Correction: It is the same concept of the Christian God, which is just the opinions of Christians. But okay, if you say that Jesus is the same as the jealous god of war of the old testament, then I guess I don't like Jesus either.

Strong's to find the correct meaning. Thou shalt not MURDER.

Murder is to lay wait and to kill for personal reason of gain in any form. But to defend self, family,...etc. is not the same.

Once again read dictionaries and reference for answers.


If you wish to think of it this way. Volantary and involantary manslaughter. Both bring a death, one is murder and the other is to kill. The Commandment is "Thou shalt not Murder" use the Strong's to return to the true meaning of the Caldian/Hebrew word used.

I have heard people say that, but I was brought up with the commandment that read very clearly "Thou shalt not KILL"

Murder is to lay wait and to kill for personal reason of gain in any form. But to defend self, family,...etc. is not the same

even with defence you're out to gain something........... you're gaining your physical safety, so in terms it's the same thing.

The God of old had to deal with a savage people. They had to be taught to bathe, health rules, rules for clean and rules for unclean, that which was good to eat and that which was not. These people were lawless in all respects. If one was to disobey God himself, he had to die or all would do so and they would remain lawless.
The people around them were on the land belonging to the Hebrews. Those people were warlike and simply would not move. They would fight. So the Hebrews after Egypt had to fight for thier own land and the reason for killing them was to remove all pagan ways and temples from the land. If some were left alive they would polute God's people with paganism and lawlessness.
If I took your home and land....without a police force to help you.......you would war with me and kill me. You would not suffer me to live my ways of lawlessness on your land and in your house. You would kill!!!!!
Now as the people changed and had laws. They had a system of life learned from birth.....then a new thing could happen. Peace, love, tolerance, ....etc. To plant one must tear up the soil with violence.....but once the trees are mature they may be tended with care and the soil nurtured.
The Hebrew did not steal the land by murder....it was theirs. When white men came to America.....they murdered, cheated, and stole for land. The Indians were victims of an evil people......but if the white man had left his land fallow for a time and Indians had taken the Americas, then the white man would fight to regain his land from those who stole it.
This is why the fighting is going on today for the Holy lands. One group cliams birth right by one mother and another birthright by another. It is the same land returned to the Hebrews with the help of God. God took the smallest, the least, and claimed them for his people. They had to have help or be destroyed or never regain their stolen lands.
Then with power comes mercy, peace, love, understanding, tolerance......With laws there can be forgiveness, tolerance, and it will not destroy the way.
Look at our country today,by tolerance, by kindness, by mercy we have lost laws through unsound minds and the killers walk the street and the good people are locked behind their own doors.

When you rule a people....you will learn much!

or learn from God how it had to be because of the people....not God.


Teenagers! LOL

MsHarmony...you were either responding to my post about The Ten Commandments or you were rambling delusionally off the immediate line of discussion, but either way it only displays why your analogy was bad ...

the bible does not state "Thou Shalt Not Murder" ..it states "Thou Shalt Not Kill".....just because one makes a claim of being a member of a particular religion do not give them the right to change what was written in the bible so that they can intentionly perform violence on their fellow Man ...it only displays a lack of faith in the word of God

You know my meaning well. Your not that stupid!


.......Clinton argued the meaning of the word "is".

murder is to kill as apple is to fruit

what part of that analogy is bad or false?

this is what I mean from my earlier post that some come only to be adversarial and not with a heart to really listen because they are consumed with being heard ,,,,


so, I put in 'ten commandments in the bible' into my favorite search engine and this is the first two listings I have, complete with the term MURDER in the list



http://www.bible-knowledge.com/10-commandments/

http://www.the-ten-commandments.org/the-ten-commandments.html


upon referencing lessons in Hebraic, one can find this information,,

Hebraic Insight…

The Jewish sages note that the word “ratsakh” applies only to illegal killing (e.g., premeditated murder or manslaughter) — and is never used in the administration of justice or for killing in war. Hence the KJV translation as “thou shalt not kill” is too broad.

The Scriptures are not the Bible. the Bible was translated from the scriptures. Go to the Scriptures to see what is really what. man made error in the translations that must be checked out. If you will look in the KJ the words in Italics WERE ADDED FOR CLAIFICATION and not it the scriptures. The KJ and other Bibles are not the all end all. The scriptures are!!!! If you think there were unicorns....where are they today.......the correct word and meaning was that of "a wild oxen" Now go and look up online the word kill and the different wordS with an S. Then find the scripture and refer to the meaning in hebrew and you will find MURDER.

In the Sciptures there are 3 hells, 3 heavens, 3 Jesus.....you will find one a Roman, one the son of Nun, and the Christ. Jesus is an Enlandnized name....he has a Hebrew name....he has the same name as Josuah the son of Nun. Josuah is an Englandized name Yehosuah.

You don't know anything about the truth if you don't go to the SCRIPTURES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 3 Mary's, NOE is the same as Noah if you read in the new testament Noe......would you know it is Noah in Greek.....nope!

Thou shalt not murder! In fact it reads more like this "one no murder" Go to a Strong's online....it will open a whole new Bible to you. The truth of God...not "This is what I thunk!"

OH MY GOSH, how petty is this?....... there is NO FREAKING difference between killing and murder. Bottom line is you take someone's life, that's it. They are what we call a synonym.

רָצַח

There it is! It is translated Murder, kill, slay......with intent!

Well now. Where does the average human find original scriptures? I don't think they are regularly available to the public.



You sound like one of the ancient high priests who lay claim to the truth because they can read scriptures and nobody else even knows how to read. This is where they claim their power.

It implies that an individual cannot have a personal relationship with God or truth without some ancient penned scripture that was written by ... well thats debatable. I think they were written by scribes hired by political leaders of Rome. The Piso family.

So please tell us poor dumb pagans where you got your hands on original scriptures and where we might also see them to verify what you are saying.

That means absolutely nothing. Sorry.

But apparently murder is the same as Kill.

so what's the beef?

That is like saying there is no difference between volantary and involatary homicide my friend. Yes they are dead......but they are still not the same.


I will not waste further time.

The scriptures are online. But get a KJ and a matching Strong's exhaustive Concordance with dictionaries......online too.

I use books!

Foolishness! Get a KJ and a matching Strong's then obey the Bible....seek and you shall find, knock and it shall be opened to you. Ask for wisedom and understanding. The study soundly with common sense!

There you are thunking again! PROVE ALL THINGS!!!!!

Yes there is a difference in killing with intent and killing by accident or in defense of your life. I do understand that.

If you are careless you could kill someone on accident. That is a terrible tragedy, more horrible than I can imagine.

If you have to kill someone in defense of your life that too is a tragedy.

If you kill (murder) with intent out of hatred or ignorance that is also a tragedy.

But all I said was that all my life, the Bible I grew up with and the ten commandments I grew up with taught THOU SHALT NOT KILL.

Now it appears that religious people are nitpicking that commandment because they want to justify all of their bloody wars.

I really don't care. What I do care is that if that part of the Bible is now WRONG OR MISTRANLATED, the question in my mind would be how many other things in today's bible are wrong or mistranslated.

This does not instill confidence in the Bible for people like me who have doubts about it in the first place. In fact, it merely confirms my suspicions that all of these religious people are full of it.

FOR LESS THAN TEN BUCKS YOU CAN HAVE WHAT YOU NEED......GO TO WAL-MART......THEY MAY STILL HAVE THEM.

Why bother?

It should be crystal clear to any sane person that these stories, as written, cannot possibly be a communication from any God to humankind. The history of the story is too culturally dependent. This would have been a God who ignored the Indians of India, the Chinese, the Japanese, etc, etc, etc.

It's too culturally-specific to have been a genuine message from the creator of humanity.

Besides, why a KJV of the story? That's already a very BIASED piece of advice on YOUR PART. Why not the Torah, or the Quran? What gives you the right to choose for other people WHICH of these books is the right one (if any?)

Maybe the real God is explained through Wicca and you're selling the wares of Satan. After all, you must believe in Satan. Your God would have no excuses for most of his actions if he didn't have Satan to blame his faults on. Jesus would be a meaningless concept without Satan too. Satan must come before Jesus in your story. You can't be saved by Jesus untill you first accept Satan as your demon. You must accept Satan as your demon FIRST, otherwise, it's meaningless to accept Jesus as your "savior".

MsHarmony...when did I say that your analogy was false...this is another example of how you try to use deception in your responses

I said that your analogy was bad because it had nothing to do with the immediate discussion about The Ten Commandments "Thou Shalt not Kill"....your apple analogy was not a commandment that was handed down by God