That's my point

wjc maybe but bho had no power then

I usually don't post to the conspiracy theory threads because I have found that many people believe what they want to believe and will ignore the facts. Many people are truly interested in the mechanics of what happened but cannot tell the difference between the "facts" presented to support the theory and the actual facts presented by someone knowledgeable. Many people are presented as experts just to make a buck, or a name, or trouble just for fun.

When the Twin Towers fell, I was watching on TV and watched as the second plane hit. Within minutes, I knew the buildings were going to fall and fall in exactly the way that happened.

Here are a few facts to consider on Flight 77.

Aircraft are made of very thin sheet metal aluminum for the most part. If you do not know what happens to aluminum in a fire, go build a charcoal fire and throw a crushed beer can into it and watch what happens. Or come back later and see how much of the can you can find. Aluminum burns and is the major component of high class fireworks.

Everyone wants to quote the melting point of steel as being so much higher than the heat of a burning jet fuel fire. The fact is that steel begins to lose it's strength rapidly over 600F and has fallen to the ground well before 1800F ever happens. Keep in mind the steel is there supporting weight and will not do that in a weakened state. No knowledgeable person has ever said the steel in any of these buildings "melted". They either don't have a clue or just misinterpreted the fact that the steel "failed" once it became softened by the heat.

There are lots of pictures of the pieces of the plane and the engines at the Pentagon. All you need to find them is the urge to look. The US Gov't has a policy to suppress information of that nature because terrorists could use the information on damage to plan a better attack next time. For this reason, among others, the cleanup of the Pentagon site happened at maximum speed. IMHO, I think part of the reason the cleanup happened so fast was to get the minds of the Pentagon workers back to their jobs ASAP to stop this type of event from reoccurring.

I don't expect most to give my words any more credence than those of anyone else. However, the friends I have made would have confidence that I know quite a bit about Metal and Wings .... and I don't need to research the net for facts on either.

Terrorists hijacked Flight 77 and flew it into the Pentagon. The real conspiracy, as I see it, is how the gov't has convinced a population steeped in the history of self defense, empowered by a Constitution to protect against excessive government authority, and provided with a superior education, to sit by idle while a couple of idiots with box cutters kill you and thousands of innocent citizens.

you are right. I blame people for what they did...not others. but i have never seen any politician without any blame so far. I may not care for BHO....but I blame those that deserve the blame and I don't think any politician is perfect

So the 6 ton engines are made of aluminum?

I have seen the result of a mustang hitting the piling on a highway bridge at 90 or so miles per hour. It was completely masticated. The peices of the car were strewn for quite a ways, engine and all.

The bodies were worse off of course.

Not only was the plane going faster than this but the building was more solid. Hell yea it was destroyed completely and add the fire on top of that oh yea.

I know babe, that is why I reiterated it

The plane engines can be seen in most any of the Pentagon pictures. I thought you were talking about plane disinegrating.

so 747 engines are made of 6 tons of solid titanium?

All this talk of burning aluminum has made me crave beer can chicken.

I'm firing up the grill later.

is the government behind that too? lol

I think you a very knowledgable person wing as I have said before, but there are still other factors or questions.

For one, the fires were starved for oxygen as the black smoke showed so never achieved and real temperature to fatigue the steel. Not over a big enough area, or for long enough. People were standing in the impact hole shortly after the impact so there is no way the fire was jet fuel fed. It ignited on impact.....a flash burn.

The tower in Madrid burned for 18 hours or more, a red hot flame, over the entire top, but didn't fall. The towers fell in under an hour with only damage to a few certain floors. But again, this is another topic.

While the plane may be constucted of aluminum, the massive engines are not, and there are no pictures of these engines being found at the Pentagon. There is a picture of a single turbine part, but it is too small for the 757 engines by a great deal, and there was only one shown.

This is a simple rebuttal, please understand, I don't profess to be any skilled or knowledgable person on such things, but my eyes saw something that doesn't add up, even if only by picture evidence which was very lacking for a real report of any kind to base a solid opinion on.

Please don't hate me for being a devils advocate everyone. I simply have questions and thank you all for your opinions.

As a side note..... very few things ever burn "completely" there should be some remains of luggage, seats, fuselage, something, scattered over the entire area as it exploded on impact. Where are they?

You will notice the aluminum metal parts found were not even fire charred or flash marked?

I like your questions and you're too cute to hate

you sweet talker you

get a room you two

ok but I won't tell you which room

I will run up and down the halls shouting bad things to you 2

Here is a great link to the photos of the Madrid fire.

http://judicial-inc.biz/Madrid_skyscraper.htm

I can't keep this a secret any longer..

P E T A did it