The second paragraph you bring up reminds me of an interesting story. Recently, in Europe, there was an advertising campaign on buses that said that god might not exist. There were protesters directed at the advertising firm for their ad campaign. It went to the courts to handle it. The courts mandated that they had to remove their ads from the buses because "as much as they couldnt prove that god exists, they couldnt disprove it either."

I respect your interpretation, but I have never condemned anyone to damnation, that will be Gods decision and not mine. Elitism takes on many forms, including looking down upon the 'intelligence' of others who have faith, I dont see much difference in atheist doing that or a christian looking down upon the 'morality' of non believers. We are just different and when either side needs to belittle or condemn the other,,,true conversation and debate is lost along with any chance to learn from each other. As far as prayer, we are to pray EVERYDAY as christians,,,

I agree Foliel,, those in the middle can be convinced. Many start out christians and lose faith along the way. Many were not always Christian but gained faith along the way. Those in the middle may go either way. But someone who TRULY Believes wont be convinced otherwise and someone who TRULLY disbelieves wont either....such is life.

the thread is simply pointing out that no one has any evidence that God exist beyond scripture

their is no evidence of God without looking for it. But again their isn't any evidence that their isn't a God. It all comes from faith and following your heart of what feels right and what doesn't. Their is absolutely no way to prove weather thier is a god or not.

you can only look for it in the scriptures is what the thread has shown

no their is more then just the scriptures. Again for me for instance, all the medical laws said i would and should be dead right now but for some mysteriouse reason i'm not. No man made reason can state why i'm still here today, and this happens alot not just my incendent.

Who's to say the "Bible" is the correct text? There are
other religious writings that predate the Bible.

Cowboy...if the fact that you are alive proves that there is a God..then according to your logic wouldn't the fact that people are dead proves that God didn't exist

lol no, our lives are nothing but a test. We will get the results of our test after we pass away. Simple things such as finding people that deny the lord and all his greatness, turning your head and walking away or trying to show them the lord. Obviousely if one turns and walks away they have failed that test, but if they stay and continue to actively attempt to show God to this person they have passed their personal test. Weather or not they succeeded in their trials, the fact that they stayed to stick up for God is why they've passed the test. And many other tests through lives, this one was just simple to show.

The proof of there not being a god is as simple as a spleen. The spleen is left over from our evolutionary process. It serves no purpose, but it used to. With adaptation and evolution, any purpose it used to serve is now unnecessary. To state there is the existance of god is contradictory, and the spleen is such simple proof of it. Ponder this, if we were made by god, then the spleen was added for no purpose. It would be a situation in which the creator sabotaged his grandest creation "in his eyes". Does this mean that god is deluded enough to intentionally sabotage his own work? Would this mean that if man was created in the physical image of god, then god himself is inherently flawed? If the creation is flawed and is created in the image of the creator, then the creator must be flawed also. But a perfect god cant be flawed. So, this brings the conclusion that if there is a god, then god inherently is not perfect. In mentality, god is easily jealous and is wrathful, both of which are mortal sins. So then, by conclusion, god is much more humanistic than we think. But for a god to be all powerful, but yet show some of the worst human traits, how can such a god truly exist? Therefore, such a god couldnt and doesnt exist. Its great how something so small and insignificant like a spleen can help us answer one of lifes greatest mysteries.

how do you figure spleen isn't needed?

a large dark-red oval organ on the left side of the body between the stomach and the diaphragm; produces cells involved in immune responses

the bible is the correct text because Yahweh ....oops I meant because God says so

then according to your logic everyone that is dead fail the test ....

rofl no. When we pass away on earth our test is done. And we go to be judged on our actions on earth.

no you go to the grave....you have no evidence that anything else takes place beyond what you read in scripture.....the thread asks can you provide evidence without scripture

put it this way....you know any zombies?

no their would be no possible tangible evidence of anything after we pass away on earth. But the choice to believe is up to you, just you'll have to face the conscaquences of what you want to believe. So since their is no tangible proof of anything after we die, not weather we just turn to dust, or if their is a heaven or hell i will leave this conversation because their is absolutely no way to prove either way.

My fault, wrong part indicated. You are right, the spleen is used, I withdraw my statement in regards to the spleen. But in correction, one could easily discuss the tonsils. The tonsils are virtually useless and can cause infection in the body. There was the scientific belief that the tonsils were needed throughout life to catch bacteria and other airborne infectious diseases. Medical science has shown that the tonsils have no purpose and are useless. The current thing is that they MIGHT have a use up until the age of 3, but even that is under heavy scientific scrutiny. Its the same concept of how circumcision prevents disease. Medical science has proven that circumcision does not do anything in regards to preventing infection of the genitalia. In the same sense, the tonsils do nothing for prevention of bacterial infection.

tonsils are not nesacarily unused, they help fight against upper respitory invections. Yes we can live without them, but we can also live with only one arm, we can live with only one leg, we can live without alot of body parts, does not make them any less of importance.

Cowboy...in other words ...you can not prove God or anything you have said without using scripture