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Topic: Jordan Chandler lied???
MirrorMirror Joined Fri 10/26/07 Posts: 89680	Tue 06/30/09 02:01 PM
OJ was found 'not guilty' of murder,but most of us know he did it,and now he's where he should be. Wacko Jacko was found 'not guilty' but is probably paying for his sins in the next life. justice will catch up with the guilty,either in this life or (let's hope) the next. be seeing you But the boy was shown to be lying in court There is no need to keep repeating the facts that everyone is already aware of. But the boy was shown to be lying in court

yellowrose10 Joined Tue 12/11/07 Posts: 52804	Tue 06/30/09 02:01 PM
civil and criminal courts are different. one can be found not guilty in criminal but found liable in civil. the settlement came from not proceeding with the civil trial a not guilty verdict does not mean innocent. someone can be found not guilty by reason of insanity. that doesn't mean they are innocent that is true but if a trial goes thru all phases and now defense saying i did it but was used then they should not be permitted to move into a civil action i know they can but i feel it is wrong and a form of double jeopardy civil actions are for punitive damages. look at the OJ case. found not guilty in criminal but the family of the victims pushed a verdict in civil. it's not the same justice...but justice in MJ case....they had a criminal trial...found not guilty...then instead of pushing a verdict in civil...the families settled. not verdict and no trial

MirrorMirror Joined Fri 10/26/07 Posts: 89680	Tue 06/30/09 02:02 PM
ANYWAYS...On with the conversation..... Yes, time to get on with the conversation. MJ is innocent. End of discussion. Innocent? not hardly. Not guilty perhaps, not proven guilty that would be correct. they are all distinctly different things. How so, DaveyB? Being accused means a person did it? No one is ever declared innocent under the law, because no man (human really) is innocent. They can be declared not guilty or not proven guilty (that can very state to state) but they cannot be declared innocent. The only that happened in court was that they found there was no enough evidence to prove him guilty (that's our so called innocent till proven guilty thing) He was not proven to be not guilty just not proven to be guilty. Do you admit then that MJ is not guilty of these accusations? how can any one admit not guilty of anything one can say they feel that they did not do it but unless they were with one of the two in question at the time they do not know for sure either way tried and acquitted end of story or at least it should have been civil action should be considered double jeopardy imo Just re-read and realized there is another issue here... If they had filed a civil suit such action is not considered double jeopardy because double jeopardy only applies to criminal law not civil law. The boy was shown to be lying in court Which would be a good reason to reach a settlement rather than Filing the civil suit. Still has nothing to do with double jeopardy. There was no settlement

DaveyB Joined Wed 10/10/07 Posts: 18786	Tue 06/30/09 02:02 PM
ANYWAYS...On with the conversation..... Yes, time to get on with the conversation. MJ is innocent. End of discussion. Innocent? not hardly. Not guilty perhaps, not proven guilty that would be correct. they are all distinctly different things. How so, DaveyB? Being accused means a person did it? No one is ever declared innocent under the law, because no man (human really) is innocent. They can be declared not guilty or not proven guilty (that can very state to state) but they cannot be declared innocent. The only that happened in court was that they found there was no enough evidence to prove him guilty (that's our so called innocent till proven guilty thing) He was not proven to be not guilty just not proven to be guilty. Do you admit then that MJ is not guilty of these accusations? No and neither did the courts from what I recall. As I recall it they found insufficient evidence. That does not prove he is not guilty, only means they're wasn't enough info to make a determination. If you have something that says other wise I'll look. I watched the verdict live on tv. He was not guilty on all counts Sorry I am not making this clear enough for you. The only verdicts available to the jurors in this case was guilty or not guilty. Interviews I heard said only that jurors felt the prosecution had not proven their case, not that they all were convinced MJ had not committed the crime. Remember "innocent till proven guilty", MJ was not required to prove he was not guilty and did not... and in all fairness could not. Only two who will ever know for sure if MJ and the boy. But you admit that the verdict was "not guilty"? and you realize that the boys story fell apart on the witness stand? That's why no civil trial. There was no civil trial because MJ settled and in essence paid them off. That could be because it was worth it to him not to have to go through the civil trial, or it could be because he was afraid of losing in which case he would have to pay more. I don't know the answer to that and neither does or will anyone else.

Winx Joined Fri 08/31/07 Posts: 39051	Tue 06/30/09 02:02 PM
OJ was found 'not guilty' of murder,but most of us know he did it,and now he's where he should be. Wacko Jacko was found 'not guilty' but is probably paying for his sins in the next life. justice will catch up with the guilty,either in this life or (let's hope) the next. be seeing you But the boy was shown to be lying in court There is no need to keep repeating the facts that everyone is already aware of. But the boy was shown to be lying in court Yep. End of story.

earthytaurus76 Joined Wed 04/08/09 Posts: 6603	Tue 06/30/09 02:02 PM
Who admittedly slept in the bed with other peoples children.

yellowrose10 Joined Tue 12/11/07 Posts: 52804	Tue 06/30/09 02:03 PM
Double Jeopardy A second prosecution for the same offense after acquittal or conviction or multiple punishments for same offense. The evil sought to be avoided by prohibiting double jeopardy is double trial and double conviction, not necessarily double punishment.

DaveyB Joined Wed 10/10/07 Posts: 18786	Tue 06/30/09 02:04 PM
OJ was found 'not guilty' of murder,but most of us know he did it,and now he's where he should be. Wacko Jacko was found 'not guilty' but is probably paying for his sins in the next life. justice will catch up with the guilty,either in this life or (let's hope) the next. be seeing you But the boy was shown to be lying in court There is no need to keep repeating the facts that everyone is already aware of. But the boy was shown to be lying in court Yep. End of story. One would think so, but here we are

MirrorMirror Joined Fri 10/26/07 Posts: 89680	Tue 06/30/09 02:04 PM
OJ was found 'not guilty' of murder,but most of us know he did it,and now he's where he should be. Wacko Jacko was found 'not guilty' but is probably paying for his sins in the next life. justice will catch up with the guilty,either in this life or (let's hope) the next. be seeing you But the boy was shown to be lying in court Yes, it was shown. Nobody could get their story straight. Thank you. I followed every day of that trial. Even watched the daily reenactments on CourtTV

Winx Joined Fri 08/31/07 Posts: 39051	Tue 06/30/09 02:04 PM
OJ was found 'not guilty' of murder,but most of us know he did it,and now he's where he should be. Wacko Jacko was found 'not guilty' but is probably paying for his sins in the next life. justice will catch up with the guilty,either in this life or (let's hope) the next. be seeing you But the boy was shown to be lying in court There is no need to keep repeating the facts that everyone is already aware of. But the boy was shown to be lying in court Yep. End of story. One would think so, but here we are

yellowrose10 Joined Tue 12/11/07 Posts: 52804	Tue 06/30/09 02:05 PM
regardless of what happened in the criminal trial...doesn't keep anyone from filing a civil suit. there are 2 different things

MirrorMirror Joined Fri 10/26/07 Posts: 89680	Tue 06/30/09 02:05 PM
Who admittedly slept in the bed with other peoples children. little pigtail girl

Winx Joined Fri 08/31/07 Posts: 39051	Tue 06/30/09 02:05 PM Edited by Winx on Tue 06/30/09 02:05 PM
OJ was found 'not guilty' of murder,but most of us know he did it,and now he's where he should be. Wacko Jacko was found 'not guilty' but is probably paying for his sins in the next life. justice will catch up with the guilty,either in this life or (let's hope) the next. be seeing you But the boy was shown to be lying in court There is no need to keep repeating the facts that everyone is already aware of. But the boy was shown to be lying in court Yep. End of story.

MirrorMirror Joined Fri 10/26/07 Posts: 89680	Tue 06/30/09 02:07 PM
regardless of what happened in the criminal trial...doesn't keep anyone from filing a civil suit. there are 2 different things But its kinda hard to do when the accuser got shown to be a liar in the criminal trial.

Mr_Music Joined Wed 10/22/08 Posts: 10677	Tue 06/30/09 02:08 PM
I'm through with this topic, and any like it. I'm done wasting my time explaining to hardheads who have already made up their mind based only on their own, or popular, opinion. The facts are documented. It's just too bad there are still so many people unwilling to deal with that. Mama Cass Elliot of the Mamas & The Papas died on July 29, 1974, of a heart attack. Thirty-five years later, there are still people who believe (and INSIST) she died from choking on a ham sandwich.

yellowrose10 Joined Tue 12/11/07 Posts: 52804	Tue 06/30/09 02:09 PM
regardless of what happened in the criminal trial...doesn't keep anyone from filing a civil suit. there are 2 different things But its kinda hard to do when the accuser got shown to be a liar in the criminal trial. 2 different courts. the settlement came after the criminal trial instead of going to civil

scttrbrain Joined Sun 04/08/07 Posts: 5769	Tue 06/30/09 02:10 PM
Who admittedly slept in the bed with other peoples children. So have I......and???

DaveyB Joined Wed 10/10/07 Posts: 18786	Tue 06/30/09 02:10 PM
OJ was found 'not guilty' of murder,but most of us know he did it,and now he's where he should be. Wacko Jacko was found 'not guilty' but is probably paying for his sins in the next life. justice will catch up with the guilty,either in this life or (let's hope) the next. be seeing you But the boy was shown to be lying in court Yes, it was shown. Nobody could get their story straight. Thank you. I followed every day of that trial. Even watched the daily reenactments on CourtTV And you saw the same stuff the jury did and they did not see enough to prove him guilty. Greedy people make stupid mistakes and it's pretty obvious Chandler was greedy. I don't know, nor does any one else know, if that means it was all totally made up or if he was trying to capitalize the most on whatever really did happen. IOW he probably coached his kid to tell some lies hoping solidify his case better and got caught in it. Same reason they had to acquit OJ in the criminal trial. That moron of a officer got greedy in his desire to take OJ down and screwed it up so they couldn't prove anything.

MirrorMirror Joined Fri 10/26/07 Posts: 89680	Tue 06/30/09 02:39 PM
Who admittedly slept in the bed with other peoples children. So have I......and???

auburngirl Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 18811	Wed 07/01/09 03:15 AM Edited by auburngirl on Wed 07/01/09 03:56 AM
To quote Phil Collins "I don't care anymore". Wacko Jacko is dead and The World is still turning. Media and Internet coverage has become boorish,let's move on. Here endeth the lesson. be seeing you He has spoken! Apologies. Typo due to rx pain pills. My bad.