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Ok first off lets make it clear that in those times the old testament was the law. And in the old testament people were punished for their sins while still on earth. The only people at that time that was righteous was Moses and his family. So they are the only ones that deserved to get on the ark. Also keep in mind, there wasn't many people that inhabited the earth at that time, people tend to forget that and say stuff like "what about the other thousands that were not on the ark." The flood was to cleanse the world of the sin that was here at that time, so in order to do that the most righteous had to be saved while the others were judged and put to death to cleanse the earth of the disease called sin. It's the same god though? We have systems created that are more efficient at making bad men good than this god character did. This guy not only is immoral but lazy. God is far from lazy. And plus it is our job to get right with God, it's not God's fault. So you calling him lazy is irrelevant to anything. You claim the opposite, but don't back it. Instead of helping lead people on a more moral path (which your God doesn't even understand himself) he just kills them (my basis on how he doesn't understand a moral path). Anyway, this is like saying harry potter isn't really a wizard... doesn't matter because he still doesn't exist. :D oh but God did warn them and gave them plenty of time. God even said the only reward of sin is death. So go figure huh. |
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lol,,,the commandments are for Man not God,,,God does not sin against creation, he CREATED it doesn't matter if he follows them or not...you were the one that said that intentionly killing someone is murder .... The unlawful killing of another human being without justification or excuse ( I added intentional and left out unlawful ) ,, it is against the law... laws written for MAN and unable to be applied to God,, because he is just in whatever he does,,,, this of course is my belief,,,,which is why we will have a fundamental difference in opinion when comparing Gods 'accountability' to mankind's Oh, so you support his killing of thousands of infants, children, and the like... really moral of you. morals are subjective,,,I believe God was just ,,,,,to take his creation out of the sin of the world,,, but I believe that is ONLY Gods right to do so... I believe that it's no one's right, imaginary or not, to decide the outcome of anyone else's life. I would never kill someone and say it was just. Hence, i am morally superior both to you and your god. hmm, you wouldnt make a decision about someone elses life if that someone was endangering those you loved? if they were choking your mom or child for instance? ,, you would just stand by and let the chips fall where they may? I'd protect my loved ones at any cost, but if it came to kill them, and if i did, i would never justify that their loss of life was to my benefit. I didnt say that either, I said JUST,, meaning reasonable |
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If I make a model plane,, and I have it on display and someone ELSE takes it,, thats theft,, If I decide to take it, destroy it, give it away,,,thats no offense because it is MY creation to decide what to do with MsHarmony that's an bad analogy ...let's give you one that fits the subject..let's say that you created a human clone in your image...is it ok if you kill it since you created it actually, yes, If I could actually duplicate myself,,It would be within my right to decide what to do with my duplicate,,,, Than i am morally superior to you :D really? so what if this 'clone' had some strange bacteria, that once it got into the air would kill people for thousands of miles around,,,,,,should I allow others to PERISH to save my creation? should I condemn my creation to a life of isolation? or should I send it back to the nothing from which it came and spare others death and spare my clone an isolated life? life and death choices arent always so simple,, or simply about 'morals' You're taking a different take on it. Originally you said that it was your creation, so your right to choose what happens to it in it's life, even though it would be a fully conscious, knowledgeable creature. Now you're arguing semantics and trying to justify your right to kill it :) ITs not a different take, its just a response to a new and different post. It IS Gods creation to do with as he chooses, and he is JUST in his decisions about his creation. Than you are a person who justifies murder. You are a person who justifies infanticide. You are immoral. I dont justify murder, but I justify defense or protection of loved ones I dont justify infanticide, but I justify Gods right to spare his creation of children the sin of the world |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Sun 06/06/10 04:43 PM
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Ok first off lets make it clear that in those times the old testament was the law. And in the old testament people were punished for their sins while still on earth. The only people at that time that was righteous was Moses and his family. So they are the only ones that deserved to get on the ark. Also keep in mind, there wasn't many people that inhabited the earth at that time, people tend to forget that and say stuff like "what about the other thousands that were not on the ark." The flood was to cleanse the world of the sin that was here at that time, so in order to do that the most righteous had to be saved while the others were judged and put to death to cleanse the earth of the disease called sin. It's the same god though? We have systems created that are more efficient at making bad men good than this god character did. This guy not only is immoral but lazy. God is far from lazy. And plus it is our job to get right with God, it's not God's job to get right with us. So you calling him lazy is irrelevant to anything.  Awesome!, thats it in a nutshell,,
either we live life feeling God should make it about us,, or we feel we should make it about God,,, so kewl to see young people understanding that premise,,, |
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I dont justify murder, but I justify defense or protection of loved ones I dont justify infanticide, but I justify Gods right to spare his creation of children the sin of the world Your all powerful god couldn't find another method besides KILLING THEM! THat is not a moral, nor intelligent and all powerful being, but an evil, sinister, immoral being. And you are immoral for defending his actions (as fake as they are) |
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I dont justify murder, but I justify defense or protection of loved ones I dont justify infanticide, but I justify Gods right to spare his creation of children the sin of the world Your all powerful god couldn't find another method besides KILLING THEM! THat is not a moral, nor intelligent and all powerful being, but an evil, sinister, immoral being. And you are immoral for defending his actions (as fake as they are) ....shrugs,,,,,, ok |
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Edited by
CowboyGH
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Sun 06/06/10 04:47 PM
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I dont justify murder, but I justify defense or protection of loved ones I dont justify infanticide, but I justify Gods right to spare his creation of children the sin of the world Your all powerful god couldn't find another method besides KILLING THEM! THat is not a moral, nor intelligent and all powerful being, but an evil, sinister, immoral being. And you are immoral for defending his actions (as fake as they are) you also have to understand death. The ONLY way to die is to not go to heaven, if you go to heaven you will have ever lasting life. So in terms, the only ones that kill anyone is us. For we choose to live according to God or choose to kill ourselves. |
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I dont justify murder, but I justify defense or protection of loved ones I dont justify infanticide, but I justify Gods right to spare his creation of children the sin of the world Your all powerful god couldn't find another method besides KILLING THEM! THat is not a moral, nor intelligent and all powerful being, but an evil, sinister, immoral being. And you are immoral for defending his actions (as fake as they are) you also have to understand death. The ONLY way to die is to not go to heaven, if you go to heaven you will have ever lasting life. So in terms, the only ones that kill anyone is us. For we choose to live according to God or choose to kill ourselves. ... i don't even feel like addressing how silly that sounds. |
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If I make a model plane,, and I have it on display and someone ELSE takes it,, thats theft,, If I decide to take it, destroy it, give it away,,,thats no offense because it is MY creation to decide what to do with MsHarmony that's an bad analogy ...let's give you one that fits the subject..let's say that you created a human clone in your image...is it ok if you kill it since you created it actually, yes, If I could actually duplicate myself,,It would be within my right to decide what to do with my duplicate,,,, so wouldn't you be a murderer if you intentionly kill? Legally, it would entirely depend upon whether the law considered my clone a viable life Legally??????? ... you claim to be a god fearing Christian you said that to intentionly kill someone is murder one of God's commandment is "Thou Shalt not Kill" and now you are willing to use the law to deem that it's ok for you to kill an innocent person ..... MsHarmony.....where's your compassion |
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If I make a model plane,, and I have it on display and someone ELSE takes it,, thats theft,, If I decide to take it, destroy it, give it away,,,thats no offense because it is MY creation to decide what to do with MsHarmony that's an bad analogy ...let's give you one that fits the subject..let's say that you created a human clone in your image...is it ok if you kill it since you created it actually, yes, If I could actually duplicate myself,,It would be within my right to decide what to do with my duplicate,,,, so wouldn't you be a murderer if you intentionly kill? Legally, it would entirely depend upon whether the law considered my clone a viable life Legally??????? ... you claim to be a god fearing Christian you said that to intentionly kill someone is murder one of God's commandment is "Thou Shalt not Kill" and now you are willing to use the law to deem that it's ok for you to kill an innocent person ..... MsHarmony.....where's your compassion running alongside your circular logic ,,,,,, actually, the commandment is translated thou shalt not murder, as there are obviously several incidents in the bible where killing was called for (not to mention killing needed to occur for people to eat) sometimes the choice is not as simple as whether a life will be taken, sometimes it also involves deciding which will be taken and which spared,,,,(as in wartime, or self defense). |
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If I make a model plane,, and I have it on display and someone ELSE takes it,, thats theft,, If I decide to take it, destroy it, give it away,,,thats no offense because it is MY creation to decide what to do with MsHarmony that's an bad analogy ...let's give you one that fits the subject..let's say that you created a human clone in your image...is it ok if you kill it since you created it actually, yes, If I could actually duplicate myself,,It would be within my right to decide what to do with my duplicate,,,, so wouldn't you be a murderer if you intentionly kill? Legally, it would entirely depend upon whether the law considered my clone a viable life Legally??????? ... you claim to be a god fearing Christian you said that to intentionly kill someone is murder one of God's commandment is "Thou Shalt not Kill" and now you are willing to use the law to deem that it's ok for you to kill an innocent person ..... MsHarmony.....where's your compassion running alongside your circular logic ,,,,,, actually, the commandment is translated thou shalt not murder, as there are obviously several incidents in the bible where killing was called for (not to mention killing needed to occur for people to eat) sometimes the choice is not as simple as whether a life will be taken, sometimes it also involves deciding which will be taken and which spared,,,,(as in wartime, or self defense). History has shown us that when christians are in charge of who lives and who dies... a lot more people end up dying. |
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Edited by
funches
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Sun 06/06/10 05:20 PM
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running alongside your circular logic ,,,,,, actually, the commandment is translated thou shalt not murder, as there are obviously several incidents in the bible where killing was called for (not to mention killing needed to occur for people to eat) sometimes the choice is not as simple as whether a life will be taken, sometimes it also involves deciding which will be taken and which spared,,,,(as in wartime, or self defense). oh oh...everytime MsHarmony claim that my logic is circular it means she talked her way into a pickle ...besides now you're double talking to intentionly kill an innocent person is murder you admited that yourself....first you tried to use the law to deem that it was ok for you to kill an innocent person and now you are trying to use the bible to justify why you would break God's Commandment you give a whole new meaning to onward Christian soldiers |
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so did God commit murder and sin when he caused The Great Flood and took ( emphasis on LITTLE) lives? My response is your words... ....it's hard to believe that you would post something like that while we are discussing Adam and Eve Peter_Pan...why?... since those innocent "Little" lives like Adam and Eve also had no knowledge of good and evil when God decided to drown them |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Mon 06/07/10 12:34 AM
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running alongside your circular logic ,,,,,, actually, the commandment is translated thou shalt not murder, as there are obviously several incidents in the bible where killing was called for (not to mention killing needed to occur for people to eat) sometimes the choice is not as simple as whether a life will be taken, sometimes it also involves deciding which will be taken and which spared,,,,(as in wartime, or self defense). oh oh...everytime MsHarmony claim that my logic is circular it means she talked her way into a pickle ...besides now you're double talking to intentionly kill an innocent person is murder you admited that yourself....first you tried to use the law to deem that it was ok for you to kill an innocent person and now you are trying to use the bible to justify why you would break God's Commandment you give a whole new meaning to onward Christian soldiers If I talked my way into a pickle, I doubt that I would STILL be answering such pointless questions murder is the unjustified taking of human life, I would not commit murder, and God CANNOT commit murder because God is always just where is the double talk in that and where did I state it was ok for ME to kill an 'innocent' person? |
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If I talked my way into a pickle, I doubt that I would STILL be answering such pointless questions MsHarmony.....temper temper .... |
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where did I state it was ok for ME to kill an 'innocent' person? geez MsHarmony .....everytime you and Cowboy get in trouble you two conveniently forget the things that you posted ....I'm beginning to think that there may exist an unknown ailment called "Bibilical Alzheimers" but anyway I will remind you what you posted Funches asked: MsHarmony that's an bad analogy ...let's give you one that fits the subject..let's say that you created a human clone in your image...is it ok if you kill it since you created it MsHarmony replied: actually, yes, If I could actually duplicate myself,,It would be within my right to decide what to do with my duplicate,,,, |
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First lawlessness! Then laws laid down! Laws without punishment is to make law non effect and lawlessness again.
If the top source of law and all powers, must have laws obeyed for the people to survive. There are some who would not obey no matter the punishment. To cover all, death had to be the punishment of those who under God himself must be removed from the people or else lawlessness again. A way of redeeming is made for all who desire it. But lesser punishment allows more to break the laws because of weighting the value against the risk. Death must be the final control. If you create a people, some will not obey and without law......rape, murder, stealing,.....etc. If the almighty God says not to do a thing and one chooses to to so.....that person must be destroyed or else weighing of risk and law without effect.......leaves only lawlessness and the self destruction of the people! Atom bombs, wars, diseases, famine, mass death.......because of lawlessness we are heading toward our end....but God will stop us in the nick of time........kinda like the calvery in the westerns. Then a clean sweep will be made.....some saved and some burned. Then it will be his way with those who desire it. Man will have had all opportunity and Satan the best advantage from the start......so that mouths will be shut for all time. |
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If the almighty God says not to do a thing and one chooses to to so.....that person must be destroyed or else weighing of risk and law without effect.......leaves only lawlessness and the self destruction of the people! if what you say was true then God would have destroyed Adam and Eve the moment they disobeyed him thus bringing an end to the human race ....he would have also killed/murdered Satan God said that "Thou Shalt Not Kill/Murder ......but according to the bible God has commanded people to kill/murder ...therefore it is God himself that promotes lawlessness ...even when God performs a miracle it too in actuality would be an act of lawlessness |
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If the almighty God says not to do a thing and one chooses to to so.....that person must be destroyed or else weighing of risk and law without effect.......leaves only lawlessness and the self destruction of the people! if what you say was true then God would have destroyed Adam and Eve the moment they disobeyed him thus bringing an end to the human race ....he would have also killed/murdered Satan God said that "Thou Shalt Not Kill/Murder ......but according to the bible God has commanded people to kill/murder ...therefore it is God himself that promotes lawlessness ...even when God performs a miracle it too in actuality would be an act of lawlessness can you please give some references to your accusation of God commanding people to kill/murder someone? I have no such knowledge. |
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can you please give some references to your accusation of God commanding people to kill/murder someone? I have no such knowledge. Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT) Kill Witches You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB) Kill Homosexuals "If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB) Kill Fortunetellers A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB) Death for Hitting Dad Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB) Death for Cursing Parents 1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB) 2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT) Death for Adultery If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT) Death for Fornication A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB) Death to Followers of Other Religions Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB) Kill Nonbelievers They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB) Kill False Prophets If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB) Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT) That's just a warmup |
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