only justification people could see was some sort of RETALIATION against those who DID have a historical justification for such a group or cause. |
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i can see back in the 50's thru the 80's where that kind of black promotion was needed, but nowadays things have changed. anyone that is legal here has just as much of a chance to do anything they want to do if they try. maybe it is easier to sit back and cry about how things are so tough for one particular race, but the fact is the only people holding anyone back, including whites, is themselves.
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i can see back in the 50's thru the 80's where that kind of black promotion was needed, but nowadays things have changed. anyone that is legal here has just as much of a chance to do anything they want to do if they try. maybe it is easier to sit back and cry about how things are so tough for one particular race, but the fact is the only people holding anyone back, including whites, is themselves. I love the last part of that sentence. "the only people holding anyone back..." 
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i can see back in the 50's thru the 80's where that kind of black promotion was needed, but nowadays things have changed. anyone that is legal here has just as much of a chance to do anything they want to do if they try. maybe it is easier to sit back and cry about how things are so tough for one particular race, but the fact is the only people holding anyone back, including whites, is themselves. That is what you think. Do not believe it. |
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i can see back in the 50's thru the 80's where that kind of black promotion was needed, but nowadays things have changed. anyone that is legal here has just as much of a chance to do anything they want to do if they try. maybe it is easier to sit back and cry about how things are so tough for one particular race, but the fact is the only people holding anyone back, including whites, is themselves. This is not necessarily the case. Discrimination still occurs in hiring, in healthcare, and in the 'justice' system. Man is a fickle creature, they will do what they can get away with if noone keeps account or pays attention. These causes and groups keep account of what is happening, they cause people to feel as if they will be held accountable. The history of this country shows what Americans are capable of and to stop keeping account, just because things are not AS bad or racism not as blatant, would be an error. |
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i can see back in the 50's thru the 80's where that kind of black promotion was needed, but nowadays things have changed. anyone that is legal here has just as much of a chance to do anything they want to do if they try. maybe it is easier to sit back and cry about how things are so tough for one particular race, but the fact is the only people holding anyone back, including whites, is themselves. This is not necessarily the case. Discrimination still occurs in hiring, in healthcare, and in the 'justice' system. Man is a fickle creature, they will do what they can get away with if noone keeps account or pays attention. These causes and groups keep account of what is happening, they cause people to feel as if they will be held accountable. The history of this country shows what Americans are capable of and to stop keeping account, just because things are not AS bad or racism not as blatant, would be an error. yes, you are right- but don't think that blacks and spanish are the only ones getting discriminated against. |
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link added, sorry. Back on topic... heehee. Thank you so much! Wow it is in there. Now check out this one. And do a find for the same thing "an alien" it doesn't show. Im not sure which one is more current as they both say the same quarter. Hmmmm.
http://www.azgovernor.gov/dms/upload/SB_1070_Signed.pdf See what I was speaking of. 
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i can see back in the 50's thru the 80's where that kind of black promotion was needed, but nowadays things have changed. anyone that is legal here has just as much of a chance to do anything they want to do if they try. maybe it is easier to sit back and cry about how things are so tough for one particular race, but the fact is the only people holding anyone back, including whites, is themselves. This is not necessarily the case. Discrimination still occurs in hiring, in healthcare, and in the 'justice' system. Man is a fickle creature, they will do what they can get away with if noone keeps account or pays attention. These causes and groups keep account of what is happening, they cause people to feel as if they will be held accountable. The history of this country shows what Americans are capable of and to stop keeping account, just because things are not AS bad or racism not as blatant, would be an error. yes, you are right- but don't think that blacks and spanish are the only ones getting discriminated against. I am not referring to personal prejudices. I am speaking about discrimination on an institutional basis,, as it applies to the economy, education, healthcare and social status of americans. People are bigoted across the board, but minorities have to speak louder to be heard(metaphorically speaking) or be seen, because, its easy for the majority to overlook them. |
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i can see back in the 50's thru the 80's where that kind of black promotion was needed, but nowadays things have changed. anyone that is legal here has just as much of a chance to do anything they want to do if they try. maybe it is easier to sit back and cry about how things are so tough for one particular race, but the fact is the only people holding anyone back, including whites, is themselves. This is not necessarily the case. Discrimination still occurs in hiring, in healthcare, and in the 'justice' system. Man is a fickle creature, they will do what they can get away with if noone keeps account or pays attention. These causes and groups keep account of what is happening, they cause people to feel as if they will be held accountable. The history of this country shows what Americans are capable of and to stop keeping account, just because things are not AS bad or racism not as blatant, would be an error. yes, you are right- but don't think that blacks and spanish are the only ones getting discriminated against. All non whites, gays and muslims are being discriminated against too. Maybe more but those are the ones who come to the top of my head. |
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