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This is a repeat post and we already determined it was debunked last time. 
Yes, I guess the ice sheets are melting from the cold. 
no, but if you can tell me how us not changing anything caused the global warming thing we were all warned about to pull a 180 into the cooling we're now facing, i'm all ears. I think the recent documents and facts coming to light are going to turn the educational world on it's side. I'm sure we're looking at trillions worldwide that have been invested into the research of this f'n topic and everyone jumped on the bandwagon because it's free money. Climate cycles are normal. Man-made, I'm completely doubtful that we can do that and I believe it is completely arrogant to think we have that much control. Actually I have already posted the exact answers to your question and have specifically pointed you to the correct source of information. If you don't have time to read it, you are just taking a position from a position of ignorance. The science is clear how a global warming trend can cause localized cooling while the average temperature of the Earth goes up. It can (and has) caused localized short ice ages over much of North America and Europe. This effect is caused by redistribution of the Earth's heat by the oceans. On a much quicker and localized basis, the warmer oceans create warm moist air which rises creating large low pressure areas. Cold (high pressure) air spills in from the poles to fill the void i.e., low pressure. The more low pressure the more movement of arctic and antarctic air which results in localized cooling ... for awhile. There are no straight lines in weather records. The temps spike up and down with trends that go up or down. The problems with global climate change are not the crap that get sensationalized. The problems have to do with "tipping points" which are events caused by global warming that increase global warming. These tipping points cause rapid changes that the animals on the planet can't cope with because the change is happening too quickly, people included. There is a good chance much of the grain growing areas of North America and Europe are going to be drastically reduced in productivity for several years, at least. The economics of world hunger are going to come into play. Animals cannot migrate anymore because the wild ones only exist in preserves surrounded by man. When areas of grassland turn to desert (as they are doing now), but more rapidly, the animals are going to die. We are killing the rainforests. Global warming is not about freezing to death or needing more air conditioning. It is about geopolitics of hunger and mass extinction of most of the animal and plant species on Earth. Almost EVERYONE who is scientifically qualified to understand the actual data on global warming agrees that most of the warming is due to CO2 produced by man. Most are now realizing that the warming is occurring faster than predicted and most are realizing that new tipping points are being found that are making matters worse. New Zealand has been experiencing some of the most dramatic warming of any area. The nearby icecaps are melting. Any news report of the data stating that New Zealand actually has no warming trend and the data was falsified doesn't have a clue. I've been there. It was more a sarcastic answer on my part. To me, the facts coming to light lately just confirm what I felt all along: we're being duped. Sure, there are many scientists all over the planet that are in agreement the climate is changing. There are many rallied against it. However, when the government is handing out large checks to research something, and if that something turned out to be nothing the checks would stop, I see a severe conflict of interest. The "facts" you refer to are not facts. Just like many who do not understand global warming, you are taking an isolated incidence and projecting it to mean way more that it could have any possibility of meaning. The majority of the weather is caused by interaction between energy and the oceans. The oceans were studied before global warming and the majority of the money being spent is not to study the oceans "harder". {quote} ne of my favorite comedy bits that I feel sums up the issue nicely: "everybody's convinced that the earth has a problem because it's getting so hot. But how come I don't hear a single, intellignet individual suggest the seemingly obvious possibility that the earth is just fine; but there's something wrong with the sun? I'm not a scientist, but I'm pretty sure that's where all the heat's coming from. All I'm saying is, when my living room gets hot, I don't blame the living room." This is truly an excellent example of why common sense without education gets you into trouble so fast. The temperature of the atmosphere was measured above the greenhouse gasses and below the greenhouse gasses and it was found out that the temperature of the upper atmosphere was not warming, as it would from increased solar activity. But of course that would not make your "sum" add up. And of course everyone on the planet knows that if you put a blanket over you, you get warmer. CO2 is an excellent blanket ... unless you have some axe to grind against global warming. We are too fixated on one issue because it is a cash cow of epic proportions. If it was more impartial, I may be more inclined to believe it, but it's not. It's just another way that they are trying to control us. It is not the politicians who are screaming global warming (maybe with the excepting of Al Gore who really doesn't understand the topic that well). They are reacting (or not) to the screams of people who they have learned from in the past. This same scenario was played out decades ago with the topic being depletion of the ozone layer. The same wave of ignorant naysayers used the same faulty logic but the science prevailed. The ozone hole is now healing itself due to CFCs being banned worldwide. If this measure had not been taken, we could have all ended up dead. Learn some science. You are not inclined to believe it because you do not understand it. |
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I admit, I do not fully understand the sciences behind it, but when i see a conflict of interest and these recent emails, and the other articles on how some of the original reports were based on a sample of just a few records, I get very skeptical.
I argue against it for practicality's sake. being green will destroy our nation unless everyone else jumps on. I don't know climatology, but I know economics very well and there is no way for us to turn green without crippling this nation. frankly, i don't care that much about the planet to triple expenses. i buy CFLs because they are more economical and fully believe in being responsible for you actions by minimizing electricity use, recycling, and other day-to-day actions. I do not support green technologies primarily on an economic outlook. |
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This is the perfect example of people picking and choosing the " evidence " they find credible based on nothing more than what they choose to believe.
Try to tell a Christian that God doesn't exist and you'll get just about the same reaction as you would when you tell someone who believes in global warming that it isn't man made. They will point to this, that and the other...scream that it's obvious, when the only thing that is obvious is that NONE of their " evidence " pints directly to man as the cause of global warming. Funny thing is, the people who are still shouting from the rooftops about " climate change " ( which is what they have to call it now since things have actually been cooling off for the last ten years or so ) will accept what a certain group of scientists say because that is what they want to believe. In the meantime, they will completely discount anything another group of scientists ( equally qualified ) because it just isn't what they want to hear. |
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So what do you think?
Al Gore gonna man-up at Copenhagen...? or will he tail-tuck and run to momma? |
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So what do you think? Al Gore gonna man-up at Copenhagen...? or will he tail-tuck and run to momma? I think Al Gore will try to spin the whole thing in an attempt to make it appear that he hasn't been swindling the entire world for the last 15 years. But....have you noticed that he hasn't said a WORD at this point??? |
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So what do you think? Al Gore gonna man-up at Copenhagen...? or will he tail-tuck and run to momma? Gonna pull a Dubya and stick to his guns regardless of the truth in the opposition *cough* WMDs *cough* |
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Naw I think he's gonna run to cover the real smoking gun before someone hacks out something vital.
or a mouse deserts a sinking ship and squeals to the right ears. It's quite interesting watching something you know is a fraud come apart about the fraudsters ears second by second day by day. Tick tick. |
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If you notice, you'll see they changed from calling the hoax global warming to climate change.
Reason for that is many areas have been, in the last few years, experiencing record cold seasons. It's understandable, Gov. subsidized scientists would push the BS as something for real. Wouldn't be good for their bottom line if they didn't. |
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the real issue is that some right wing lunatic broke the law by hacking into and stealing said emails....a guest on Hannity said that breaking the law for the "greater good" is acceptable. shame on you.
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the real issue is that some right wing lunatic broke the law by hacking into and stealing said emails....a guest on Hannity said that breaking the law for the "greater good" is acceptable. shame on you. Law... Moral Conscience... Which would you have applied if you KNEW beyond a doubt that a GLOABAL HOAX was being perputated upon the WHOLE human race? and to not act would cost lives at some point... Would you hack or follow the law? |
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the real issue is that some right wing lunatic broke the law by hacking into and stealing said emails....a guest on Hannity said that breaking the law for the "greater good" is acceptable. shame on you. No. That is NOT the " real issue ". That is the issue those responsible for the hoax would very much LIKE for everyone to concentrate on. THE issue is the fact that an awful lot of people were running a HUGE con game that could have cost the people of the world untold trillions of dollars. This reminds me of the ACORN sting done by a couple of young people. Rather than concentrate on the fact that there were an awful lot of corrupt people involved in ACORN, the Liberals wanted to raise a ruckus about those two young people getting prosecuted. All in an attempt to take the focus off the real issue at hand. |
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This is a repeat post and we already determined it was debunked last time.
Yes, I guess the ice sheets are melting from the cold.
No, ice sheets are melting from cyclical changes that pencil necked fear mongers won't admit have been going on since the beginning. NOTE: cyclical. I agree with dragoness in that we need to stop polluting the planet and in the same breath I also believe we have those in the scientific community that want to convince us all just how intelligent they are, even if they have to twist the truth and lie. Hey, it's easy to lie but hard to maintain the lie. |
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This is a repeat post and we already determined it was debunked last time.
Yes, I guess the ice sheets are melting from the cold.
No, ice sheets are melting from cyclical changes that pencil necked fear mongers won't admit have been going on since the beginning. NOTE: cyclical. I agree with dragoness in that we need to stop polluting the planet and in the same breath I also believe we have those in the scientific community that want to convince us all just how intelligent they are, even if they have to twist the truth and lie. Hey, it's easy to lie but hard to maintain the lie. Does google have satalites in position to measure the ice at the poles? I don't see loss... Looks about the same as it did in the seventies...? Only real loss I can see is the Ross Ice Shelf... which has an active volcano warming it. |
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Edited by
Fanta46
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Wed 12/09/09 08:44 AM
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Because Standard Temperature and Pressure (STP) is the basis of all wide ranging weather measurements but it doesn't seem to make sense to someone who who doesn't understand the science behind it. The adjustment of the temperatures when the location changes altitude is universal. The other thread you posted, saying almost the same thing, was about emails that complained about non-professionals being excluded because they were non-professionals. I read the emails that were picked out as the "worst" and they meant almost nothing. Perhaps you should read about STP and see what it means before you start quoting some reporter who doesn't understand it either. BTW, when I was in New Zealand there was a big hubbub about the ski slopes closing in prime time because global warming had given them no snow. Spot on! No need for me to go through the explanation. LOL, Like it would ever do any good. LOL The critics, here as with the emails, seem to be looking and pouncing on keywords of negativity to make a controversy. To the unknowing and radicals the misconception is easily concocted, quick, and willingly believed. |
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Edited by
JustAGuy2112
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Thu 12/10/09 09:41 PM
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Just another example of Al Gore's true " genius ".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns_4pzfOSTc According to good ole Al...who is the person that nearly EVERYONE relies on for their Global Warming propaganda....the Earth, just a couple of kilometers down under the crust, is " several million degrees " and GeoThermal energy is the way to go. So, according to Al, and some more of that fabulous ' science ' that proves Global Warming, the Earth's core is actually 333 TIMES hotter than anyone ever figured!!! Now THAT'S some serious Global Warming. |
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i just have to chuckle whenever someone says "hoax". Is man contributing as much as some say, probably not...but there still isn't anything wrong with putting measures into place to prevent the pollution of the planet and cleaner energy sources. Whenever i see someone throw trash out of their car, which 8 times out of 10 is done by someone with a Bush bumpersticker, it disgusts me.
When I was on a family cruise with my brother that's in the U.S. Navy, i witnessed them dump trash overboard at sea which is also equally disgusting. |
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I've been reading this thread with interest because it has little to do with whether or not global warming is a real issue or not and is more about bashing whatever political person/party you find on the other side of the question; "Hoax or not?"
I'd like to suggest that a lot of the jumping up and down about this issue is about people who unwilling to make any personal life changes to manifest the outcomes in a positive way - whether by contributing to a better climate via your personal choices or by expressing your views in a reasonable manner to the politicians who will behave however their constituency tells them to behave (they just want job security via re-election, valid science or not.) Whatever side you are on, when people 'debate' an issue by name-calling and finger pointing, it doesn't lend any credibility to their position. So whether or not you believe in global warming (and I see a lot of good hard science to back that up as reality, even when politicians I don't particularly like say the same thing) you aren't making your case stronger just by roasting politicians as the barometers of truth and good science. |
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