Im telling him to chill out, because this is an obvious complaining session.. someone somewhere was not fair. He knows the answer..

Yes no? *sarcastic tone* Did I catch it? This is the kind of pity seeking topic that begs to be deleted.

Your asking me if people should be unfair?

Ok, im done.

Often individuals will go against their best interest in the name of patriotism, you are correct, though not all will admit it's true.

People here were very angry with Obama when he was in Europe and spoke of our good points and our failures. That infuriated the Rigth here. But some people say I love america right or wrong. I say I love america but will admit when we come up short of our ideals. I don't see advantage in pretending superiority. I don't care for it in the words of other countries or of my own.

during world war II many people lost there lives because they though they were fighting for their country but in fact now we know that it was just a person's individual reason's

if soilder's are educated they should fight for who is right not just blindly give there lives just because they live in a particular part of the world.

I disagree with your assertion. I am a patriot, but would want to hire the best fit for the job. National origin wouldn't play in to the decision, but communication skills and interpersonal skills would. But if I thought a foreigner's grasp of English was poor, I would probably opt for a less qualified candidate. Similarly, if I had a foreigner that was less qualified but had a better attitude than a candidate from the U.S., I'd probably hire the foreigner.

His post was in no way for pity, he brought up a valid point, he was respectful in his delivery, yet you told him to chill now you say it's a pity seeking topic? Why should it be deleted. You said your self you had no idea what he as saying. I did understand what he was saying. So because you didn't that means it should be deleted?

He wanted the opinion of others, he's getting that.

why are people making this into a us or non-us topic this has nothing to do with if you are from us or not

@tngxl65-dude job has nothing to do with English, my point is will it or will it not affect your judgment

Believe it or not people are unfair !! going back to my example how patriotism can be bad remember world war II

dude? I said that I consider myself a patriot but wouldn't hire someone simply based on their origin, so I disagree with your assertion that a patriot hires based on that. Then I gave a scenario to demonstrate it.

I think you will find folks can be very defensive on subjects like this. I find sometimes I am too even when I intellectually understand the issue. We can go too far either way in our responses.

It might have to be enough for you that some will agree with you and some will not. I tend to agree, but I also noted tngxl65 response was an interesting addition. Maybe it's more about how we individually difine ourselves as patriots. Interesting anyway.

sorry dude didn't read the first line properly

next question do you cheer your team at an event who's knowledge you dont posses

ill give an example to explain-
in India the sport is cricket is watched and followed but even if a person doesnt know how to play the game they will cheer for there home team.

me on the other hand will either not cheer if i feel the other team is better just as if there were 2 neutral teams playing

who is right??

I have my favorite teams and will cheer for them regardless of who they are playing. And in international competitions I will cheer for the U.S. I guess that's a mild form of patriotism.

If it's not one of my favorites, there are a nummber of other reasons I will cheer for a team.

so you agree that you treat a decision between 2 neutral's and the one where your country is involved differently.
now honestly tell me is that fair??

many people believe it is fair up to a limit if so where is that limit?

Personally I don't much care for the winner loser thing. I don't know much about any games. I remember when playing paddle tennis in LA, there would be some really heated arguments over who won.. I didn't like playing with those teams because the petty arguing took the fun out of it.

I prefered playing because I enjoyed the sport, no because I cared whether I won or lost. But this country and probably others do care about winners and losers. Often now to the point that we enjoy the ridicule of the losers more than even the joy for the winners. It's strange to me but hey, I don't live here alone.

I watch tennis on tv some times and just like to watch their moves and how they play, don't give a flying hoot who wins.

I guess I don't get how it's fair or not fair. I mean it's likely not fair that the U.S., because of its size and resources, often has an unfair advantage (not as true anymore). But i don't see how cheering for a team is fair or unfair. It's just supporting your team. It would be unfair if I somehow cheated.

Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel (especially in politics). I'm an individualist first.

ok thank you all so much from all your views it's getting late here (the tonight show is going to start )so good night all

hopefully we live in 1 world not many countries in the future

Well I'd probably get blasted for it, but I wish the same.

I think I prefer many countries living in harmony with each other.

you may say I'm a dreamer
but I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
and the world will live as one

(one arm raised, swaying back and forth)

I am proud of where I come from. I'm a proud American and proud of my heritage (English, Irish, German and Dutch) I'm not proud of everything the government or people have done though. But every country (I believe) has things they aren't proud of