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I believe in God, my faith is not lost. IF I disrespect someone concerning their 'religious' beliefs or lack of , I hope they will bring it to my attention. You will hardly ever see me ATTACK or initiate some belittling of someone for not believing as I do, although you will see me quite often RESPOND to those who do. This forum is here to discuss religion but yet those on both sides continue to just BELITTLE others for not believing the same thing they do. I respect everyones right to believe what they will, I dont consider them stupid, or lost, or any thing less than I am for their belief. The only difference I see, when it comes to religion, is that some will seek and never find, some will seek and find but deny, and some will refuse to even seek. Those are all personal choices, I begrudge noone theirs ..... very nicely said, it's no one's job on earth to persecute anyone on any kind of thing. |
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I can only look at this from a psychological perspective because I'm not religious. Only you can prove a god exists to you. If you believe in one, it exists, but in your own mind. The reason i say 'in your own mind' is because everyone has their own view of what God is. yes everyone has there own view of what God is. But in reality God is but one thing, one being. Just because someone thinks a chicken is a God does NOT meen that chicken is God, that's what is called a false God. There is only one true God, and only ever will be one true God. Only YOU can find the true God, James 4:8 - Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double minded Mathew 7:7 - Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you What angers me is when people openly mock someone else's belief in what God is, but is totally blind to the idiocy of their own religion. Try looking at your religion from someone elses view. You worship a jew/carpenter that was nailed to a cross, and some how came back to life (much like a zombie) and performed magic all over the land... one trick that was his greatest was helping the drinkers by turning water into wine. Seriously? You anger yourself and think your religion is idiotic? Think about your first sentence, and then look at the entire paragraph. Lol, i have no religion buddy... it's all laughable too me. I see the real world as it is, i don't need a phase of ghosts and spirits behind it :) Right, but you do that which you claim angers you. There's a phrase for that... Too me, it's insane to believe that all matter just appeared from nothing. That's kinda like believing in magic, don't you think? |
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I can only look at this from a psychological perspective because I'm not religious. Only you can prove a god exists to you. If you believe in one, it exists, but in your own mind. The reason i say 'in your own mind' is because everyone has their own view of what God is. yes everyone has there own view of what God is. But in reality God is but one thing, one being. Just because someone thinks a chicken is a God does NOT meen that chicken is God, that's what is called a false God. There is only one true God, and only ever will be one true God. Only YOU can find the true God, James 4:8 - Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double minded Mathew 7:7 - Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you What angers me is when people openly mock someone else's belief in what God is, but is totally blind to the idiocy of their own religion. Try looking at your religion from someone elses view. You worship a jew/carpenter that was nailed to a cross, and some how came back to life (much like a zombie) and performed magic all over the land... one trick that was his greatest was helping the drinkers by turning water into wine. Seriously? You anger yourself and think your religion is idiotic? Think about your first sentence, and then look at the entire paragraph. Lol, i have no religion buddy... it's all laughable too me. I see the real world as it is, i don't need a phase of ghosts and spirits behind it :) Right, but you do that which you claim angers you. There's a phrase for that... Too me, it's insane to believe that all matter just appeared from nothing. That's kinda like believing in magic, don't you think? But if you believe in God, don't you believe in just that? I mean, otherwise where did god come from? Also, i don't claim to know how the world came into existence, that's religious peoples jobs to create answers without explanation. I ask questions, but i rarely know an answer... at least i don't just make crap up. |
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msharmony
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agreed, Big Bang and God take just as much faith to believe
but because there is so much writing about Jesus and biblical times,,,,it at least makes the belief in God seem to have some substance and because, there is so much 'science' behind the big bang theory, it seems to give substance to that as well those who have faith in science should believe we come from the earth and return to it,, and they should be fine when/if that is what happens those who have faith in God, that we came from earth but through him might have eternal life,,, should also be fine when and if that happens I really ponder why either side (myself included) continue to try to 'convince' anyone of anything when it comes to their beliefs..when you really think about it,, its gonna work out for everyone,,,,, man who believes themself their own God will keep the power to embellish and destroy their own lives,,,,, and those who believe in God The Father, will have somewhere to turn IF the Self Gods use their power to destroy everything,, |
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I believe in God, my faith is not lost. IF I disrespect someone concerning their 'religious' beliefs or lack of , I hope they will bring it to my attention. You will hardly ever see me ATTACK or initiate some belittling of someone for not believing as I do, although you will see me quite often RESPOND to those who do. This forum is here to discuss religion but yet those on both sides continue to just BELITTLE others for not believing the same thing they do. I respect everyones right to believe what they will, I dont consider them stupid, or lost, or any thing less than I am for their belief. The only difference I see, when it comes to religion, is that some will seek and never find, some will seek and find but deny, and some will refuse to even seek. Those are all personal choices, I begrudge noone theirs ..... The problem here is that there are too many people that haven't evolved the ability to accept differences in beliefs. They think you are wrong if you don't believe the same way they do. I don't believe in God or any other god or spiritual being, I don't know if I ever will. But I don't mind if you believe in the polar opposite, no matter how crazy or weird in may seem to me. |
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It's just to bad that studies (that I have mentioned, and brought up info on in other threads) and the Prison Population prove your statement wrong. Organic Atheist(Atheists by choice, not force) tend to be more moral, and have lower crime rates, abortion rates, and divorce rates than their religious counterparts. Try as I may to avoid these threads because of my dislike for confrontations, I eventually jump in somewhere because I do read and follow them. I have seen such studies also and have made a point of learning more about them because of my own feelings of organized religion. A factor in why many atheists "tend to be more moral" is because they are given the freedom to choose. Many, most strict religious homes do not give children the option of choosing their religion. It is a thing that they are taught as soon as they can walk. They are drug off to church kicking and screaming. The fear and guilt is implanted from day one. That doesn't go away until they get older and find it's time to work out those issues...we all have had them from this guilt and fear concept that Christianity teaches. For those who want to say..Oh no, my life is great, I never had issues, I liked church, my parents didn't make me go, I was never taught fear..I was taught love. Be honest with yourself at least, no need to post such things. Bottom line is we ALL have issues to deal with. No one can be taught such things as "hell" "fear" "sin" "satan"...just to name a few without it affecting us somehow, it's done at a sub-conscious level. They are put threw some sort of baptism at very young ages. When the time comes to ask questions, many times they are hushed and just told again "this is the truth, if you don't follow this, you'll be at risk of damnation". It isn't resonating with their inner being, their higher self...they rebel, they fight against it, they want to choose their own truth. An atheist is given the freedom to look at ALL religions, do their own research, come to their own conclusions, follow their hearts. They come to peace with themselves that way. The self destructive behavior isn't necessary. The dulling of pain isn't necessary, the acting out isn't necessary. No one wants to be told what to believe. Those given the choice will rarely act out with behavior issues that eventually lead to crimes as they move into adulthood. This isn't rocket science. It's a simple concept of freedom to choose what resonates with yourself. Well intending adults do this to their children, always have...hopefully not " always will". It is the domestication of humans being passed on generation after generation. It is the greatest lie being passed on and on. As a parent I understand the responsibility we have to teach our children. The best thing we can do is give them the opportunity to look at ALL religions, ALL traditions, ALL cultures. Not force our own belief system on them. My boys have been to several Christian churches, a Buddhist Temple, A Krishna Temple, and they see me practice my Shamanism. They have been exposed to all. They get to pick for themselves which resonates in them, I don't force them to practice Shamanism with me. They don't get in trouble, don't drink, don't do drugs...hell, my almost 19 year old is still a virgin. They don't have a desire to dull an ache and pain from being oppressed, living in fear and they don't pack guilt around with them. I respect ur peaceful heart and always will, and believe it or not, those who know me consider me extremely peaceful as well. I know we often compare what WE have been through with others,, and when we are young we believe it is normal and what everyone goes through. However, I was indeed given a choice, there was no beating or guilt or any of that used to make me believe what I believe. I also dont drink, dont do drugs, and dont get in 'trouble'. I was a virgin until 17. These were all choices I made because they set in my heart as the right thing to do. As I have stated in these threads before,, there is ALOT of information in the bible. AT younger ages it is hard if not impossible to grasp ALL of it. But as a child,, my parents were already instilling certain values and principles in me that made sense and felt right, I trusted my parents completely and they didnt let me down. I had no reason to believe they would ever tell me anything that would harm me or set me back,,,this is all WITHOUT church What church did was reinforce what my parents were already teaching me, about balance, about actions and consequences, about the power of thought, about loving others and respecting elders..etc.. As a child, the Lord was the star of the bible for me. His ability to guide(like my parents did us), his ability to love(like my parents did us), and his willingness to sacrifice for my good(like my parents did). The Lords life was one that I respected and chose to try and emulate. His words, (loving God, loving your neighbor as yourself, and doing to others as you want done). It was my PARENTS who taught me valuable lessons and church and the bible re inforced those lessons and explained their purpose even further. How fortunate for you to be born with the sheep mentality... some of us don't have it. Those of us who don't have the sheep mentality don't appreciate the automatic label of "sinner." |
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I believe in God, my faith is not lost. IF I disrespect someone concerning their 'religious' beliefs or lack of , I hope they will bring it to my attention. You will hardly ever see me ATTACK or initiate some belittling of someone for not believing as I do, although you will see me quite often RESPOND to those who do. This forum is here to discuss religion but yet those on both sides continue to just BELITTLE others for not believing the same thing they do. I respect everyones right to believe what they will, I dont consider them stupid, or lost, or any thing less than I am for their belief. The only difference I see, when it comes to religion, is that some will seek and never find, some will seek and find but deny, and some will refuse to even seek. Those are all personal choices, I begrudge noone theirs ..... The problem here is that there are too many people that haven't evolved the ability to accept differences in beliefs. They think you are wrong if you don't believe the same way they do. I don't believe in God or any other god or spiritual being, I don't know if I ever will. But I don't mind if you believe in the polar opposite, no matter how crazy or weird in may seem to me. wrong is a moral measure,, so I would defer to another post I made,,, it all works out in the end,,,,those who believe whatever they believe will get what they are believing,, I sincerely believe that,,lol for instance, i have been taught in school that to get a good job I needed to have a degree. I could debate with others that a good job is possible without a degree and many will tell me I am 'wrong'. This is their point of reference according to the information THEY have. Their information COULD be wrong,,in which case their assessment of my chances would also be wrong and I would be right. Their information could be right, in which case their assessment of my chances would also be right and I would be wrong. Most people are going to choose to take a stand on what information is the RIGHT information(that is human) and they will use that as their foundation for decisions and judgment. The same is true of religion. I happen to believe God is real and those who say he isnt are WRONG. However, my opinion means nothing, in the end,,unless I am correct in the information I have which I will only know once its all said and done. sigh,, done,,lol |
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It's just to bad that studies (that I have mentioned, and brought up info on in other threads) and the Prison Population prove your statement wrong. Organic Atheist(Atheists by choice, not force) tend to be more moral, and have lower crime rates, abortion rates, and divorce rates than their religious counterparts. Try as I may to avoid these threads because of my dislike for confrontations, I eventually jump in somewhere because I do read and follow them. I have seen such studies also and have made a point of learning more about them because of my own feelings of organized religion. A factor in why many atheists "tend to be more moral" is because they are given the freedom to choose. Many, most strict religious homes do not give children the option of choosing their religion. It is a thing that they are taught as soon as they can walk. They are drug off to church kicking and screaming. The fear and guilt is implanted from day one. That doesn't go away until they get older and find it's time to work out those issues...we all have had them from this guilt and fear concept that Christianity teaches. For those who want to say..Oh no, my life is great, I never had issues, I liked church, my parents didn't make me go, I was never taught fear..I was taught love. Be honest with yourself at least, no need to post such things. Bottom line is we ALL have issues to deal with. No one can be taught such things as "hell" "fear" "sin" "satan"...just to name a few without it affecting us somehow, it's done at a sub-conscious level. They are put threw some sort of baptism at very young ages. When the time comes to ask questions, many times they are hushed and just told again "this is the truth, if you don't follow this, you'll be at risk of damnation". It isn't resonating with their inner being, their higher self...they rebel, they fight against it, they want to choose their own truth. An atheist is given the freedom to look at ALL religions, do their own research, come to their own conclusions, follow their hearts. They come to peace with themselves that way. The self destructive behavior isn't necessary. The dulling of pain isn't necessary, the acting out isn't necessary. No one wants to be told what to believe. Those given the choice will rarely act out with behavior issues that eventually lead to crimes as they move into adulthood. This isn't rocket science. It's a simple concept of freedom to choose what resonates with yourself. Well intending adults do this to their children, always have...hopefully not " always will". It is the domestication of humans being passed on generation after generation. It is the greatest lie being passed on and on. As a parent I understand the responsibility we have to teach our children. The best thing we can do is give them the opportunity to look at ALL religions, ALL traditions, ALL cultures. Not force our own belief system on them. My boys have been to several Christian churches, a Buddhist Temple, A Krishna Temple, and they see me practice my Shamanism. They have been exposed to all. They get to pick for themselves which resonates in them, I don't force them to practice Shamanism with me. They don't get in trouble, don't drink, don't do drugs...hell, my almost 19 year old is still a virgin. They don't have a desire to dull an ache and pain from being oppressed, living in fear and they don't pack guilt around with them. I respect ur peaceful heart and always will, and believe it or not, those who know me consider me extremely peaceful as well. I know we often compare what WE have been through with others,, and when we are young we believe it is normal and what everyone goes through. However, I was indeed given a choice, there was no beating or guilt or any of that used to make me believe what I believe. I also dont drink, dont do drugs, and dont get in 'trouble'. I was a virgin until 17. These were all choices I made because they set in my heart as the right thing to do. As I have stated in these threads before,, there is ALOT of information in the bible. AT younger ages it is hard if not impossible to grasp ALL of it. But as a child,, my parents were already instilling certain values and principles in me that made sense and felt right, I trusted my parents completely and they didnt let me down. I had no reason to believe they would ever tell me anything that would harm me or set me back,,,this is all WITHOUT church What church did was reinforce what my parents were already teaching me, about balance, about actions and consequences, about the power of thought, about loving others and respecting elders..etc.. As a child, the Lord was the star of the bible for me. His ability to guide(like my parents did us), his ability to love(like my parents did us), and his willingness to sacrifice for my good(like my parents did). The Lords life was one that I respected and chose to try and emulate. His words, (loving God, loving your neighbor as yourself, and doing to others as you want done). It was my PARENTS who taught me valuable lessons and church and the bible re inforced those lessons and explained their purpose even further. How fortunate for you to be born with the sheep mentality... some of us don't have it. Those of us who don't have the sheep mentality don't appreciate the automatic label of "sinner." Semantics is both an interesting and valid topic of debate and something I studied with great interest in school. Sinner, has many synonyms, many definitions,, and I have no issue using some other synonymous desciption to assess the reality that noone has lived their lives NEVER doing anything wrong. So , perhaps instead of sinner, I could uninsultingly assess that you are as IMPERFECT as all of us? |
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You are right msharmony about faith in God or Big Bang theory. The difference being that the Big Bang theory has physical and calculable evidence. That's why it's easier for me to believe in science, even though it doesn't explain everything, and is wrong on occasion.
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You are right msharmony about faith in God or Big Bang theory. The difference being that the Big Bang theory has physical and calculable evidence. That's why it's easier for me to believe in science, even though it doesn't explain everything, and is wrong on occasion. I respect that, I actually believe Big Bang hasnt really been 'proven' with any definitive evidence, I also think it totally logical and possible that much of science itself is just mans explanation of how God made things to work... |
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I can only look at this from a psychological perspective because I'm not religious. Only you can prove a god exists to you. If you believe in one, it exists, but in your own mind. The reason i say 'in your own mind' is because everyone has their own view of what God is. yes everyone has there own view of what God is. But in reality God is but one thing, one being. Just because someone thinks a chicken is a God does NOT meen that chicken is God, that's what is called a false God. There is only one true God, and only ever will be one true God. Only YOU can find the true God, James 4:8 - Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double minded Mathew 7:7 - Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you What angers me is when people openly mock someone else's belief in what God is, but is totally blind to the idiocy of their own religion. Try looking at your religion from someone elses view. You worship a jew/carpenter that was nailed to a cross, and some how came back to life (much like a zombie) and performed magic all over the land... one trick that was his greatest was helping the drinkers by turning water into wine. Seriously? You anger yourself and think your religion is idiotic? Think about your first sentence, and then look at the entire paragraph. Lol, i have no religion buddy... it's all laughable too me. I see the real world as it is, i don't need a phase of ghosts and spirits behind it :) Right, but you do that which you claim angers you. There's a phrase for that... Too me, it's insane to believe that all matter just appeared from nothing. That's kinda like believing in magic, don't you think? But if you believe in God, don't you believe in just that? I mean, otherwise where did god come from? Also, i don't claim to know how the world came into existence, that's religious peoples jobs to create answers without explanation. I ask questions, but i rarely know an answer... at least i don't just make crap up. Of course, God ultimately equates to magic. God, by my logic, must always have existed. No begining, no end, the cause of everything. A true religious person doesn't create answers, that person seeks answers or the "truth". I don't just make crap up but I can't speak for anyone else, including the authors of the Bible. But if you look at the Bible, you will see an astounding amount of scientific claims about the Earth, space and time that people from 3000 years ago would have called "made up". What is also intriguing is the study of numerology and the Old Testament. The Bible instructs people to seek the truth, so ask your questions. Do your own research and find your own answers. Don't allow anyone else to control your mind. I'm not telling you to go look up those examples, I'm just giving you ideas for questions... |
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Of course, God ultimately equates to magic. God, by my logic, must always have existed. No begining, no end, the cause of everything. A true religious person doesn't create answers, that person seeks answers or the "truth". I don't just make crap up but I can't speak for anyone else, including the authors of the Bible. But if you look at the Bible, you will see an astounding amount of scientific claims about the Earth, space and time that people from 3000 years ago would have called "made up". What is also intriguing is the study of numerology and the Old Testament. The Bible instructs people to seek the truth, so ask your questions. Do your own research and find your own answers. Don't allow anyone else to control your mind. I'm not telling you to go look up those examples, I'm just giving you ideas for questions... Oh my. Then what about the Aztecs? They had the stars tracked for the next 5000 years... does that mean their religion is right as well? |
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You are right msharmony about faith in God or Big Bang theory. The difference being that the Big Bang theory has physical and calculable evidence. That's why it's easier for me to believe in science, even though it doesn't explain everything, and is wrong on occasion. I respect that, I actually believe Big Bang hasnt really been 'proven' with any definitive evidence, I also think it totally logical and possible that much of science itself is just mans explanation of how God made things to work... The Big Bang theory has not been proven, you are scientifically correct on that. But there is alot of evidence for it. The theory could be wrong. The evidence could be pointing to something different. |
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Of course, God ultimately equates to magic. God, by my logic, must always have existed. No begining, no end, the cause of everything. A true religious person doesn't create answers, that person seeks answers or the "truth". I don't just make crap up but I can't speak for anyone else, including the authors of the Bible. But if you look at the Bible, you will see an astounding amount of scientific claims about the Earth, space and time that people from 3000 years ago would have called "made up". What is also intriguing is the study of numerology and the Old Testament. The Bible instructs people to seek the truth, so ask your questions. Do your own research and find your own answers. Don't allow anyone else to control your mind. I'm not telling you to go look up those examples, I'm just giving you ideas for questions... Oh my. Then what about the Aztecs? They had the stars tracked for the next 5000 years... does that mean their religion is right as well? For me, no. For others, that's their choice. Everyone should come to their choice on their own, otherwise it's not a choice. There are very similar stories and claims throughout many various religions. Does that mean they're all made up? Or does that hint that there may be some possible truth in everything? |
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Of course, God ultimately equates to magic. God, by my logic, must always have existed. No begining, no end, the cause of everything. A true religious person doesn't create answers, that person seeks answers or the "truth". I don't just make crap up but I can't speak for anyone else, including the authors of the Bible. But if you look at the Bible, you will see an astounding amount of scientific claims about the Earth, space and time that people from 3000 years ago would have called "made up". What is also intriguing is the study of numerology and the Old Testament. The Bible instructs people to seek the truth, so ask your questions. Do your own research and find your own answers. Don't allow anyone else to control your mind. I'm not telling you to go look up those examples, I'm just giving you ideas for questions... Oh my. Then what about the Aztecs? They had the stars tracked for the next 5000 years... does that mean their religion is right as well? For me, no. For others, that's their choice. Everyone should come to their choice on their own, otherwise it's not a choice. There are very similar stories and claims throughout many various religions. Does that mean they're all made up? Or does that hint that there may be some possible truth in everything? Or does it mean the space overlords planted us here and each one we came into contact with we considered a god. There is a thing called truth, you think that truth is Jesus, some other person thinks that truth is the Flying Spaghetti Monster... but reality doesn't point to either :). I of course respect your decision to believe whatever you want, however, what you choose to believe i have virtually no respect for :D |
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Or does it mean the space overlords planted us here and each one we came into contact with we considered a god. If you look at all the archeological evidence throughout the world you could the Greys are the source for all major religions throughout time. I know it's a crazy theory, but since I believe in intelligent life outside of this solar system, it's easy for me to believe. |
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Or does it mean the space overlords planted us here and each one we came into contact with we considered a god. If you look at all the archeological evidence throughout the world you could the Greys are the source for all major religions throughout time. I know it's a crazy theory, but since I believe in intelligent life outside of this solar system, it's easy for me to believe. LOL, it's no less crazy than a jew walking on water. In fact it's far more believable. |
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There is a thing called truth, you think that truth is Jesus, some other person thinks that truth is the Flying Spaghetti Monster... but reality doesn't point to either :). I of course respect your decision to believe whatever you want, however, what you choose to believe i have virtually no respect for :D There's your problem, you think you can perceive reality. I don't want you to respect what I believe, I want you to respect your own beliefs, not someone elses. If someone tells you Buddhism is the best religion, find out for yourself why. I don't care what you think I consider truth. The truth is, if you respected my decision at all, you wouldn't have compared Jesus to the Flying Spaghetti Monster. |
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For those who have had an encounter with GOD, and yes, I have had many encounters with so-called gods (little 'g'), you know it to be the real one, like when you compare Kraft Dinner with a knock-off grocery store brand. There is no comparison.
God proves his existence to you individually. You can't then go and prove it to someone else, except by leading a life of example and recovery from a broken life, etc. It's up to each of us to ALLOW God to prove His existence, His will and His love for us. All this "prove it to me" stuff got stale back in the middle ages. I can't prove to you how something tastes, can I? No, you taste it too, and then we have roughly a common experience of Faith that potatoes won't taste like chocolate next week. Hmmmm... chocolate potatoes.... |
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There is a thing called truth, you think that truth is Jesus, some other person thinks that truth is the Flying Spaghetti Monster... but reality doesn't point to either :). I of course respect your decision to believe whatever you want, however, what you choose to believe i have virtually no respect for :D There's your problem, you think you can perceive reality. I don't want you to respect what I believe, I want you to respect your own beliefs, not someone elses. If someone tells you Buddhism is the best religion, find out for yourself why. I don't care what you think I consider truth. The truth is, if you respected my decision at all, you wouldn't have compared Jesus to the Flying Spaghetti Monster. I already told you i don't respect your decision, it's idiotic, just like the Flying Spaghetti monster. I said i respect your right to believe that :) |
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