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Again this healthcare is not an infringement of anyones rights. It is not forced health insurance. It is an option that will be available. It is not socialized healthcare since it will not be the only healthcare on the list. If employers who cannot afford to carry insurance for their employees opt out of carrying health care at least the employees have this option. Nothing is perfect, nothing. There will be bugs and issues to work out but the fact that we need it and it is doable should be enough for us to be supportive. so can you give me a real reason yet why we need this that is based in fact and not emotion? Something that does not involve the phrase "we are the greatest nation in the world" maybe? The honest answer is yes, this is socialized health insurance. That's what a health insurance run by the federal government is by definition. I'd like to point out to you, again, that any additional tax is a violation of my liberties and rights. I will have to pay a tax on my health insurance which will take my hard-earned money and give it to some low-life that refuses to take care of themself. That is ********. We do not need the nanny state, expecially a half-assed nanny state where we pay for healthcare yet still allow them to act as they please, further increasing that cost. Being the greatest na--- just joking...lol It is not forced health care. Socialization means government forced programs. It means there is not other options available but national healthcare. This is not socialized healthcare by any definition. So do you plan on giving me a reason why we need it? That was the actual intent of my post. This is essentially socialist health insurance in the making. This is step one: foot into the marketplace. I have yet to find a page that recants page 16 and I'm up to 4xx or something. But ignore that. Why do we need this? There are millions of people without health insurance that is a very valid reason. Approximately 47 million. well you can count me in that 47 million. but I don't want it.. I'm young, relatively healthy.. and I'm not the only one.. if I get catastrophically sick, I'm not going to the government for help.. a church maybe or my general practioner to see if she'll work something out with me.. or there are many charitable org's out there that help people in need. you can also count in that 47 million the 12-20 million people who are here illegally.. they do not carry insurance.. should this nation further encourage people from other nations to come here illegally so that we might educate and feed their children, and now we'll provide them health insurance gratis? entitlement programs, and that's what this is - an entitlement more welfare, only serve to enslave those whom they entitle.. generational recidivism to food stamps and welfare is clearly demonstrated.. and your Grand Imperator undid all the welfare reform time limitations when he ram-rodded the "stimulus bill" through congress.. but it was neccessary to do that right?? or else unemployment **might** reach 8%.. we're now at 9.4% and analysts say that the real unemployment rate is closer to 16%.. hope and change.. enjoy. This post is not accurate either. Time limits on welfare was not changed only unemployment. Foodstamps and welfare stayed exactly the same. I used to feel the way you do about healthcare and possible care if I got sick. Then in 2002 I was diagnosed with MS. Let me tell you the charities are no help. I lost everything within a few months, job, apartment, car, etc... I was homeless and dependent on 200 dollars a month in child support which luckily he was behind on or I would not have had that. I lived very very sick for years like this before I got approved for social security and I do get Medicare but it doesn't cover very much of my care. My medicine for my MS is 1000.00 dollars a month or more, shots, which Medicare does not cover so I had to apply to the NORDS to get my shots. I opted out of the shots and have been treating myself with natural rememdies since. I am taking a chance doing it this way but it is cheaper on me. I don't go to the doc alot because Medicare doesn't cover office visits. I pay for insurance to get the meds I do take. I do not get foodstamps, I do not get housing help. The whole point here is you have no clue about the lack of care until you go through it. So people are basically speaking out of their *** about something they know nothing about. I AM sorry bout you situation. But those numbers posted above you appear quite accurate by my own personal research... as I said lies to the left and right. The worse part is... People in all parts of the US are repeating, believing, and deciding based on those lies... LEFT AND RIGHT. and missing the big picture. The big picture being that elderly and disabled are under insured at best. Then there are those that cannot get insurance at all due to circumstances. The 47 mjillion does not include illegals, it is citizens. The amount of those citizens that would opt into insurance if they could has to be the majority. The amount of care we provide to our citizens means a stronger work force, more people who will be able to start their own businesses without the burden of having to carry insurance if they cannot afford to. Also this bill addressess the tweeks that are needed to the current system. Our country can work within it's premise and make the universal healthcare work. This bill does not address the 'tweeks'... It radically alters the system... at an outrageous price. Under the current economic system we can not make this work... and survive the aftermath. A stronger work force does one no good if jobs are not available to work at. Bottom line... We have a system that works... Adjust it. |
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this bill will be derailed if it "covers" abortions.
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Again this healthcare is not an infringement of anyones rights. It is not forced health insurance. It is an option that will be available. It is not socialized healthcare since it will not be the only healthcare on the list. If employers who cannot afford to carry insurance for their employees opt out of carrying health care at least the employees have this option. Nothing is perfect, nothing. There will be bugs and issues to work out but the fact that we need it and it is doable should be enough for us to be supportive. so can you give me a real reason yet why we need this that is based in fact and not emotion? Something that does not involve the phrase "we are the greatest nation in the world" maybe? The honest answer is yes, this is socialized health insurance. That's what a health insurance run by the federal government is by definition. I'd like to point out to you, again, that any additional tax is a violation of my liberties and rights. I will have to pay a tax on my health insurance which will take my hard-earned money and give it to some low-life that refuses to take care of themself. That is ********. We do not need the nanny state, expecially a half-assed nanny state where we pay for healthcare yet still allow them to act as they please, further increasing that cost. Being the greatest na--- just joking...lol It is not forced health care. Socialization means government forced programs. It means there is not other options available but national healthcare. This is not socialized healthcare by any definition. So do you plan on giving me a reason why we need it? That was the actual intent of my post. This is essentially socialist health insurance in the making. This is step one: foot into the marketplace. I have yet to find a page that recants page 16 and I'm up to 4xx or something. But ignore that. Why do we need this? There are millions of people without health insurance that is a very valid reason. Approximately 47 million. well you can count me in that 47 million. but I don't want it.. I'm young, relatively healthy.. and I'm not the only one.. if I get catastrophically sick, I'm not going to the government for help.. a church maybe or my general practioner to see if she'll work something out with me.. or there are many charitable org's out there that help people in need. you can also count in that 47 million the 12-20 million people who are here illegally.. they do not carry insurance.. should this nation further encourage people from other nations to come here illegally so that we might educate and feed their children, and now we'll provide them health insurance gratis? entitlement programs, and that's what this is - an entitlement more welfare, only serve to enslave those whom they entitle.. generational recidivism to food stamps and welfare is clearly demonstrated.. and your Grand Imperator undid all the welfare reform time limitations when he ram-rodded the "stimulus bill" through congress.. but it was neccessary to do that right?? or else unemployment **might** reach 8%.. we're now at 9.4% and analysts say that the real unemployment rate is closer to 16%.. hope and change.. enjoy. This post is not accurate either. Time limits on welfare was not changed only unemployment. Foodstamps and welfare stayed exactly the same. I used to feel the way you do about healthcare and possible care if I got sick. Then in 2002 I was diagnosed with MS. Let me tell you the charities are no help. I lost everything within a few months, job, apartment, car, etc... I was homeless and dependent on 200 dollars a month in child support which luckily he was behind on or I would not have had that. I lived very very sick for years like this before I got approved for social security and I do get Medicare but it doesn't cover very much of my care. My medicine for my MS is 1000.00 dollars a month or more, shots, which Medicare does not cover so I had to apply to the NORDS to get my shots. I opted out of the shots and have been treating myself with natural rememdies since. I am taking a chance doing it this way but it is cheaper on me. I don't go to the doc alot because Medicare doesn't cover office visits. I pay for insurance to get the meds I do take. I do not get foodstamps, I do not get housing help. The whole point here is you have no clue about the lack of care until you go through it. So people are basically speaking out of their *** about something they know nothing about. I AM sorry bout you situation. But those numbers posted above you appear quite accurate by my own personal research... as I said lies to the left and right. The worse part is... People in all parts of the US are repeating, believing, and deciding based on those lies... LEFT AND RIGHT. and missing the big picture. The big picture being that elderly and disabled are under insured at best. Then there are those that cannot get insurance at all due to circumstances. The 47 mjillion does not include illegals, it is citizens. The amount of those citizens that would opt into insurance if they could has to be the majority. The amount of care we provide to our citizens means a stronger work force, more people who will be able to start their own businesses without the burden of having to carry insurance if they cannot afford to. Also this bill addressess the tweeks that are needed to the current system. Our country can work within it's premise and make the universal healthcare work. This bill does not address the 'tweeks'... It radically alters the system... at an outrageous price. Under the current economic system we can not make this work... and survive the aftermath. A stronger work force does one no good if jobs are not available to work at. Bottom line... We have a system that works... Adjust it. I guess you are not hearing me, it doesn't work. It doesn't do what it is supposed to do. |
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this bill will be derailed if it "covers" abortions. Laws are in effect that would stop that from happening anyway. Women find a way to pay the 400.00 dollars for the procedure now. Also there are private organizations that will help them if they need it. |
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this bill will be derailed if it "covers" abortions. Why... It is just such stupid nonsense that has prevented us from getting national health care standards in the past.(and lead to this oversized boondoggle) I do not believe in abortion... I do believe in the right of another to choose... My rights end at their point of choice. |
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Again this healthcare is not an infringement of anyones rights. It is not forced health insurance. It is an option that will be available. It is not socialized healthcare since it will not be the only healthcare on the list. If employers who cannot afford to carry insurance for their employees opt out of carrying health care at least the employees have this option. Nothing is perfect, nothing. There will be bugs and issues to work out but the fact that we need it and it is doable should be enough for us to be supportive. so can you give me a real reason yet why we need this that is based in fact and not emotion? Something that does not involve the phrase "we are the greatest nation in the world" maybe? The honest answer is yes, this is socialized health insurance. That's what a health insurance run by the federal government is by definition. I'd like to point out to you, again, that any additional tax is a violation of my liberties and rights. I will have to pay a tax on my health insurance which will take my hard-earned money and give it to some low-life that refuses to take care of themself. That is ********. We do not need the nanny state, expecially a half-assed nanny state where we pay for healthcare yet still allow them to act as they please, further increasing that cost. Being the greatest na--- just joking...lol It is not forced health care. Socialization means government forced programs. It means there is not other options available but national healthcare. This is not socialized healthcare by any definition. So do you plan on giving me a reason why we need it? That was the actual intent of my post. This is essentially socialist health insurance in the making. This is step one: foot into the marketplace. I have yet to find a page that recants page 16 and I'm up to 4xx or something. But ignore that. Why do we need this? There are millions of people without health insurance that is a very valid reason. Approximately 47 million. well you can count me in that 47 million. but I don't want it.. I'm young, relatively healthy.. and I'm not the only one.. if I get catastrophically sick, I'm not going to the government for help.. a church maybe or my general practioner to see if she'll work something out with me.. or there are many charitable org's out there that help people in need. you can also count in that 47 million the 12-20 million people who are here illegally.. they do not carry insurance.. should this nation further encourage people from other nations to come here illegally so that we might educate and feed their children, and now we'll provide them health insurance gratis? entitlement programs, and that's what this is - an entitlement more welfare, only serve to enslave those whom they entitle.. generational recidivism to food stamps and welfare is clearly demonstrated.. and your Grand Imperator undid all the welfare reform time limitations when he ram-rodded the "stimulus bill" through congress.. but it was neccessary to do that right?? or else unemployment **might** reach 8%.. we're now at 9.4% and analysts say that the real unemployment rate is closer to 16%.. hope and change.. enjoy. This post is not accurate either. Time limits on welfare was not changed only unemployment. Foodstamps and welfare stayed exactly the same. I used to feel the way you do about healthcare and possible care if I got sick. Then in 2002 I was diagnosed with MS. Let me tell you the charities are no help. I lost everything within a few months, job, apartment, car, etc... I was homeless and dependent on 200 dollars a month in child support which luckily he was behind on or I would not have had that. I lived very very sick for years like this before I got approved for social security and I do get Medicare but it doesn't cover very much of my care. My medicine for my MS is 1000.00 dollars a month or more, shots, which Medicare does not cover so I had to apply to the NORDS to get my shots. I opted out of the shots and have been treating myself with natural rememdies since. I am taking a chance doing it this way but it is cheaper on me. I don't go to the doc alot because Medicare doesn't cover office visits. I pay for insurance to get the meds I do take. I do not get foodstamps, I do not get housing help. The whole point here is you have no clue about the lack of care until you go through it. So people are basically speaking out of their *** about something they know nothing about. I AM sorry bout you situation. But those numbers posted above you appear quite accurate by my own personal research... as I said lies to the left and right. The worse part is... People in all parts of the US are repeating, believing, and deciding based on those lies... LEFT AND RIGHT. and missing the big picture. The big picture being that elderly and disabled are under insured at best. Then there are those that cannot get insurance at all due to circumstances. The 47 mjillion does not include illegals, it is citizens. The amount of those citizens that would opt into insurance if they could has to be the majority. The amount of care we provide to our citizens means a stronger work force, more people who will be able to start their own businesses without the burden of having to carry insurance if they cannot afford to. Also this bill addressess the tweeks that are needed to the current system. Our country can work within it's premise and make the universal healthcare work. This bill does not address the 'tweeks'... It radically alters the system... at an outrageous price. Under the current economic system we can not make this work... and survive the aftermath. A stronger work force does one no good if jobs are not available to work at. Bottom line... We have a system that works... Adjust it. I guess you are not hearing me, it doesn't work. It doesn't do what it is supposed to do. Oh but it does... I guess we are not hearing each other... I support Health care... I do not support buying something with money that DOES NOT ACTUALLY EXIST. You can have my VA care... I will do without before I will be part of such an outrageous use of the monies that belong to other generations. |
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But you have participated in that same concept all of your life here in the states, it has never been any different.
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The Obama camp also made it clear that any private insurance companies wanting to participate would also be required to provide abortion coverage.
"And private insurers that want to participate will have to treat reproductive care in the same way," the Obama campaign responded. Tony Perkins, the president of the Family Research Council, says the answers make it clear to him that Obama would fund abortions with federal taxpayer dollars and make people in private insurance plans pay for abortions because insurance companies would pass on the additional costs to customers. this bill will be derailed if it "covers" abortions. Why... It is just such stupid nonsense that has prevented us from getting national health care standards in the past.(and lead to this oversized boondoggle) I do not believe in abortion... I do believe in the right of another to choose... My rights end at their point of choice. |
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IMO
I'm not sure why the matter has to be so complicated that there is this much dissent about it. The one thing that amazes me is that there IS so much dissent! You let a normally able bodied adult without children get really sick and need health care coverage, and that person, his/her family and friends, are totally outraged that there is no government help for that them. We demand so many governmental services, I don't understand why everyone wouldn't want one to keep our people healthy. My hope would be that having the government option would make private insurance products, particularly employer subsidized, more competitively priced, with better benefits, and therefore, usable, as mine is not. My fear is just as someone pointed out earlier. The employers will use the public option to get out of providing it,and therefore, undermine the public option. 
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The Obama camp also made it clear that any private insurance companies wanting to participate would also be required to provide abortion coverage. "And private insurers that want to participate will have to treat reproductive care in the same way," the Obama campaign responded. Tony Perkins, the president of the Family Research Council, says the answers make it clear to him that Obama would fund abortions with federal taxpayer dollars and make people in private insurance plans pay for abortions because insurance companies would pass on the additional costs to customers. this bill will be derailed if it "covers" abortions. Why... It is just such stupid nonsense that has prevented us from getting national health care standards in the past.(and lead to this oversized boondoggle) I do not believe in abortion... I do believe in the right of another to choose... My rights end at their point of choice. That is not what that means...lol |
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The Obama camp also made it clear that any private insurance companies wanting to participate would also be required to provide abortion coverage. "And private insurers that want to participate will have to treat reproductive care in the same way," the Obama campaign responded. Tony Perkins, the president of the Family Research Council, says the answers make it clear to him that Obama would fund abortions with federal taxpayer dollars and make people in private insurance plans pay for abortions because insurance companies would pass on the additional costs to customers. this bill will be derailed if it "covers" abortions. Why... It is just such stupid nonsense that has prevented us from getting national health care standards in the past.(and lead to this oversized boondoggle) I do not believe in abortion... I do believe in the right of another to choose... My rights end at their point of choice. That is not what that means...lol It means I do NOT have the right to scream and shout about someone elses choice on a personal matter... |
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The Obama camp also made it clear that any private insurance companies wanting to participate would also be required to provide abortion coverage. "And private insurers that want to participate will have to treat reproductive care in the same way," the Obama campaign responded. Tony Perkins, the president of the Family Research Council, says the answers make it clear to him that Obama would fund abortions with federal taxpayer dollars and make people in private insurance plans pay for abortions because insurance companies would pass on the additional costs to customers. this bill will be derailed if it "covers" abortions. Why... It is just such stupid nonsense that has prevented us from getting national health care standards in the past.(and lead to this oversized boondoggle) I do not believe in abortion... I do believe in the right of another to choose... My rights end at their point of choice. That is not what that means...lol It means I do NOT have the right to scream and shout about someone elses choice on a personal matter...  I wouldnt get you put in a FEMA concentration camp Adventure
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The Obama camp also made it clear that any private insurance companies wanting to participate would also be required to provide abortion coverage. "And private insurers that want to participate will have to treat reproductive care in the same way," the Obama campaign responded. Tony Perkins, the president of the Family Research Council, says the answers make it clear to him that Obama would fund abortions with federal taxpayer dollars and make people in private insurance plans pay for abortions because insurance companies would pass on the additional costs to customers. this bill will be derailed if it "covers" abortions. Why... It is just such stupid nonsense that has prevented us from getting national health care standards in the past.(and lead to this oversized boondoggle) I do not believe in abortion... I do believe in the right of another to choose... My rights end at their point of choice. That is not what that means...lol It means I do NOT have the right to scream and shout about someone elses choice on a personal matter... My post was for what ddn wrote, sorry 
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this bill will be derailed if it "covers" abortions. "In fact, none of the health care overhaul measures that have made it through the committee level in Congress say that abortion will be covered, and one of them explicitly says that no public funds will be used to finance the procedure." http://www.factcheck.org/2009/07/surgery-for-seniors-vs-abortions/ |
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 Will the bill pay for sex changes?
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Will the bill pay for sex changes?
Do you want one?  
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Will the bill pay for sex changes?
Considering how easily disturbed people can be about sexuality that sure is a good scare tactic. Got quite a few to believe that.  Goes to show just how easy it is to distort reality. You'd think that it would be transparent by now but the same tactics work every single time on a certain segment of our society.
Abortion Gays Nazi accusations You'll loose your health care as you know it. Your elderly will be subject to a death panel.. etc etc etc What's sad is that the insurance companies are using our fears to further direct the outcome against the very people they are manipulating to stop it. And for get that you have already been manipulated to death by those very companies for years, while they laugh their a$$es off at how easy it is to destroy any possibility of competition. Clever? Not really, they just know human nature and fear tactics work. |
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Again this healthcare is not an infringement of anyones rights. It is not forced health insurance. It is an option that will be available. It is not socialized healthcare since it will not be the only healthcare on the list. If employers who cannot afford to carry insurance for their employees opt out of carrying health care at least the employees have this option. Nothing is perfect, nothing. There will be bugs and issues to work out but the fact that we need it and it is doable should be enough for us to be supportive. so can you give me a real reason yet why we need this that is based in fact and not emotion? Something that does not involve the phrase "we are the greatest nation in the world" maybe? The honest answer is yes, this is socialized health insurance. That's what a health insurance run by the federal government is by definition. I'd like to point out to you, again, that any additional tax is a violation of my liberties and rights. I will have to pay a tax on my health insurance which will take my hard-earned money and give it to some low-life that refuses to take care of themself. That is ********. We do not need the nanny state, expecially a half-assed nanny state where we pay for healthcare yet still allow them to act as they please, further increasing that cost. Low lifes? I know people that work their butts off and their jobs don't offer insurance. I know single moms working two jobs and they don't have insurance. I know somebody that works outside 12 and more hours a day and sometimes 6 days a week and he doesn't have health insurance. I know people out of jobs due to the recession and they don't have insurance. These people are NOT low lifes. 
i never said they were all low-lifes. i don't think I should have to support any of them but I REALLY am against supporting the lazy scum in the pond. |
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Again this healthcare is not an infringement of anyones rights. It is not forced health insurance. It is an option that will be available. It is not socialized healthcare since it will not be the only healthcare on the list. If employers who cannot afford to carry insurance for their employees opt out of carrying health care at least the employees have this option. Nothing is perfect, nothing. There will be bugs and issues to work out but the fact that we need it and it is doable should be enough for us to be supportive. so can you give me a real reason yet why we need this that is based in fact and not emotion? Something that does not involve the phrase "we are the greatest nation in the world" maybe? The honest answer is yes, this is socialized health insurance. That's what a health insurance run by the federal government is by definition. I'd like to point out to you, again, that any additional tax is a violation of my liberties and rights. I will have to pay a tax on my health insurance which will take my hard-earned money and give it to some low-life that refuses to take care of themself. That is ********. We do not need the nanny state, expecially a half-assed nanny state where we pay for healthcare yet still allow them to act as they please, further increasing that cost. Being the greatest na--- just joking...lol It is not forced health care. Socialization means government forced programs. It means there is not other options available but national healthcare. This is not socialized healthcare by any definition. So do you plan on giving me a reason why we need it? That was the actual intent of my post. This is essentially socialist health insurance in the making. This is step one: foot into the marketplace. I have yet to find a page that recants page 16 and I'm up to 4xx or something. But ignore that. Why do we need this? There are millions of people without health insurance that is a very valid reason. So deficiency decides need? Hell, I don't have a million dollars... maybe I deserve that too! There are billions of people in the world that do not even have close to the status of healthcare we do, let alone free access to it... what makes us so much better than them? this is the fatal flaw of the liberal philosophy on this topic: we deserve it because we are human beings but we are better than the other human beings in the world. |
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Unknow
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Again this healthcare is not an infringement of anyones rights. It is not forced health insurance. It is an option that will be available. It is not socialized healthcare since it will not be the only healthcare on the list. If employers who cannot afford to carry insurance for their employees opt out of carrying health care at least the employees have this option. Nothing is perfect, nothing. There will be bugs and issues to work out but the fact that we need it and it is doable should be enough for us to be supportive. so can you give me a real reason yet why we need this that is based in fact and not emotion? Something that does not involve the phrase "we are the greatest nation in the world" maybe? The honest answer is yes, this is socialized health insurance. That's what a health insurance run by the federal government is by definition. I'd like to point out to you, again, that any additional tax is a violation of my liberties and rights. I will have to pay a tax on my health insurance which will take my hard-earned money and give it to some low-life that refuses to take care of themself. That is ********. We do not need the nanny state, expecially a half-assed nanny state where we pay for healthcare yet still allow them to act as they please, further increasing that cost. Low lifes? I know people that work their butts off and their jobs don't offer insurance. I know single moms working two jobs and they don't have insurance. I know somebody that works outside 12 and more hours a day and sometimes 6 days a week and he doesn't have health insurance. I know people out of jobs due to the recession and they don't have insurance. These people are NOT low lifes.
i never said they were all low-lifes. i don't think I should have to support any of them but I REALLY am against supporting the lazy scum in the pond. The only way to stop the skyrocket is to denie care to people who cant pay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So who do you want to make that call????? Treat kids who parents cant pay but not adults who are low-lifes? Whos going to make that call????? |
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