Topic: 4 Mosques Being Taken Over by US Govt
tohyup's photo
Fri 11/13/09 06:37 PM

Wonder how long investigations went on before the busted to mosques.

Anything siezed by the Gov. generally goes up for public auction. Wouldn't that be neat to own a muslim mosque?

I'd turn it into a skating rink.:thumbsup:

Iran has too much oil and does not need the American pennies disclosed here . I predict that all charges if any will be thrown out by the courts .

Quietman_2009's photo
Fri 11/13/09 06:40 PM
Edited by Quietman_2009 on Fri 11/13/09 06:41 PM
bet they don't

Iran has lots of oil and almost zero refining capacity

they have to buy gasoline from other countries

and all that money doesnt go to their economy. It goes to Hamas, and Hezbollah, and Al Queada in Iraq

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Fri 11/13/09 08:25 PM
Edited by Thomas3474 on Fri 11/13/09 08:28 PM

For me this is not new news. America has been funding the Taliban also if you do a research. Many will have open jaws after reading my last sentence, but look into it and you will see something is not right. They also had a special on this on 60 minutes as reporters looked at the real cause of this war. Alot of private companies (weapon contractors) are making big profits for their own needs caring less if it sacrifices American lives. The terrorist groups ensure weapon sales.

It is a big mess and all those involved should face justice including Americans that participated in ruining the peace amongst simple people.

Concerning Iran. I have nothing against Iran getting Nucleur capability to ensure their people to have electricity. Who are Americans to tell Iran what they should have? Iran isn't a country to mess with since it has Russia and China backing it up. If they are TRULY trying to get nucleur missile capability then we can then do something about it, yet Iran has complied with every law thrown on them. They are not trying to create missiles.

If America attacks Iran then they will just do the same mistake they did when they attacked Iraq.

Perhaps the United States government is just freezing assets from going to Iran to prevent the government of Iran to have the money. The US governments reason would be that they don't want Iran to have any funding incase it will go to terrorist activities.

If the courts can prove that this money is being actually funded for terrorist activities then there should be justice served. I don't support any terrorist activities from any country or person and punishment should occur. Afterall, we are talking about innocent lives being sacrificed. Common sense tells me that it is all wrong and should be stopped.

This requires closer investigation before we just start pointing fingers at anyone.







I am not sure where you are getting your news(or if you are only getting your news from moveon.org) but you are absolutely dreaming if you think Iran is perusing nuclear power for peaceful purposes.In case you haven't heard Iran has threatened Israel and the United states with total destruction so many times I have lost count.Iran has said hundreds of times that Israel will go up in a ball of fire.It is hardly a secret that the majority of weapons and bombs seized from terrorist caught in Afghanistan are all coming from Iran.Iran also calls for the death and destruction of all Christians..


In March 2006, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said, “Iran has been the country that has been in many ways a kind of central banker for terrorism in important regions like Lebanon through Hezbollah in the Middle East, in the Palestinian Territories, and we have deep concerns about what Iran is doing in the south of Iraq.” U.S. Director of National Intelligence Michael McConnell said in June 2007 there is “overwhelming evidence” that Iran supports terrorists in Iraq and “compelling” evidence that it does the same in Afghanistan.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/3506544/Iran-receives-al-Qaeda-praise-for-role-in-terrorist-attacks.html


Iran receives al Qaeda praise for role in terrorist attacks
Fresh links between Iran's Revolutionary Guards and al-Qaeda have been uncovered following interception of a letter from the terrorist leadership that hails Tehran's support for a recent attack on the American embassy in Yemen, which killed 16 people.


Delivery of the letter exposed the rising role of Saad bin Laden, son of the al-Qaeda leader, Osama as an intermediary between the organisation and Iran. Saad bin Laden has been living in Iran since the fall of the Taliban in Afghanistan in 2001, apparently under house arrest.

The letter, which was signed by Ayman al-Zawahiri, al-Qaeda's second in command, was written after the American embassy in Yemen was attacked by simultaneous suicide car bombs in September.

In the letter al-Qaeda's leadership pays tribute to Iran's generosity, stating that without its "monetary and infrastructure assistance" it would have not been possible for the group to carry out the terror attacks. It also thanked Iran for having the "vision" to help the terror organisation establish new bases in Yemen after al-Qaeda was forced to abandon much of its terrorist infrastructure in Iraq and Saudi Arabia.

There has been intense speculation about the level of Iranian support for al-Qaeda since the 9/11 Commission report into al-Qaeda's terror attacks against the U.S. in 2001 concluded that Iran had provided safe passage for many of the 9/11 hijackers travelling between Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia prior to the attacks.

Scores of senior al Qaeda activists - including Saad bin Laden - sought sanctuary in Iran following the overthrow of the Taliban, and have remained in Tehran ever since. The activities of Saad bin Laden, 29, have been a source of Western concern despite Tehran's assurances that he is under official confinement.

But Iran was a key transit route for al Qaeda loyalists moving between battlefields in the Middle East and Asia. Western security officials have also concluded Iran's Revolutionary Guards have supported al-Qaeda terror cells, despite religious divisions between Iran's Shia Muslim revolutionaries and the Sunni Muslim terrorists.

Iran is active in Yemen, Osama bin Laden's ancestral homeland. The country has been a focal point for al-Qaeda, which has found relatively easy targets in its lawless environment. "Yemen is now a key strategic base for al-Qaeda's operations, as well as being fertile recruitment territory," said a senior Western security official. "Iran's Revolutionary Guards have provided important support in helping al-Qaeda to turn Yemen into a major centre of operations."

Apart from the terror attacks against the US embassy al-Qaeda has also threatened to attack the British and Saudi Arabian embassies in Yemen.

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Fri 11/13/09 08:46 PM
I am with Smiless on this one. If this story is not being sensationalized and exaggerated then we are doing good but if this is a case of profiling and suspicions then it is not right for our government to do this. Hopefully it will come out in the wash.

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Fri 11/13/09 08:52 PM
there's no evidence this group is tied to Iran...it's another example of singling out an islamic group because of their religion.

metalwing's photo
Fri 11/13/09 10:39 PM

there's no evidence this group is tied to Iran...it's another example of singling out an islamic group because of their religion.


No, it is an example of ALL the evidence connecting the group to Iran and having nothing to do with religion.

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Fri 11/13/09 11:04 PM

Israel's prime minister is accusing Iran of committing a war crime for allegedly trying to send an arms-laden ship to the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah.

Benjamin Netanyahu says the ship that Israel seized Wednesday contained rockets and other weapons that Hezbollah would have used to kill "as many civilians as possible," as he put it.

Hezbollah denied Thursday having any connection to the hundreds of tons of weapons on the vessel intercepted by Israeli commandos near Cyprus. The group also condemned what it called Israeli piracy in international waters.

Mr. Netanyahu called on the U.N. General Assembly and Security Council to take action against Iran over the shipment. Israel says the Antiguan-flagged vessel, named Francop, was carrying Iranian weapons to Syria for eventual delivery to Hezbollah in Lebanon.

Israel has not provided proof of Iranian and Syrian links to the ship, which the two countries deny.

Israel's military seized the vessel after it left the Egyptian port of Damietta and brought it to the Israeli port of Ashdod. The military says it found the weapons hidden among civilian cargo and recovered an Iranian document showing the shipment originated in Iran.

Israeli authorities put the weapons on display Wednesday. Hezbollah fired thousands of rockets at northern Israel when the two sides fought a month-long war in 2006. The war ended with a U.N. Security Council-backed truce that placed an embargo on arms shipments to Hezbollah.

-VOA

tohyup's photo
Sat 11/14/09 05:50 AM

there's no evidence this group is tied to Iran...it's another example of singling out an islamic group because of their religion.

Agreed .
All this propaganda is to justify two tyrannic wars in both Iraq and Afghanistan and to make of the real terrorists who are killing innocent, weak and helpless people some kind of imaginary heroes .
G.W. Bush used the same policy of lies and deceit .

MirrorMirror's photo
Sat 11/14/09 05:53 AM

there's no evidence this group is tied to Iran...it's another example of singling out an islamic group because of their religion.
:thumbsup: right on brother:thumbsup:

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Sat 11/14/09 06:16 AM


there's no evidence this group is tied to Iran...it's another example of singling out an islamic group because of their religion.

Agreed .
All this propaganda is to justify two tyrannic wars in both Iraq and Afghanistan and to make of the real terrorists who are killing innocent, weak and helpless people some kind of imaginary heroes .
G.W. Bush used the same policy of lies and deceit .

Are you for real? I was never a fan of George W Bush but nearly a year later you are still bashing him. Let's put him in the past and move on. If the investigation has been going on for 10 years, which by the way would put it under the Clinton administration, and if there is legimate proof then I'm all for seizing the property. Does it matter whether it was an Islamic Mosque or a Catholic Church? Not to me! If the funds are going to support terrorism then do what needs to be done to stop the flow of money. In the meantime the US government should allow the Mosque to continue to be used by the innocent people who relied upon its services.
As far as Americans funding terrorism against Americans---I don't think any American who is giving to charity ever gives that a thought. So my question is how do we as Americans know that when we give from our hearts that we are doing something good and not funding these types of activities?

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Sat 11/14/09 06:21 AM



there's no evidence this group is tied to Iran...it's another example of singling out an islamic group because of their religion.

Agreed .
All this propaganda is to justify two tyrannic wars in both Iraq and Afghanistan and to make of the real terrorists who are killing innocent, weak and helpless people some kind of imaginary heroes .
G.W. Bush used the same policy of lies and deceit .

Are you for real? I was never a fan of George W Bush but nearly a year later you are still bashing him. Let's put him in the past and move on. If the investigation has been going on for 10 years, which by the way would put it under the Clinton administration, and if there is legimate proof then I'm all for seizing the property. Does it matter whether it was an Islamic Mosque or a Catholic Church? Not to me! If the funds are going to support terrorism then do what needs to be done to stop the flow of money. In the meantime the US government should allow the Mosque to continue to be used by the innocent people who relied upon its services.
As far as Americans funding terrorism against Americans---I don't think any American who is giving to charity ever gives that a thought. So my question is how do we as Americans know that when we give from our hearts that we are doing something good and not funding these types of activities?


Right on, Ms delilady!flowerforyou

As for the claim of no evidence. How many years do you have investigating these mosques?

Anything remotely associated with Sharia should be investigated and either eliminated or sent back to Mecca.

delilady's photo
Sat 11/14/09 06:43 AM
Just curious,tohyup. How do you know you are not the one believing propoganda and I am the one who knows the truth? I will believe you when you can show me the proof until then you are feeding me propoganda in my opinion.

tohyup's photo
Sat 11/14/09 06:54 AM

Just curious,tohyup. How do you know you are not the one believing propoganda and I am the one who knows the truth? I will believe you when you can show me the proof until then you are feeding me propoganda in my opinion.

Huh.....happy propaganda and happy tyrannic wars on those who are poor, helpless, weak and can not defend themselves .
At least Hitler fought those with might and force !!!.

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Sat 11/14/09 08:28 AM
Edited by Quietman_2009 on Sat 11/14/09 08:29 AM
I'm sure you think Iraq was better off under Saddam

with the torture chambers built special for little girls. So the fathers could watch as their daughters were raped and tortured?

or the nerve gas attacks on his on people. what was it? 30,000 he killed in one village alone? and 40 Kurdish villages destroyed by nerve gas attacks?

or Uday and Qusai (the sons) grabbing brides on their wedding day to rape and torture them before returning them to their husbands?

and don't forget what they are now calling "the rape of Kuwait". thousands of Kuwaitis executed for resisting the invasion. not killed in battle but stood up against a wall and shot. I personally saw the highway with thousands of stolen Kuwaiti cars being ferried back to Iraq

Victims of torture in Iraq are subjected to a wide range of forms of torture, including the gouging out of eyes, severe beatings and electric shocks... some victims have died as a result and many have been left with permanent physical and psychological damage." -Amnesty International



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Sat 11/14/09 04:22 PM


If this is true then justice has to be served. I hope those responsible for trying to hurt innocent lives will get punished or those planning to. drinker

G.W Bush and his supporters with their policies hurt millions of lives and got away with their crimes.....rant rant .
what biggrin:laughing:

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Sat 11/14/09 05:03 PM
Edited by Atlantis75 on Sat 11/14/09 05:06 PM



Once again, this thread is not about G W Bush. This thread is about hundreds of millions of dollars of Iranian owned rental property in the US being used to finance terrorist activities with the rental income produced by the property.


It's easy to label anyone a "terrorist". Also, it's easy to parrot what the media burps up and believe everything they say religiously.

Requirements: Must live or came from the Middle East
Religion: Islam


Let's look at the history who armed Iran, who backed Iran, who supplied arms to Iran, who threw over the government of Iran.

Here is all the documented events by the news, media, history

Be my guest and read through. No need to read every article, just read the significant event titles in the not-so-past history.

http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=us_plans_to_use_military_force_against_iran

delilady's photo
Sat 11/14/09 05:19 PM
I'm a little confused because I am not sure where in the original post Muslims or the Islamic religion were being targeted for any blame. I thought it was about the Iranian government owning these properties and using the funds they received from the rent and the charitable contributions to fund terrorism. I no more hold every Muslim accountable for the actions of some than I would want to be help accountable for the actions of some priests in the Catholic Church. I thought this thread was about funding terrorism and not about religion. If I'm wrong then I missed the whole point of the discussion.

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Sat 11/14/09 05:22 PM

I'm a little confused because I am not sure where in the original post Muslims or the Islamic religion were being targeted for any blame. I thought it was about the Iranian government owning these properties and using the funds they received from the rent and the charitable contributions to fund terrorism. I no more hold every Muslim accountable for the actions of some than I would want to be help accountable for the actions of some priests in the Catholic Church. I thought this thread was about funding terrorism and not about religion. If I'm wrong then I missed the whole point of the discussion.


Seems to happen here much...flowerforyou

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Sat 11/14/09 05:30 PM

I'm a little confused because I am not sure where in the original post Muslims or the Islamic religion were being targeted for any blame. I thought it was about the Iranian government owning these properties and using the funds they received from the rent and the charitable contributions to fund terrorism. I no more hold every Muslim accountable for the actions of some than I would want to be help accountable for the actions of some priests in the Catholic Church. I thought this thread was about funding terrorism and not about religion. If I'm wrong then I missed the whole point of the discussion.

I explained my opinions according to my knowledge and my conscience .
We do not see things the same due to our difference in education, interests,.....etc. The USA has been living in a barrage of lies and propaganda for many years now . The world hoped things will change with Obama and unfortunately the same crap is continuing . Some people are like robots and believe all propaganda coming from the Administration and the media . we as humans must use our brains and our knowledge to find the truth .

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