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HMM....I wouldn't call what you described as socialized healthcare. I figured you would know more about what Hawaii has more than I would (hence my joking comment to you)
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HMM....I wouldn't call what you described as socialized healthcare. I figured you would know more about what Hawaii has more than I would (hence my joking comment to you)
Yea, I did get the hint, just wanted to explain healthcare in Hawaii as best I know it for the other folks in here who seem to think it's something it isn't.  
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HMM....I wouldn't call what you described as socialized healthcare. I figured you would know more about what Hawaii has more than I would (hence my joking comment to you)
Yea, I did get the hint, just wanted to explain healthcare in Hawaii as best I know it for the other folks in here who seem to think it's something it isn't.
I would like to know what was meant as well. as far as I know, there aren't any states with socialized healthcare, but I could be wrong 
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here is another thing my friend said, " Barry obama is NOT my president. Hes just a piece of dog crap that wont go away. get rid of that ******* Harry Reid too. and while at it kick nancy pelosis *** in the drink a thousand miles from shore and make her swim back on her own." I'm glad that I don't have friends that talk like that. 
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I think people are scared that the government will mismanage healthcare funds or create a monopoly by out rating the companies that are competing with them. I say BRING ON THE COMPETITION. Healthcare for everyone at competitive and affordable rates...
Yep. Bring on the competition. Leave the damn government out of it EXCEPT for them to say " Let the companies compete against EACH OTHER. " Competition breeds lower prices, but yet our government STILL insists that it MUST provide an option for people to buy from the government. By all means, set some guidelines. No denying people because of pre existing conditions. Provide coverage for preemptive care. But once those guidelines are set, get the hell out of the way and let those companies compete from coast to coast instead of just regionally. Give people the ability to shop around for the right rate. Once those companies are forced to compete against each other, the prices WILL come down. The biggest problem with the government stepping in is that NO COMPANY ON THE PLANET can compete with the government. THAT is why people are concerned. Even if the basic idea behind it isn't " socialized " care ( which I don't buy for a second because the Dems are basically the Socialist Lite Party ) the fact that even the biggest insurance company will not be able to " compete " with the government will absolutely LEAD to Health Care being socialized. |
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I've only visited Hawaii..i don't live there, i can only speak from my experience. I was hurt and they didn't ask if i had insurance to treat me, and i never paid a dime. Maybe i was special *shrugs*
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I think people are scared that the government will mismanage healthcare funds or create a monopoly by out rating the companies that are competing with them. I say BRING ON THE COMPETITION. Healthcare for everyone at competitive and affordable rates...
Yep. Bring on the competition. Leave the damn government out of it EXCEPT for them to say " Let the companies compete against EACH OTHER. " Competition breeds lower prices, but yet our government STILL insists that it MUST provide an option for people to buy from the government. By all means, set some guidelines. No denying people because of pre existing conditions. Provide coverage for preemptive care. But once those guidelines are set, get the hell out of the way and let those companies compete from coast to coast instead of just regionally. Give people the ability to shop around for the right rate. Once those companies are forced to compete against each other, the prices WILL come down. The biggest problem with the government stepping in is that NO COMPANY ON THE PLANET can compete with the government. THAT is why people are concerned. Even if the basic idea behind it isn't " socialized " care ( which I don't buy for a second because the Dems are basically the Socialist Lite Party ) the fact that even the biggest insurance company will not be able to " compete " with the government will absolutely LEAD to Health Care being socialized. Considering that what you are suggesting is the same thing that we have and that isn't working so well, we are back where we started from if we follow your lead. Not so good. |
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I've only visited Hawaii..i don't live there, i can only speak from my experience. I was hurt and they didn't ask if i had insurance to treat me, and i never paid a dime. Maybe i was special *shrugs* Maybe you never got the bill in the mail or gave a wrong address. I know many here who are self employed who can't afford insurance so they don't have. Maybe it was at one time, dunno? I've been here about nine years & was once without insurance here for a year so from my experience, I don't think what we have here qualifies as social healthcare. |
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Edited by
JustAGuy2112
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Fri 02/26/10 11:41 PM
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I think people are scared that the government will mismanage healthcare funds or create a monopoly by out rating the companies that are competing with them. I say BRING ON THE COMPETITION. Healthcare for everyone at competitive and affordable rates...
Yep. Bring on the competition. Leave the damn government out of it EXCEPT for them to say " Let the companies compete against EACH OTHER. " Competition breeds lower prices, but yet our government STILL insists that it MUST provide an option for people to buy from the government. By all means, set some guidelines. No denying people because of pre existing conditions. Provide coverage for preemptive care. But once those guidelines are set, get the hell out of the way and let those companies compete from coast to coast instead of just regionally. Give people the ability to shop around for the right rate. Once those companies are forced to compete against each other, the prices WILL come down. The biggest problem with the government stepping in is that NO COMPANY ON THE PLANET can compete with the government. THAT is why people are concerned. Even if the basic idea behind it isn't " socialized " care ( which I don't buy for a second because the Dems are basically the Socialist Lite Party ) the fact that even the biggest insurance company will not be able to " compete " with the government will absolutely LEAD to Health Care being socialized. Considering that what you are suggesting is the same thing that we have and that isn't working so well, we are back where we started from if we follow your lead. Not so good. Ummm...try to keep up. Forcing insurance companies into REGIONAL only business does nothing more than create monopolies for the companies in that particular region. THAT is what we have now. THAT is why costs for coverage are so high. The companies know that they are the only game in town so they don't HAVE to lower their prices. Allowing other companies to compete for the same customers, even if the company isn't in the region, would force the end of those monopolies. Supply and Demand is a VERY basic economic idea that is PROVEN. Give the people more choices ( demand ) and allow more companies to compete in the same areas ( supply ) and the costs will go down because those companies are trying to get people to go with them and not the competitor. |
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I think people are scared that the government will mismanage healthcare funds or create a monopoly by out rating the companies that are competing with them. I say BRING ON THE COMPETITION. Healthcare for everyone at competitive and affordable rates...
Yep. Bring on the competition. Leave the damn government out of it EXCEPT for them to say " Let the companies compete against EACH OTHER. " Competition breeds lower prices, but yet our government STILL insists that it MUST provide an option for people to buy from the government. By all means, set some guidelines. No denying people because of pre existing conditions. Provide coverage for preemptive care. But once those guidelines are set, get the hell out of the way and let those companies compete from coast to coast instead of just regionally. Give people the ability to shop around for the right rate. Once those companies are forced to compete against each other, the prices WILL come down. The biggest problem with the government stepping in is that NO COMPANY ON THE PLANET can compete with the government. THAT is why people are concerned. Even if the basic idea behind it isn't " socialized " care ( which I don't buy for a second because the Dems are basically the Socialist Lite Party ) the fact that even the biggest insurance company will not be able to " compete " with the government will absolutely LEAD to Health Care being socialized. Considering that what you are suggesting is the same thing that we have and that isn't working so well, we are back where we started from if we follow your lead. Not so good. Ummm...try to keep up. Forcing insurance companies into REGIONAL only business does nothing more than create monopolies for the companies in that particular region. THAT is what we have now. THAT is why costs for coverage are so high. The companies know that they are the only game in town so they don't HAVE to lower their prices. Allowing other companies to compete for the same customers, even if the company isn't in the region, would force the end of those monopolies. Supply and Demand is a VERY basic economic idea that is PROVEN. Give the people more choices ( demand ) and allow more companies to compete in the same areas ( supply ) and the costs will go down because those companies are trying to get people to go with them and not the competitor. Considering that you are suggesting no change to what we have now. There will not be a difference . |
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We have socialized medicine already here in this country, right?
So all we need to do is extend the coverage of the socialized programs. It really isn't that hard to do. We need to have a public option and I keep writing everyone about it. |
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Medicare and Medicaid are socialized heath coverage in case someone missed it.
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Also indigent programs are socialized healthcare programs in this country.
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I think people are scared that the government will mismanage healthcare funds or create a monopoly by out rating the companies that are competing with them. I say BRING ON THE COMPETITION. Healthcare for everyone at competitive and affordable rates...
Yep. Bring on the competition. Leave the damn government out of it EXCEPT for them to say " Let the companies compete against EACH OTHER. " Competition breeds lower prices, but yet our government STILL insists that it MUST provide an option for people to buy from the government. By all means, set some guidelines. No denying people because of pre existing conditions. Provide coverage for preemptive care. But once those guidelines are set, get the hell out of the way and let those companies compete from coast to coast instead of just regionally. Give people the ability to shop around for the right rate. Once those companies are forced to compete against each other, the prices WILL come down. The biggest problem with the government stepping in is that NO COMPANY ON THE PLANET can compete with the government. THAT is why people are concerned. Even if the basic idea behind it isn't " socialized " care ( which I don't buy for a second because the Dems are basically the Socialist Lite Party ) the fact that even the biggest insurance company will not be able to " compete " with the government will absolutely LEAD to Health Care being socialized. Considering that what you are suggesting is the same thing that we have and that isn't working so well, we are back where we started from if we follow your lead. Not so good. Ummm...try to keep up. Forcing insurance companies into REGIONAL only business does nothing more than create monopolies for the companies in that particular region. THAT is what we have now. THAT is why costs for coverage are so high. The companies know that they are the only game in town so they don't HAVE to lower their prices. Allowing other companies to compete for the same customers, even if the company isn't in the region, would force the end of those monopolies. Supply and Demand is a VERY basic economic idea that is PROVEN. Give the people more choices ( demand ) and allow more companies to compete in the same areas ( supply ) and the costs will go down because those companies are trying to get people to go with them and not the competitor. Considering that you are suggesting no change to what we have now. There will not be a difference . Again. Try to keep up here. What we have now is NOT what I said. Are you so blind as to not see that the insurance companies were granted regional monopolies by the government when they regulated the companies into competing ONLY in specific regions?? Take the monopolies away ( let them compete against each other from COAST TO COAST) and costs will fall. |
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I think people are scared that the government will mismanage healthcare funds or create a monopoly by out rating the companies that are competing with them. I say BRING ON THE COMPETITION. Healthcare for everyone at competitive and affordable rates...
Yep. Bring on the competition. Leave the damn government out of it EXCEPT for them to say " Let the companies compete against EACH OTHER. " Competition breeds lower prices, but yet our government STILL insists that it MUST provide an option for people to buy from the government. By all means, set some guidelines. No denying people because of pre existing conditions. Provide coverage for preemptive care. But once those guidelines are set, get the hell out of the way and let those companies compete from coast to coast instead of just regionally. Give people the ability to shop around for the right rate. Once those companies are forced to compete against each other, the prices WILL come down. The biggest problem with the government stepping in is that NO COMPANY ON THE PLANET can compete with the government. THAT is why people are concerned. Even if the basic idea behind it isn't " socialized " care ( which I don't buy for a second because the Dems are basically the Socialist Lite Party ) the fact that even the biggest insurance company will not be able to " compete " with the government will absolutely LEAD to Health Care being socialized. Considering that what you are suggesting is the same thing that we have and that isn't working so well, we are back where we started from if we follow your lead. Not so good. Ummm...try to keep up. Forcing insurance companies into REGIONAL only business does nothing more than create monopolies for the companies in that particular region. THAT is what we have now. THAT is why costs for coverage are so high. The companies know that they are the only game in town so they don't HAVE to lower their prices. Allowing other companies to compete for the same customers, even if the company isn't in the region, would force the end of those monopolies. Supply and Demand is a VERY basic economic idea that is PROVEN. Give the people more choices ( demand ) and allow more companies to compete in the same areas ( supply ) and the costs will go down because those companies are trying to get people to go with them and not the competitor. Considering that you are suggesting no change to what we have now. There will not be a difference . Again. Try to keep up here. What we have now is NOT what I said. Are you so blind as to not see that the insurance companies were granted regional monopolies by the government when they regulated the companies into competing ONLY in specific regions?? Take the monopolies away ( let them compete against each other from COAST TO COAST) and costs will fall. Again, what you are suggesting is no different than what we have now. The regions you refer to are large regions. Large enough to allow over lapse and competition. So it is you who needs to keep up. |
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I think people are scared that the government will mismanage healthcare funds or create a monopoly by out rating the companies that are competing with them. I say BRING ON THE COMPETITION. Healthcare for everyone at competitive and affordable rates...
Yep. Bring on the competition. Leave the damn government out of it EXCEPT for them to say " Let the companies compete against EACH OTHER. " Competition breeds lower prices, but yet our government STILL insists that it MUST provide an option for people to buy from the government. By all means, set some guidelines. No denying people because of pre existing conditions. Provide coverage for preemptive care. But once those guidelines are set, get the hell out of the way and let those companies compete from coast to coast instead of just regionally. Give people the ability to shop around for the right rate. Once those companies are forced to compete against each other, the prices WILL come down. The biggest problem with the government stepping in is that NO COMPANY ON THE PLANET can compete with the government. THAT is why people are concerned. Even if the basic idea behind it isn't " socialized " care ( which I don't buy for a second because the Dems are basically the Socialist Lite Party ) the fact that even the biggest insurance company will not be able to " compete " with the government will absolutely LEAD to Health Care being socialized. Considering that what you are suggesting is the same thing that we have and that isn't working so well, we are back where we started from if we follow your lead. Not so good. Ummm...try to keep up. Forcing insurance companies into REGIONAL only business does nothing more than create monopolies for the companies in that particular region. THAT is what we have now. THAT is why costs for coverage are so high. The companies know that they are the only game in town so they don't HAVE to lower their prices. Allowing other companies to compete for the same customers, even if the company isn't in the region, would force the end of those monopolies. Supply and Demand is a VERY basic economic idea that is PROVEN. Give the people more choices ( demand ) and allow more companies to compete in the same areas ( supply ) and the costs will go down because those companies are trying to get people to go with them and not the competitor. Considering that you are suggesting no change to what we have now. There will not be a difference . Again. Try to keep up here. What we have now is NOT what I said. Are you so blind as to not see that the insurance companies were granted regional monopolies by the government when they regulated the companies into competing ONLY in specific regions?? Take the monopolies away ( let them compete against each other from COAST TO COAST) and costs will fall. Again, what you are suggesting is no different than what we have now. The regions you refer to are large regions. Large enough to allow over lapse and competition. So it is you who needs to keep up. Hilarious. The regions do NOT " overlap ". They are clearly defined. Once again...the system I am talking about is NOT what we have now. Why is that SO hard for you to understand?? |
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I think people are scared that the government will mismanage healthcare funds or create a monopoly by out rating the companies that are competing with them. I say BRING ON THE COMPETITION. Healthcare for everyone at competitive and affordable rates...
Yep. Bring on the competition. Leave the damn government out of it EXCEPT for them to say " Let the companies compete against EACH OTHER. " Competition breeds lower prices, but yet our government STILL insists that it MUST provide an option for people to buy from the government. By all means, set some guidelines. No denying people because of pre existing conditions. Provide coverage for preemptive care. But once those guidelines are set, get the hell out of the way and let those companies compete from coast to coast instead of just regionally. Give people the ability to shop around for the right rate. Once those companies are forced to compete against each other, the prices WILL come down. The biggest problem with the government stepping in is that NO COMPANY ON THE PLANET can compete with the government. THAT is why people are concerned. Even if the basic idea behind it isn't " socialized " care ( which I don't buy for a second because the Dems are basically the Socialist Lite Party ) the fact that even the biggest insurance company will not be able to " compete " with the government will absolutely LEAD to Health Care being socialized. Considering that what you are suggesting is the same thing that we have and that isn't working so well, we are back where we started from if we follow your lead. Not so good. Ummm...try to keep up. Forcing insurance companies into REGIONAL only business does nothing more than create monopolies for the companies in that particular region. THAT is what we have now. THAT is why costs for coverage are so high. The companies know that they are the only game in town so they don't HAVE to lower their prices. Allowing other companies to compete for the same customers, even if the company isn't in the region, would force the end of those monopolies. Supply and Demand is a VERY basic economic idea that is PROVEN. Give the people more choices ( demand ) and allow more companies to compete in the same areas ( supply ) and the costs will go down because those companies are trying to get people to go with them and not the competitor. Considering that you are suggesting no change to what we have now. There will not be a difference . Again. Try to keep up here. What we have now is NOT what I said. Are you so blind as to not see that the insurance companies were granted regional monopolies by the government when they regulated the companies into competing ONLY in specific regions?? Take the monopolies away ( let them compete against each other from COAST TO COAST) and costs will fall. Again, what you are suggesting is no different than what we have now. The regions you refer to are large regions. Large enough to allow over lapse and competition. So it is you who needs to keep up. Hilarious. The regions do NOT " overlap ". They are clearly defined. Once again...the system I am talking about is NOT what we have now. Why is that SO hard for you to understand?? It is too hard for you to understand that what you are suggesting will bring no change to what we have now because it doesn't make a big enough difference. YOU are not suggesting anything positive to the problem. |
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Really???
Nothing positive at all?? Go ask ANYONE who runs a business what the first thing that drives prices down is. Competition. Supply and Demand. The most BASIC of economic principals. Instead of having three companies competing in a region, which really won't do much to lower prices, having 20 or more companies ALL COMPETING for the same customers absolutely WOULD drive down the costs of coverage. |
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