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You said... Do you mean that they don't care what a person does in their own home/privacy if it isn't hurting others? I replied... That's not true. Ask any gay or adulterous Conservative politician or preacher. You replied to my reply... 
I did say if it isn't hurting others. This is a tacit admission that you "care" what a conservative politician or preacher does in their own home / privacy. I'm sorry, it's not fair for me to back you into a corner like that, but your statements do seem to conflict here. Either you care or you don't. If you don't, then what did you mean by "I did say if it isn't hurting others."? You are assuming again. If someone wants to have sex with someone of the same sex, I don't care. If someone wants to smoke pot in their own house, not around me, I don't care. What a conservative politician or preacher is doing in their own home, as long as it's win consenting adults, is none of my business. Please stop trying to make it sound like I'm saying something I'm not. Even though I quoted you, you didn't say it. Gotcha! 
As you can see, you quoted my response above. That should clear it up for you, right? |
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how does one group making a new Bible hurt others???? just don't read it. we aren't seriously suggesting banning this are we? Maybe they want to have a book burning. that is the sense I get sometimes. IMO not a very liberal attitude I think Rose hits on something of an important point. The modern American Liberal isn't a liberal at all.. The modern American Liberal, best exemplified in the person of Barack Obama, sees the Jeffersonian liberal ideology as an impediment to his quest for power. Obama gave an interview back in 2001 where he characterized the Constitution and Bill of Rights as a charter of negative rights, one that outlined pricipally what government "couldn't do to you" rather than what government "must do on you behalf". The Jeffersonian Liberal felt the purpose of government was to champion and uphold individual rights by restricting the power of government. He understood that a government with too much power tramples the rights of the individual. The modern American liberal seeks to expand the power of government in order to "make things fair". This is in direct opposition to the ideology of the Jeffersonian Liberal. that's what I've said in the past as well. I know it's not all liberal because my sister is what I would call a true liberal. but from what I've seen from some people....they are only liberals when it agrees with their stance on things. I've said that before and I'm sure I'll be saying it in the future ...and only liberal when it comes to spending other peoples' money. 
No, you are wrong there. They are liberal when it comes to sex and drugs also. BS, conservatives are quite good at that also, they just hate getting caught at doing things they tell other people they shouldn't do. I'm a liberal, I don't spend what I don't have. I don't buy things I don't need. I can't stand drugs, and frankly I could care less about sex. Quite generalizing. |
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how does one group making a new Bible hurt others???? just don't read it. we aren't seriously suggesting banning this are we? Maybe they want to have a book burning. that is the sense I get sometimes. IMO not a very liberal attitude I think Rose hits on something of an important point. The modern American Liberal isn't a liberal at all.. The modern American Liberal, best exemplified in the person of Barack Obama, sees the Jeffersonian liberal ideology as an impediment to his quest for power. Obama gave an interview back in 2001 where he characterized the Constitution and Bill of Rights as a charter of negative rights, one that outlined pricipally what government "couldn't do to you" rather than what government "must do on you behalf". The Jeffersonian Liberal felt the purpose of government was to champion and uphold individual rights by restricting the power of government. He understood that a government with too much power tramples the rights of the individual. The modern American liberal seeks to expand the power of government in order to "make things fair". This is in direct opposition to the ideology of the Jeffersonian Liberal.  This country used to have some serious human rights issues
Indeed. But it has also gone to great pains to correct those issues and it;s a testament to the structure of government framed bythe founding fathers that allowed for them to be corrected and to the people of the United States that took it upon themselves to correct them. But it's now the leftists, masquerading under the monicker of "liberal" that seek to curttail the liberties that generations of Americans have fought, sacrificed and died to protect and uphold. You might argue against that point but the fact remains that when the government, state, local or federal, lays claim to the product of the peoples' labor, it acts against the principles on which it was founded. It's reverting to feudalism and the monarchic system from which the founders revolted! |
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I see some so called liberals wanting to control things that don't agree with them as well....hence the Fox new thread...hmmmm
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L-I-B-E-R-A-L L- lies...a liberal can only tell lies and spin the truth I- idiots..it's well documented that most liberals are idiots,etc: Nancy Pelosi B- berate..they being Libes love to berate ANYONE that asked them a question that they cannot answer (which happens all the time i may add) E- egos..living for the camera and more worried about how they look in front of the camera instead of the people that voted them into office R- rants..that's what 90% of them do on a daily. Usually, how they are getting treated unfairly and how everything is soo wrong in this country A- ***..we all know that most Libs happen to be an A S S OR Atheist..bc, heaven forbid that they may believe in something higher than obama. But, if it's life or death situation I bet the first thing that you Libs would do would be praying...lol :) L- Losers..this is what's going to happen in 2010, can't wait :D Hope that I clear this up some :) You sound like a small bratty child that didn't get what he wanted. Maybe if you weren't so focused you could see the lies and spin from both sides and not just the side you particularly dislike. Hey now...bratty no but saying that I'm smart...Thank You ;) I dislike both sides equally and as you get to know me and in some of my past posts that you will see that I rip on both sides. (Maybe, not equally as I should but enough to show that I'm "Fair and Balanced") I just get fed up when the same talking points get thrown out there with no common sense or intelligence to at the very least try to back it up. Guess that you can say that I'm playing devil advocate 
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He thinks that most liberals are atheist. That's too funny. 
St. Louis has a large quantity of Catholic Democrats. Just came back from there... no comment |
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how does one group making a new Bible hurt others???? just don't read it. we aren't seriously suggesting banning this are we? Maybe they want to have a book burning. that is the sense I get sometimes. IMO not a very liberal attitude I think Rose hits on something of an important point. The modern American Liberal isn't a liberal at all.. The modern American Liberal, best exemplified in the person of Barack Obama, sees the Jeffersonian liberal ideology as an impediment to his quest for power. Obama gave an interview back in 2001 where he characterized the Constitution and Bill of Rights as a charter of negative rights, one that outlined pricipally what government "couldn't do to you" rather than what government "must do on you behalf". The Jeffersonian Liberal felt the purpose of government was to champion and uphold individual rights by restricting the power of government. He understood that a government with too much power tramples the rights of the individual. The modern American liberal seeks to expand the power of government in order to "make things fair". This is in direct opposition to the ideology of the Jeffersonian Liberal. This country used to have some serious human rights issues
Indeed. But it has also gone to great pains to correct those issues and it;s a testament to the structure of government framed bythe founding fathers that allowed for them to be corrected and to the people of the United States that took it upon themselves to correct them. But it's now the leftists, masquerading under the monicker of "liberal" that seek to curttail the liberties that generations of Americans have fought, sacrificed and died to protect and uphold. You might argue against that point but the fact remains that when the government, state, local or federal, lays claim to the product of the peoples' labor, it acts against the principles on which it was founded. It's reverting to feudalism and the monarchic system from which the founders revolted! The people are far scarier than the goverment. And what the republicans dont tell their conservative voters is that they want to take power from the goverment and into the hands of corporations. They consider corporations to be "the people". The corporations are the ones that have been running death panels to kill sick people in this country for decades.
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I never got why liberal and conservative is applied to a certain party. there are liberal republicans and conservative democrats
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I never got why liberal and conservative is applied to a certain party. there are liberal republicans and conservative democrats Its basically because Liberal/Conservative is an idealogy and republican/democrat are parties. There can be other parties, either liberal or conservative.
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I never got why liberal and conservative is applied to a certain party. there are liberal republicans and conservative democrats Its basically because Liberal/Conservative is an idealogy and republican/democrat are parties. There can be other parties, either liberal or conservative.
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Edited by
MirrorMirror
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Wed 10/07/09 04:36 PM
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I never got why liberal and conservative is applied to a certain party. there are liberal republicans and conservative democrats Its basically because Liberal/Conservative is an idealogy and republican/democrat are parties. There can be other parties, either liberal or conservative.
I agree The two idealogies are natural, and exist in every democracy. You can't have one without the other and still have a democracy.All democratic countries have these two idealogies
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L-I-B-E-R-A-L L- lies...a liberal can only tell lies and spin the truth I- idiots..it's well documented that most liberals are idiots,etc: Nancy Pelosi B- berate..they being Libes love to berate ANYONE that asked them a question that they cannot answer (which happens all the time i may add) E- egos..living for the camera and more worried about how they look in front of the camera instead of the people that voted them into office R- rants..that's what 90% of them do on a daily. Usually, how they are getting treated unfairly and how everything is soo wrong in this country A- ***..we all know that most Libs happen to be an A S S OR Atheist..bc, heaven forbid that they may believe in something higher than obama. But, if it's life or death situation I bet the first thing that you Libs would do would be praying...lol :) L- Losers..this is what's going to happen in 2010, can't wait :D Hope that I clear this up some :) You sound like a small bratty child that didn't get what he wanted. Maybe if you weren't so focused you could see the lies and spin from both sides and not just the side you particularly dislike. Hey now...bratty no but saying that I'm smart...Thank You ;) I dislike both sides equally and as you get to know me and in some of my past posts that you will see that I rip on both sides. (Maybe, not equally as I should but enough to show that I'm "Fair and Balanced") I just get fed up when the same talking points get thrown out there with no common sense or intelligence to at the very least try to back it up. Guess that you can say that I'm playing devil advocate
I don't find that fair or balanced, there are still some good people on both sides of the isle, though hard to find people willing to find common ground because the fringe of both sides are doing all the screaming. You can't get away with calling yourself and independent either, because one can tell by your views that you lean heavily in one direction, just as it's easy to see which way I lean. Dismissing everyone for what some do isn't fair or balanced. Try to remember that we are all putting out talking points whether they are ours or regurgitated from media sources. The point is we all have a different world view. I'm a liberal I won't see everything you say as particularly useful to me nor what I say will be particularly useful to you. That doesn't' mean that if under certain circumstances we might see eye to eye on something else. If you demonize me as a liberal, I'm going to want to do they same to you, depending in my mood.. grin. So we have a choice, find common ground or fight it out. Here most days it's conservatives against liberals. |
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I never got why liberal and conservative is applied to a certain party. there are liberal republicans and conservative democrats Its basically because Liberal/Conservative is an idealogy and republican/democrat are parties. There can be other parties, either liberal or conservative.
I agree The two idealogies are natural, and exist in every democracy. You can't have one without the other and still have a democracy.All democratic countries have these two idealogies
you are right. they both exist in both parties (even 3rd parties) but it just hit me that people interchange the "philosophy" with a political party which wouldn't be accurate |
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I never got why liberal and conservative is applied to a certain party. there are liberal republicans and conservative democrats Its basically because Liberal/Conservative is an idealogy and republican/democrat are parties. There can be other parties, either liberal or conservative.
I agree The two idealogies are natural, and exist in every democracy. You can't have one without the other and still have a democracy.All democratic countries have these two idealogies
you are right. they both exist in both parties (even 3rd parties) but it just hit me that people interchange the "philosophy" with a political party which wouldn't be accurate  Well, its what I learned in PolSci at school. I think people use the interchangably in this country because there are only two main parties. Some other democratic countries have other parties. But they all have those two idealogies.
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 r u ok?
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I never got why liberal and conservative is applied to a certain party. there are liberal republicans and conservative democrats Its basically because Liberal/Conservative is an idealogy and republican/democrat are parties. There can be other parties, either liberal or conservative.
I agree The two idealogies are natural, and exist in every democracy. You can't have one without the other and still have a democracy.All democratic countries have these two idealogies
you are right. they both exist in both parties (even 3rd parties) but it just hit me that people interchange the "philosophy" with a political party which wouldn't be accurate Well, its what I learned in PolSci at school. I think people use the interchangably in this country because there are only two main parties. Some other democratic countries have other parties. But they all have those two idealogies.
you could be right and that could be a reason. I just now noticed it. I haven't been on the ball a lot lately and catch on slower these days
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Top ten best countries to live in.
 "Norway, Australia, Iceland, Canada, Ireland, the Netherlands, Sweden, France, Switzerland and Japan."
What do all these countries have in common?
 All liberal countries!!!
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maybe they are true liberals though and not liberal when it's convenient. But personally..I'm happy being conservative myself but liberal minded enough to know people are different and I won't have a government taking that away from me
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maybe they are true liberals though and not liberal when it's convenient. But personally..I'm happy being conservative myself but liberal minded enough to know people are different and I won't have a government taking that away from me Liberals arnt about the goverment taking anything, thats only what republican conservatives say whenever they get kicked out the goverment and liberals are in charge. Liberal means more liberty and justice for all. Not just for corporations.Yes these countries are true liberal because the believe in justice for all, and provide for their citizens. That is why they are the top ten countries to live
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