I agree..... but you left out daddy who is feeding the favored
child (Israel)

Somebody has to do a lot of backpaddling fairly rapid, I don't think the
US will be much longer in the position to provide the support Israel
will need. They are both trapped between a rock and a hard place.

Daddy didn't start the conflict, he just profits from it. (applies to
whatever region you wish to throw the dart at on the map)

The forgotten refugees of the Israelii-Palestinain Conflict.

http://www.iflac.com/jac/jac/ForgottenRefugees.htm

Not sure if this thread is dead or not...but figured with everyone else
re-writing history..I would add my re-write to the record. First the
title of thread "Israeli occupation of Palestine" is a mis-nomer..there
is no "Palestine"..the Palestine people where thrown out of Jordan,
Egypt and Lebenon for being "undersireables" kinda like arab
gypsies..they were thieves, cons and the like.So the "Palestinian
Territory" was just a name for the region that these undisrables existed
in..not an actual "country" with defined borders. Second..When the U.N.
charter gave the Jewish people their own land or state if you will...it
was nothing but barren land and desert that no one wanted anyway.It
wasn't until their hard work and investing millions of dollars( financed
mainly by U.S. dollars) in irrigation and industry that it became a
fruitful and beautiful place to live... that is when the so
called"Palestinians"wantedin on the bounty. Third..It was Jordan, Eygpt
and Lebenon that attacked Israel in 1967 (for the above mentioned
resons) and Isreal just happened to defeat all three countries in that
war...now in a historical prospective...we in the United States see this
differently then anyone else in the world because we are the ONLY
country in HISTORY that does NOT conquer, In other words...every country
in every war in history that "wins" takes and keeps the territory from
the country they battle...We are the first and only country that does
not follow that policy. So Israel kept the land that they conquered in
that war when THEY were attacked.It should be noted that they have
returned most of the land they "won" back to Eygpt, Jordan, Lebonon and
even to "Palestine" when indeed they did not have to according to
historical presedent and international law. Also..calling Israel a
"jewish state"is not a very accurate statement..there are many Arabs
that live and work peacefully in Israel and even take part in the
government as well as many Christians too.In conclusion..I think most
(not all) arab countries don't have an issue with Israels existance..its
more that they don't want to have the Palestinians coming back into
their own countries then anything else...sure all Palestinians are not
crooks,thieves and terrorists..probably most want to work hard and
accomplish what the Isaeli people have done but unfortunately as in alot
of cases its the terrorists that get the finanacing from rouge
governments or entities that control the agenda.As long as we have
radical fundamentalist Islamic "states" financing the government of
"Palestine" there will be no peace regardless of what Israel gives up or
does..its just contraryto the whole fundamentalist Islamic idealogy
whose stated purpose is to turn the whole world (yes..even us) into an
Islamic global society. If the Country of Isreal was to move to
Texas...they would still find away to attack..car bomb etc the people of
Israel. In Short..I think if the Palestinian people were allowed to vote
(without fear of retribution) on wanting their own state as defined by
the last U.N charter..it would be passed overwelmingly but unfortunately
that will never happen as long as Hamas or the Fatah parties exist
there. So for now and the forseeable future we must help defend Israel
and stop the funding of Palestinian violence from outside sources.
ok..now I need a drink

Morning, everyone!

I'm meeting deadlines these days so can't post. Redy, I have not
forgotten your excellent questions.

Imkeys -- thanks for your thoguhts, and I'll get back, too.

Fanta and Andrea stop having so much fun. I'm JEALOUS!

Alex, sweet one....

Harry, move over a bit! Where's my pole? You know I'll bring my own
bait, if I can just get this hook out of my mouth.

Red Wine, we will have to go back and review history if you think that
Palestine and the Palestinians never existed! In the meantime, could
you dig back and see the Palestine population stats I posted some time
ago? If you are up for reading things I can post several history
sources that are pretty good.

Greetings to all, and have a super day!



Oceans

Ok Oceans..if you can show me any map pre 1948 that shows a bordered
Palestinian state I will concede. Taken right from encylopedia...The
term Palestine is derived from the name of the Philistines, a people of
uncertain origins, possibly Aegean, who, in the 12th century BCE,
settled along the southern Mediterranean coastal plain and disappeared
several centuries later....also from encyclopedia...In historical
contexts, especially predating the establishment of the State of Israel,
Palestine was mostly a geographical term, particularly used in Greek,
Latin, Arabic, and other languages taking their geographical vocabulary
from them; it comprised the Roman sub-province of Syria Palaestina,
roughly equivalent to ancient Canaan (including the Biblical kingdoms of
Israel, Judah, Moab, Ammon, and Philistia) and thus included much of the
land on either side of the Jordan River although with further political
sub-divisions along the River Jordan valley. So I stand by my assertion
that there is no Palestine as defined as a country with set borders and
that the land palestine refers to, has been shared by many for thousands
of years including the biblical Jews.

Serchin4MyRedWine,

Arafat received a Nobel Peace Prize for being a terrorist. There will
never be peace as long as Israel exists. I sit here waiting for your
analysis to be parsed into oblivion or for you to be dismissed as
uneducated enough to grasp the situation.

Sorry about that, I must need my coffee.

Hi, Red Wine!

Quick posting -- I can show you dozens! I'll get back to you with their
names and dates. Some of them have been published in a collection of
plates of maps of Palestine -- I have it in my library -- and will get
you that reference.

I'm off to work and will get you the leads later.


Oceans

yes Oceans..but I'll bet every map you find will show different
geographical regions as "Palestine"..because I'm not saying the "term"
Palestine did not exist...quite the contrary...I'm saying Palestine as a
internationally reconnized
Country with defined borders has never existed...the term Palestine has
been used very "loosely" to define a region that you can say still
covers parts of countries with reconnized borders like Jordan, Lebenon
etc...so do we give back all their land to the so called Palestines too?

Serchin4MyRedWine,
You're rocking now. The British created Jordan which later annexed the
West Bank. Should the "Palestinians" claim sovereign rights to Jordan as
well?

1920, British Palestine, includes areas that are now Lebanon and Jordan.
As well as parts of other countries. It was called British Palestine!!!!


http://www.solarnavigator.net/geography/geography_images/Palestine_British_Mandate_1920.jpg

Hi, Red Wine,

I'm back at my desk. Before I start listing a few of the maps, I'd like
to ask you a question.

How did you come to this idea that Palestine as a distinct political
entity hasn't existed on maps?

British Palestine? Are you saying that Jordan is not part of the land
of "Palestine?" And since when does a notation on a map mean a
sovereign right to territory? Prussians unite!!! Take back your
land!!!! I have a map right here that says it's yours.

Or "Iroquois Nation", Imkeys?

I am just responding to Red Wine, and waiting for him to answer my
question, before I give him the info on the maps.

Oceans

Thanks for the levity. BTW, it should be I'm Keys, so please call me
Keys which is my usual internet handle.

http://www.passia.org/palestine_facts/MAPS/0_pal_facts_MAPS.htm


This link provides a rake of maps, maybe it gives you an overview.

News flash, Iroquois homicide bomber strikes again. Leader takes
Tomahawk to U.N. and waves it before general assembly, is given Nobel
Peace Prize. Levity off.

Regards, Keys

Thats a good link Invisible.....
Cool, I found some that were dreww up by the French too...
I like your link better though, Thanks!!!