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shouldnt be if it was all about US,, but it isnt,, and he didnt,, and he expects US to do some work... What a can of worms that opens up. Now we're supposed to question the Word of God? Well, I have. I've done quite a bit of work on it, and my conclusion is that the entire Abrahamic mythology is nonsense. That's my conclusion. So hooray for me! I've moved on to the Moon Goddess of Wicca and found a far better picture, there. Also, with her blessings, I've studied the Faery Teachings, and the many forms of Pantheism and Animism. They all have made far more sense than the Hebrew and Greek mythologies. And nary a one of them as taught me to kill anyone, no heathens, no unruly children, no sinners, etc. No Killing required. Even more so, I don't need to condone having anyone nailed to a pole either. 
In fact, I don't need to condone any violence at all. So I guess I did my fair share of work and it paid off. 
yes, hooray for you... |
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shouldnt be if it was all about US,, but it isnt,, and he didnt,, and he expects US to do some work... What a can of worms that opens up. Now we're supposed to question the Word of God? Well, I have. I've done quite a bit of work on it, and my conclusion is that the entire Abrahamic mythology is nonsense. That's my conclusion. So hooray for me! I've moved on to the Moon Goddess of Wicca and found a far better picture, there. Also, with her blessings, I've studied the Faery Teachings, and the many forms of Pantheism and Animism. They all have made far more sense than the Hebrew and Greek mythologies. And nary a one of them as taught me to kill anyone, no heathens, no unruly children, no sinners, etc. No Killing required. Even more so, I don't need to condone having anyone nailed to a pole either.
In fact, I don't need to condone any violence at all. So I guess I did my fair share of work and it paid off.
yes, hooray for you... more power to you, hope it all works out for you. |
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I've moved on to the Moon Goddess of Wicca and found a far better picture, there. Also, with her blessings, I've studied the Faery Teachings, and the many forms of Pantheism and Animism. They all have made far more sense than the Hebrew and Greek mythologies. And nary a one of them as taught me to kill anyone, no heathens, no unruly children, no sinners, etc. No Killing required. Even more so, I don't need to condone having anyone nailed to a pole either.
In fact, I don't need to condone any violence at all. So I guess I did my fair share of work and it paid off.
Sure, a much prettier picture moving to a religion based on older traditions which used ritual blood sacrifices including child sacrifice. |
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Uhhh... Was Jesus not the son? Was that not a part of Gods plan? That is not to be considered child sacrifice? OBKB |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Wed 06/09/10 01:00 AM
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it has felt today as if knowledge of the 'world' is a curse,, how blissful it must have been to be ignorant to anything but God's love and care and the world being beautiful....
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intent is the heart of the definition and makes quite a bit of difference,,, "intent" does not apply to the religious because when their God kills it doesn't matter to them what his intentions was, they go on faith that when their God intentionly kills, that it was in the interest of good ...but in the eyes of the law their God is a murderer this is why when God states "Thou Shalt Not Kill" he is stating that believers do not have the authority to judge who will live or die because such decisions can only be made by The All Mighty .. |
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it has felt today as if knowledge of the 'world' is a curse,, how blissful it must have been to be ignorant to anything but God's love and care and the world being beautiful.... MsHarmony...if what you say is true...then explain why you went to college to seek more knowledge ...did Satan make you do it knowledge is neither good nor evil nor a curse...it is simply information...even those that exist in ignorant bliss can not function without it ....Satan simply granted Man access to more of it |
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Uhhh... Was Jesus not the son? Was that not a part of Gods plan? That is not to be considered child sacrifice? OBKB 
Well technically Jesus was not a child. He was in his thirties. But he was supposed to be innocent and pure. The reason for child sacrifice is that children are innocent and pure. |
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Jesus's mother "Mary" may have been a virgin but she was not a product of a virgin birth because Mary's mother "Saint Anne" which were Jesus's Grandmother had a womb that have seen Man which mean that Mary could have been a product of lust and God have deem that lust is an abomination
some claiming that Jesus is God would mean that the baby Jesus was omniscient and therefore have within him the knowledge of good and evil and therefore a human baby with such knowledge couldn't have been innocent nor pure the fact that Jesus was born from a womb is why the claim of him being innocent and pure can not be justified because the only humans that were supposedly innocent and pure were Adam and Eve because they were the only humans created by God and not born from a womb therefore Jesus was a sinner |
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Jesus's mother "Mary" may have been a virgin but she was not a product of a virgin birth because Mary's mother "Saint Anne" which were Jesus's Grandmother had a womb that have seen Man which mean that Mary could have been a product of lust and God have deem that lust is an abomination some claiming that Jesus is God would mean that the baby Jesus was omniscient and therefore have within him the knowledge of good and evil and therefore a human baby with such knowledge couldn't have been innocent nor pure the fact that Jesus was born from a womb is why the claim of him being innocent and pure can not be justified because the only humans that were supposedly innocent and pure were Adam and Eve because they were the only humans created by God and not born from a womb therefore Jesus was a sinner ---------------------- Jesus's mother "Mary" may have been a virgin but she was not a product of a virgin birth because Mary's mother "Saint Anne" which were Jesus's Grandmother had a womb that have seen Man which mean that Mary could have been a product of lust and God have deem that lust is an abomination ----------------------- Even if she was, that would not be HER sin, so with that she would have still be a virgin/pure. That would have been her perents sin if such was true ----------------------- some claiming that Jesus is God would mean that the baby Jesus was omniscient and therefore have within him the knowledge of good and evil and therefore a human baby with such knowledge couldn't have been innocent nor pure ------------------------ Why could he not have been innocent or pure? Knowledge isn't what makes people innocent or pure, it's what one has done with that knowledge. ----------------------- the fact that Jesus was born from a womb is why the claim of him being innocent and pure can not be justified because the only humans that were supposedly innocent and pure were Adam and Eve because they were the only humans created by God and not born from a womb --------------- Where in the world do you get that? If from the bible, please enlighten us with some scriptures supporting as such. Cause we are all pure, we are made pure through the blood of Jesus. |
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Edited by
funches
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Thu 06/10/10 08:27 AM
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Even if she was, that would not be HER sin, so with that she would have still be a virgin/pure. That would have been her perents sin if such was true but do not christians claim that Jesus died for their sin...which means that everyone including The Virgin Mary and her Mother "Saint Anne" received the sins of Adam and Eve which is why neither of them were without sin .... also Mary was a product of lust which was an abomination ...this is when the bible becomes logical because God placed in fail-safes to make sure no man could claim to be God or a product of his seed.... in those days you couldn't make babies without lust or defiling the body of another in some way...this is why God said that lust was one of the seven deadly sins ....to get past this "lust loophole" would mean you have to be created without a womb....Jesus needed a womb this is why he was of sin because of his mother mary was a product of an abomination called lust |
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Thats a very good point funches. If Cowboy is claiming that our sins are our own sins, then how can someone else die or pay for them?
I think it is time for everyone to take responsibility for their own sins or crimes and stop crucifying Christ to get off the hook. Shame on them. |
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funches stated some claiming that Jesus is God would mean that the baby Jesus was omniscient and therefore have within him the knowledge of good and evil and therefore a human baby with such knowledge couldn't have been innocent nor pure Cowboy stated Why could he not have been innocent or pure? Knowledge isn't what makes people innocent or pure, it's what one has done with that knowledge. it was God himself that deem such knowledge as being impure or perhaps as a threat to his authority which is why he did not grant such knowledge to Adam and Eve Jesus used that knowledge to reek havoc in his father' temple with the money changers ...someone that was innocent and pure would not lose control of themselves by having a conniption fit and proceed to disrespect the temple of God |
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the fact that Jesus was born from a womb is why the claim of him being innocent and pure can not be justified because the only humans that were supposedly innocent and pure were Adam and Eve because they were the only humans created by God and not born from a womb --------------- Where in the world do you get that? If from the bible, please enlighten us with some scriptures supporting as such. Cause we are all pure, we are made pure through the blood of Jesus. Cowboy...you just have to use some simple logic...how could the Virgin Mary and her Mother have been made pure with the blood of Christ if they were born before Jesus died for their sins...this fact alone proves that Jesus was born of sin also how can you say that you are pure through the blood of Christ when you yourself have admitted to constantly committing sins |
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Edited by
CowboyGH
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Thu 06/10/10 10:07 AM
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the fact that Jesus was born from a womb is why the claim of him being innocent and pure can not be justified because the only humans that were supposedly innocent and pure were Adam and Eve because they were the only humans created by God and not born from a womb --------------- Where in the world do you get that? If from the bible, please enlighten us with some scriptures supporting as such. Cause we are all pure, we are made pure through the blood of Jesus. Cowboy...you just have to use some simple logic...how could the Virgin Mary and her Mother have been made pure with the blood of Christ if they were born before Jesus died for their sins...this fact alone proves that Jesus was born of sin also how can you say that you are pure through the blood of Christ when you yourself have admitted to constantly committing sins Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice, eg., final sacrifice. Before Jesus was hung on the cross people sacrificed animals and such for forgiveness of their sins to gain pureness. They sacrificed something important and needed for payment of their sins and transgressions. And when one is forgiven of their sins/transgression they then become pure/innocent as a child. |
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Thats a very good point funches. If Cowboy is claiming that our sins are our own sins, then how can someone else die or pay for them? I think it is time for everyone to take responsibility for their own sins or crimes and stop crucifying Christ to get off the hook. Shame on them. same response as to mine to funches. |
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Edited by
CowboyGH
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Thu 06/10/10 10:06 AM
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funches stated some claiming that Jesus is God would mean that the baby Jesus was omniscient and therefore have within him the knowledge of good and evil and therefore a human baby with such knowledge couldn't have been innocent nor pure Cowboy stated Why could he not have been innocent or pure? Knowledge isn't what makes people innocent or pure, it's what one has done with that knowledge. it was God himself that deem such knowledge as being impure or perhaps as a threat to his authority which is why he did not grant such knowledge to Adam and Eve Jesus used that knowledge to reek havoc in his father' temple with the money changers ...someone that was innocent and pure would not lose control of themselves by having a conniption fit and proceed to disrespect the temple of God The knowledge adam/eve gained from eating of the tree was God's plan. So they gained knowledge of the future and what was to come and happen. Adam/eve wasn't punished for specifically eating of the tree in the exact sense. They were punished for their disobedience to God when God told them not to eat of the tree. |
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Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice, eg., final sacrifice. Before Jesus was hung on the cross people sacrificed animals and such for forgiveness of their sins to gain pureness. They sacrificed something important and needed for payment of their sins and transgressions. And when one is forgiven of their sins/transgression they then become pure/innocent as a child. again it's the same "lust loophole" ...no child were pure or innocent because they were born of lust from the womb ...even God himself said that the children were tainted by their parents which is why God had no problem drowning children in The Great flood also if animal sacrifices and Jesus dying on the cross actually did remove the original sins of Adam and Eve... then everyone would be back in The Garden on Eden and not still suffering the same fate and punishment that God handed down to Adam and Eve |
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Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice, eg., final sacrifice. Before Jesus was hung on the cross people sacrificed animals and such for forgiveness of their sins to gain pureness. They sacrificed something important and needed for payment of their sins and transgressions. And when one is forgiven of their sins/transgression they then become pure/innocent as a child. again it's the same "lust loophole" ...no child were pure or innocent because they were born of lust from the womb ...even God himself said that the children were tainted by their parents which is why God had no problem drowning children in The Great flood also if animal sacrifices and Jesus dying on the cross actually did remove the original sins of Adam and Eve... then everyone would be back in The Garden on Eden and not still suffering the same fate and punishment that God handed down to Adam and Eve Those that accept Jesus are forgiven of the sins of Adam and Eve. The sacrifice of Jesus made original sin extinct. And everyone would be back in the garden of Eden if EVERYONE accepted God and stopped sinning. That is what separates us from God, sin. |
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The knowledge adam/eve gained from eating of the tree was God's plan. if it was God's plan that Adam and Eve eat from the fruit and then punish them for carrying out that plan would only be an indication that there were never any "Free Will" and that God is evil .... it would also make Satan's role in this event as an attempt to warn and perpare the human race for what God had in store for them and that Satan only did what he was created to do...to be an Angel |
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