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I'm a little confused because I am not sure where in the original post Muslims or the Islamic religion were being targeted for any blame. I thought it was about the Iranian government owning these properties and using the funds they received from the rent and the charitable contributions to fund terrorism. I no more hold every Muslim accountable for the actions of some than I would want to be help accountable for the actions of some priests in the Catholic Church. I thought this thread was about funding terrorism and not about religion. If I'm wrong then I missed the whole point of the discussion. You didn't miss anything. Sadly the people praying at the mosque and the renters of the office buildings were all (supposedly) funding Iranian terrorism to the tune of millions of dollars a year without knowing who the landlord was. The FBI said a lot of the money was being routed through fake non profit organizations to avoid paying taxes. |
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Edited by
tohyup
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Sat 11/14/09 05:56 PM
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I'm a little confused because I am not sure where in the original post Muslims or the Islamic religion were being targeted for any blame. I thought it was about the Iranian government owning these properties and using the funds they received from the rent and the charitable contributions to fund terrorism. I no more hold every Muslim accountable for the actions of some than I would want to be help accountable for the actions of some priests in the Catholic Church. I thought this thread was about funding terrorism and not about religion. If I'm wrong then I missed the whole point of the discussion. You didn't miss anything. Sadly the people praying at the mosque and the renters of the office buildings were all (supposedly) funding Iranian terrorism to the tune of millions of dollars a year without knowing who the landlord was. The FBI said a lot of the money was being routed through fake non profit organizations to avoid paying taxes. It is beyond me to believe that Iran who is very rich in oil, gaz and resources will use the US mosques for monetary gains . Before 9/11 the US started living in a blitz of propaganda against Islam and Muslims for two reasons : to justify the tyrannic wars against the Muslim countries and to have support from the Masses who oppose unjust wars . So I see this case as just another case of propaganda for political reasons . |
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I'm a little confused because I am not sure where in the original post Muslims or the Islamic religion were being targeted for any blame. I thought it was about the Iranian government owning these properties and using the funds they received from the rent and the charitable contributions to fund terrorism. I no more hold every Muslim accountable for the actions of some than I would want to be help accountable for the actions of some priests in the Catholic Church. I thought this thread was about funding terrorism and not about religion. If I'm wrong then I missed the whole point of the discussion. You didn't miss anything. Sadly the people praying at the mosque and the renters of the office buildings were all (supposedly) funding Iranian terrorism to the tune of millions of dollars a year without knowing who the landlord was. The FBI said a lot of the money was being routed through fake non profit organizations to avoid paying taxes. It is beyond me to believe that Iran who is very rich in oil, gaz and resources will use the US mosques for monetary gains . Before 9/11 the US started living in a blitz of propaganda against Islam and Muslims for two reasons : to justify the tyrannic wars against the Muslim countries and to have support from the Masses who oppose unjust wars . So I see this case as just another case of propaganda for political reasons . No, if you read the suit by the US, the laws concerning funding, sending money to Iran, falsification of non profit status, etc., were being broken. Regardless of whether of not someone agrees with US law, it is still US law. If you ignore the mosques altogether and just consider the office rental, the faking of a nonprofit to avoid taxes on rental income is a felony. Sending the money to Iran is illegal and subjects the property to confiscation, which is what happened. |
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its about time te gov. made a serious effort to shut down terrorist assets in this country. without money terrorists can not operate this is there week point we need to hit it hard.
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the biggest funding source for the IRA was America too
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the biggest funding source for the IRA was America too Now the relatives of the victims of the IRA are asking Libya for billions and not the USA . How come ?. Is it because Libya is a small country with lots of oil ?!!!. |
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Atlantis75
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Sat 11/14/09 08:19 PM
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"It is inevitable as your environment and society conditions what you believe or do, either against or for whatever the consensus is - And if you are against the consensus then you are out of the loop."
<--- hello me. I want you to get mad. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_qgVn-Op7Q |
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the biggest funding source for the IRA was America too Now the relatives of the victims of the IRA are asking Libya for billions and not the USA . How come ?. Is it because Libya is a small country with lots of oil ?!!!. I don't get that. What does Libya have to do with the Irish Republican Army? |
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the biggest funding source for the IRA was America too Now the relatives of the victims of the IRA are asking Libya for billions and not the USA . How come ?. Is it because Libya is a small country with lots of oil ?!!!. I don't get that. What does Libya have to do with the Irish Republican Army? Libya was selling them Semtex. |
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the biggest funding source for the IRA was America too Now the relatives of the victims of the IRA are asking Libya for billions and not the USA . How come ?. Is it because Libya is a small country with lots of oil ?!!!. I don't get that. What does Libya have to do with the Irish Republican Army? Libya was selling them Semtex. oh well wasnt everybody at the time haha and there are still old die hard IRA terrorists that still just can't give up the fight. Its like its all they have ever known and just can't change and accept the new way I think the terrorist (of any ilk) come to like the killing just for the sake of killing and it doesn't matter what their cause is in the end |
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the biggest funding source for the IRA was America too Now the relatives of the victims of the IRA are asking Libya for billions and not the USA . How come ?. Is it because Libya is a small country with lots of oil ?!!!. I don't get that. What does Libya have to do with the Irish Republican Army? Libya was selling them Semtex. oh well wasnt everybody at the time haha and there are still old die hard IRA terrorists that still just can't give up the fight. Its like its all they have ever known and just can't change and accept the new way I think the terrorist (of any ilk) come to like the killing just for the sake of killing and it doesn't matter what their cause is in the end There really isn't much difference, in some ways, between the IRA and some radical islamic groups. They are pretty much taught from birth who to hate and it becomes part of their inner core. Even if their "leaders" agree to some peace or truce or whatever, their motor is still set for hate and killing. |
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the biggest funding source for the IRA was America too Now the relatives of the victims of the IRA are asking Libya for billions and not the USA . How come ?. Is it because Libya is a small country with lots of oil ?!!!. I don't get that. What does Libya have to do with the Irish Republican Army? Libya was selling them Semtex. oh well wasnt everybody at the time haha and there are still old die hard IRA terrorists that still just can't give up the fight. Its like its all they have ever known and just can't change and accept the new way I think the terrorist (of any ilk) come to like the killing just for the sake of killing and it doesn't matter what their cause is in the end There really isn't much difference, in some ways, between the IRA and some radical islamic groups. They are pretty much taught from birth who to hate and it becomes part of their inner core. Even if their "leaders" agree to some peace or truce or whatever, their motor is still set for hate and killing. yeah same mentality just a different rationalization |
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This kinda brings up the question of "what is a terrorist?" Officially, it is someone who actively promotes acts of terror. "Promotes" could be wearing a bomb, making a bomb, providing money to make the bomb, or feeding, housing, and supporting someone who is known to be making a bomb. It doesn't have to be a bomb. A bomb threat or a fake bomb is terrorism, as well as all the similar ways to create "terror".
The grey areas come into play when someone supports terrorists. Obviously, the people renting these properties that thought the rental money was going to legitimate landlords are not terrorists. But what about now? What do you do when you find out your landlord is a terrorist? |
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I imagine they'll prolly sell or maybe even just turn over the property to a legit Muslim group
the feds do pretty good at seperating religious from political |
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Edited by
tohyup
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Sun 11/15/09 11:25 AM
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the biggest funding source for the IRA was America too Now the relatives of the victims of the IRA are asking Libya for billions and not the USA . How come ?. Is it because Libya is a small country with lots of oil ?!!!. I don't get that. What does Libya have to do with the Irish Republican Army? The families of the victims are seeking billions of dollars from Libya saying that Qaddafi sold arms to the IRA . |
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Edited by
Quietman_2009
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Sun 11/15/09 11:29 AM
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the biggest funding source for the IRA was America too Now the relatives of the victims of the IRA are asking Libya for billions and not the USA . How come ?. Is it because Libya is a small country with lots of oil ?!!!. I don't get that. What does Libya have to do with the Irish Republican Army? The families of the victims are seeking billions of dollars from Libya saying that Qaddafi sold arms to the IRA . oh I guess they'll have to prove it court or not there were a lot of profiteers in those days making money off of peoples suffering. he may or may not have been one. I dunno |
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Apparently this has been going on for two decades.
Begin Quote: ... “For two decades, the Alavi Foundation’s affairs have been directed by various Iranian officials, including Iranian ambassadors to the United Nations, in violation of a series of American laws,” U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara said in a statement. There were no raids Thursday as part of the forfeiture action. The government is simply required to post notices of the civil complaint on the property. As prosecutors outlined their allegations against Alavi, the Islamic centers and the schools they run carried on with normal activity. The mosques’ leaders had no immediate comment. Parents lined up in their cars to pick up their children at the schools within the Islamic Education Center of Greater Houston and the Islamic Education Center in Rockville, Md. No notices of the forfeiture action were posted at either place as of late Thursday. At the Islamic Institute of New York, a mosque and school in Queens, two U.S. marshals came to the door and rang the bell repeatedly. The marshals taped a forfeiture notice to the window and left a large document sitting on the ground. After they left a group of men came out of the building and took the document. The fourth Islamic center marked for seizure is in Carmichael, Calif. The skyscraper, known as the Piaget building, was erected in the 1970s under the shah of Iran, who was overthrown in 1979. The tenants include law and investment firms and other businesses. The sleek, modern building, last valued at $570 million to $650 million in 2007, has served as an important source of income for the foundation over the past 36 years. The most recent tax records show the foundation earned $4.5 million from rents in 2007. ... Alex Sanz, Jeremy Desel and Associated Press End Quote: |
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