the thread ask that he do it without using scripture ....

YES,,,,cut MY heart OUT,,,and OPEN IT UP,,,
YOU will SEE HIM.....



WELL,,,,,go ahead already and stop complaining about
NOT KNOWING,,,,PLEASE,,,DO-IT,,,and FIND,,all that YOU have MISSED.


Then I can MEET HIM IN PERSON ALSO,,,,,,,

translated that means:..illusion works best with a willing particapate

The fact of the matter is, when proving there is or isnt, the burden of proof falls upon the individual proving that there is. There are many pieces of evidence in support that there is no God, but without scriptures, it simply falls upon statistics. The church claims that in the lake in which the Virgin Mary ascended into heaven upon her death, that for about 150 years, 80 thousand tourists go there and touch or drink the water for healing or miracle purposes. So, I will go ahead and take the burden of proof for busting this open. If you round it down to 50 thousand people a month for 150 years, that comes to 90 million people. 66 of these peoples ailments that went away were certified to truly be miracles. That is less that .001 percent. And with many of these, they are ailments that wouldve gone away with proper medical attention. In the regards to miracles, this could be used to show that there are not truly miracles, based on the overwhelmingly small statistic. There were no truly written accounts of the life of Jesus, the gospels were written 20 to 30 years after his death.Under any logical testing, this does not hold up. Also, in the mediterranean sea area, many stories very similar to the life of Jesus were passed around for thousands of years. Much of the story of Jesus could easily be claimed plagerism of the story of Horus. Both were considered the savior of humankind, both born to a virgin mother, both baptized in a lake at a young age, which the baptizer would be beheaded, both healed the sick, restored eyesight to the blind, both raised the dead, both were killed in a horrific fashion, both rose from the dead 3 days later and ascended into heaven. There are many cultural, scientific, logical, and historical examples that can be used to disprove God, but without scriptures, there really isnt much of anything to prove there is a god.

Yup.

So I suppose that the fact that your body is not only a work of art, but that everything in it is created to function at just the precise intervals to keep you alive day to day came from a "big bang"?

I suppose that the fact that if earth was any closer to the sun we'd burn up and any further away we would freeze is due to just mere coincidence.

I suppose that the brain capable of conceiving and creating every invention inspired up to today came from some marcupial sludge that eventually evolved into man?

You may not see the wind.
But you see evidence of its existance. You feel it and you know it is there.
When you have witnessed the birth of a child -you have seen evidence of God.

Keep in mind, most of the Earth is technically considered inhabitable for humans. We have adapted. This is not God, this is a basic law of darwinism.

Evolution is a very long drawn out process, spanning hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of years. Proof of evolution would be sub-species. Many religious people fail to effectively prove how sub-species that form due to a change in environs as part of "God's great plan". It is easily explained by adaptation to a climate/environmental change.

Once again, the human brain is a marvel of evolution. The earth is older than 6 thousand years, thanks to carbon dating for that proof. There are human fossils that are over 1.4 million years old, not 6 thousand years old. Besides, we only use approximately 5-8 percent of our brains capacity. Thus, if the human brain was constructed by a God, it is faulty. So God is a prick with a sick sense of humor, or he screwed up.

I have seen no empiracal evidence of God, nor ever will. People used to believe God held us to the ground and that gravity was blasphemy. Through several theorums and tests conducted, we learn. Followers of God dont look to prove an existance of God, your only options are "believe it or else". It is so surprising that in an age of knowledge, we still cling to bronze age superstitions. And about the wind, people used to credit that with being God's presence, but that was disproven.

Very last time, no quotes.
Proving there is no God.
Cosmos,Galaxies, Universe,Stars,planets,
Animals,Incects,microbes,virus,Genes,to
Sub Atomic Structure strands of our molecular
bits. Last BIRTH and if somehow, someway

Men Women do chose to love form families.
If there is no God and this is all Evolved
Nature: Then maybe there's no God only
randomness and we're all here by accident
not design. Comforting thought.

Ok,no God, all is random. Hope Cuddles who left
finally gets it, Oh, she will yet she to is still
loved and that's what sticks in her craw

Proof is a matter of convincing someone of something, but a man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.

The answer to your question would depend entirely on what kind of proof you would require to be convinced.

If you saw a vision of "God" would you believe it real? Or would you convince yourself that you were having an hallucination?

If you became one with God would you believe that you were God or would you think someone just slipped you some acid?

I think only God can prove it,,,He has proven it to me,,but it is an individual experience and an individual knowledge

amen!

sparky, I was really loving what you were writing, right up to that 5-8% of our brain nonsense.
For the luv of pete, how do people still think this? How does this make sense to anyone? Has anyone ever heard of anyone ever getting any kind of brain injury whatsoever where the doctor comes back and says "eh, don't worry about it. You weren't using that part anyway"???? NO!!! You know why? BECAUSE YOU BLOODY WELL USE 100% OF YOUR BRAIN.

talk about your tragically persistant and stupid urban myths...

I've seen the birth of a child. All I saw a slimy mess w/ a stinky baby in it.
I did experience a profound feeling though. Never before was I so glad I have a penis.

That's very nice.
So if I never believe, it's God's fault for never proving it to me.
I like that. That's good stuff.

Okay, bad example for not being explained thoroughly on my end. With the human brain, 5-8 percent is used consciously, while the other 92-95 percent is used sub-consciously. There is still a lot of debate as to whether or not it is possible to use any of the larger percent consciously. If we can tap into more of the subconscious brain to use consciously, then we would be inherently flawed on creation. A better example of proof of God's non-existence would be the spleen. It doesn't really serve much of a purpose anatomically, but it used to. This is a piece of anatomy which, through evolutionary processes, does not have a purpose anymore. So, would God add something to the formula that is unnecessary and useless? Would this mean, as a creator, that a creation of God's, made in his image, was flawed upon creation? And if so, would this mean that the creator's ability and skill was flawed?

no, its not about blame or fault. Its about individual desire to seek and willingness to believe. We find what we look for, if we are looking for the 'evidence' that he doesnt exist,, Im sure we can convince ourselves we found it. We can come up with self made conclusions about what constitutes proof of our belief,, God is not to be tested, he is to be saught

The easiest way to test the God theory is, place a plastic bag over your head and tie it on real tight. (I would recommend Hefty Lawn Bag.) Then, sit in a chair or lay on a bed. To make sure you don't back out of the experiment, handcuff your hands behind yer back.

Report back on what you find.

OR disprove it by creating any of his creations,, without using his creations,,,,


there will be no proof or disproof beyond what the seeker wishes to see or not see. IN the end, we all can believe what we wish to believe,,,it doesnt bother me nor will I question anyone that doesnt believe,,yet,,,,so many question the believer(is that elitism? or a hidden desire to find something that is missing?)

But the ones who question the believers do not openly state, "For not believing, you will be cast to eternal damnation, while I, as a believer, will not." This is where elitism comes in. Elitism is to assume that persons that dont believe (...yet) will someday "admit they are wrong and will learn that your opinion is right". I like the plastic bag idea though, it's a better way for religious nutjobs to try to prove their myth instead of praying for us all to die. You know what I mean. The rapture, of course. One more note, christians are about as selfish as they are "elite". According to Christianity, the sabbath day is the day in which God rests. An all-powerful god needing to "take a break"? Plus, the sabbath day (sunday) is the most commonly-referred to day for christians to pray to their god for things. What kind of joke is that? "I know its your day off, but heres my list of wants..."

I can't believe this topic is still going lol.

Neither side can prove or disprove, you will never be able to disprove God to a true believer. They will believe in their savior no matter what anyone else says, this goes for any religion not just christianity.

For the record, witnessing the birth of a baby only proves that the parents had sex that's all. Since the egg can't do its thing without a sperm. So that is not a valid proof of God's existance.