Although it picked up a bit recently, the "engine" that powers the Gulf Stream is disappearing as the Arctic ice melts. The difference between the density of the salt water in the North and the ocean near the equator is what powers the Gulf Stream. This flow of water is what warms Europe and keeps it from looking like Siberia. This issue is "big" and has gotten some news coverage but as in all news, if it lacks excitement, it's time to move on. This true story and real problem is the basis of the movie "The Day After Tomorrow".

http://www.gulfstreamshutdown.com/

In case anyone has forgotten, the rainforest is disappearing at an ever increasing rate. There is some evidence that, at some point, the rest may disappear rapidly due to the inability to retain water (rainforsest removal usually results in desert conditions). This factory is what makes much of the air we breathe. The primarily third world nations where the rainforests are located are typically poor and have exploding populations who expand by destroying the rainforest for cropland. Since the soil is poor, they then abandon the land (which promptly turns to desert) and cut down more forest.


http://www.bionomicfuel.com/loss-of-tropical-rainforest-biome-may-be-a-catastrophe-for-mankind/

Any comments?

i tell people a lot, and i'm doing something about it in realtime as well...it's always good to see these awareness reminders! thanks! it does get lost in the din.......

It's a shame our species had no resepect for nature and our planet.

I'm afraid I have little or no faith that humanity will change anytime soon. On the contrary we aren't even addressing the real issues (like purposefully and voluntarily decreasing our population levels for one). People don't even want to think along those lines. But that's like the number one thing that truly needs to be done. We aren't even coming close to addressing that issue.

We'll like mold growing on the planet, we won't be content until we've covered it's entire surface with human bodies.

The solution:

A world dictator who is an environmentalist, naturlist, pacifist, vegetarian, that sets in strict laws to preserve and improve peace amongst humans, wildlife, and nature.

The Problem:

To get every single person on Earth to agree with the dictator.

there is a world dictator already, and nobody's listening......called mother nature, and she's pissed! she's just not the type to yell. nobody listens to the quiet one until it's too late.........i speak quietly too when i can, so i know this first hand on these threads...small slice of the world right here yanno? indicative of what's out there, and to come yet.....

Too bad the world's most popular religions didn't teach respect for nature instead of teaching people to stand around accusing each other of being sinners.

If only religions could have taught that planet Earth is God.

Imagine what a difference that would have made!

Ok, excuse me.

I guess it's just the pagan in me coming out.

Some religions did teach that Planet Earth is God. Unfortunately those religions fell by the wayside and were accused of being "sinful" by the more popular religions.

I agree.........Get rid of the bad element, in all walks of life, it sure would open up a lot of space for the good people that deserve to be here...

The American Indians had such a view. A famous quote from Chief Seattle that is widely spread on the internet is ....

CHIEF SEATTLE'S LETTER

"The President in Washington sends word that he wishes to buy our land. But how can you buy or sell the sky? the land? The idea is strange to us. If we do not own the freshness of the air and the sparkle of the water, how can you buy them?

Every part of the earth is sacred to my people. Every shining pine needle, every sandy shore, every mist in the dark woods, every meadow, every humming insect. All are holy in the memory and experience of my people.

We know the sap which courses through the trees as we know the blood that courses through our veins. We are part of the earth and it is part of us. The perfumed flowers are our sisters. The bear, the deer, the great eagle, these are our brothers. The rocky crests, the dew in the meadow, the body heat of the pony, and man all belong to the same family.

The shining water that moves in the streams and rivers is not just water, but the blood of our ancestors. If we sell you our land, you must remember that it is sacred. Each glossy reflection in the clear waters of the lakes tells of events and memories in the life of my people. The water's murmur is the voice of my father's father.

The rivers are our brothers. They quench our thirst. They carry our canoes and feed our children. So you must give the rivers the kindness that you would give any brother.

If we sell you our land, remember that the air is precious to us, that the air shares its spirit with all the life that it supports. The wind that gave our grandfather his first breath also received his last sigh. The wind also gives our children the spirit of life. So if we sell our land, you must keep it apart and sacred, as a place where man can go to taste the wind that is sweetened by the meadow flowers.

Will you teach your children what we have taught our children? That the earth is our mother? What befalls the earth befalls all the sons of the earth.

This we know: the earth does not belong to man, man belongs to the earth. All things are connected like the blood that unites us all. Man did not weave the web of life, he is merely a strand in it. Whatever he does to the web, he does to himself. ...... "

This quote is believed to be inaccurate but carries the general idea. I personally don't care if it has been embellished a bit. I like it.

The earth is our mother?

Murder those savage red-skinned heathens!

Send their children to Sunday School to learn the truth of Jesus Christ!

We'll make earth-hating bigots out of them in no time!

We'll have none of this crap about earth being our mother.

The earth is Satan's domain!

What a bunch of heathen savages!

Too bad that not all humans listen to this beautiful dictator. Therefore humans will be paying the consequences for not listening.

The other day I even found that in a certain part of the Declaration of Independence they mention savages

It it truly saddening indeed

http://mingle2.com/topic/show/229569

she'll get savage when the poles switch..what 3-5 years from now? already starting to wobble now......

Actually it has wobbled for a very long time, maybe millions of years or more; maybe even since the moon was formed. The 26,000 year period of the wobble is what gave us astrology as the ancients watched the stars rise in a slightly different point each year. Each one twelfth of a wobble covers a certain constellation in the sky and is called an "age" i.e., "age of Aquarius" So that the Earth completes one wobble and goes around all twelve star constellations. This wobble is called "precession".

There is an instability in the balance of the earth which may be caused by the Ross Ice Shelf melting in Antarctica which may wreak havoc on earth's spin, which is probably the "wobble" to which you refer. There appears to be a connection (according to some) with the huge earthquake in the Indian Ocean recently.

The Earth has switched its poles many times in the past.

Very very interesting about the "wobble" or "precession". I didn't know that.

Handle,
I don't think the spaceflight plan is going to happen quick enough. What is "Plan B"?

Germ Warfare?

Watch out for that falling sky . . .

The evidence for anthropogenic global warming is based on half truths and pseudo science. It is just another way for politicians to control us and steel from our pockets.

maybe read this first....

http://www.petitionproject.org/

see ya!

Actually, if you go to that site, you should go to this one next.

http://www.sciencecases.org/petition/petition.asp

First of all, this thread is not about the Kyoto Treaty.

Second, many people who signed the "petition" to which you refer are against the treaty, period. The pros and cons of the effects have nothing to do with pros and cons of the treaty which would hurt the economies of industrial countries while allowing underdeveloped countries like 'China' to make up the difference.

Thirdly, some of the facts in the petition are distorted and many of the scientists signing the petition against the Kyoto Treaty know it. They just want to keep their jobs. Some of the information in the petition is so blaently biased that any educated person could spot it ... for example this quote

"Inexpensively blocking the sun by means of particles in the upper atmosphere would be effective. S.S. Penner, A.M. Schneider, and E. M. Kennedy have proposed (98) that the exhaust systems of commercial airliners could be tuned in such a way as to eject particulate sun-blocking material into the upper atmosphere. Later, Edward Teller similarly suggested (18) that particles could be injected into the atmosphere in order to reduce solar heating and cool the Earth. Teller estimated a cost of between $500 million and $1 billion per year for between 1 ºC and 3 ºC of cooling. Both methods use particles so small that they would be invisible from the Earth.

These methods would be effective and economical in blocking solar radiation and reducing atmospheric and surface temperatures. There are other similar proposals (99). World energy rationing, on the other hand, would not work.

The climate of the Earth is now benign. If temperatures become too warm, this can easily be corrected. If they become too cold, we have no means of response – except to maximize nuclear and hydrocarbon energy production and technological advance. This would help humanity adapt and might lead to new mitigation technology."

Fourthly, some of the aspects of global warming are only now being realized. Regardless of the "extra" carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, chopping down the rain forests results in permanent loss.

The gulf stream engine problem is about the geopolitical consequences of Europe freezing over and was completely "off the radar" during the Kyoto Treaty period. The gulf stream problem is well documented.

Geezz.