Topic: On Knowing...
ThomasJB's photo
Mon 04/27/09 10:58 PM

Thomas stated...

Free will is an illusion. We (for whichever reason you choose) do not instigate actions, but we only react to stimuli. I eat because I am hungry. I sleep because I am tired. I hurt because something pains to me. I seek out a mate because of an inherent desire to procreate or because I am lonely.


The quote gives me a little pause which results from the second sentence. Conscious thought does instigate actions, as does the unconscious and instinctual factors. Pure responsive behavior exists without conscious thought, and therefore is not 'freely' chosen. This alone does not support a claim for the existence of 'free' will though, because conscious choice is not 'freely' chosen either.

In order to choose 'A', one must know of 'A'.

The will is not 'free' from external influence, therefore is not 'free' at all.


I wouldn't suggest they are reflexive actions, but their motivation is from stimuli. Whatever choice we make is not a result of free will but our chemicals reacting to other chemicals.

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Mon 04/27/09 11:04 PM
If I had more time, I would do more research on thought transference, it IS actually proven SCIENTIFICLY POSSIBLE telepathywise, but a skill definitely quite dynamic if honed. HOWEVER as in a recent post Im sure you are familiar with by another... mind control.. LOL COME ON!!!

Thats when we get into evil, and wrong, and "bad" magnetisim has its place, but not in the absoloute way. Not in the way of law, or confirmation, or anything sane AS FAR AS MERE ATTRACTION. You cant FORCE ATTRACTION, i accept that I am poweless over alot of things, and I move on.

In Maslows theory <<<< theory I said it states that a higher power is required to thrive amongst other things. Like oxygen, water, shelter, acceptance. I am a fan of it.. I take the dont knows, and impossibles to my "higher power" which I choose to call God, and stay dilligent to work hard on the rest. Any idea that because were not totally metaphisical minded we are "lazy" is just close minded. Many of us live happy lives otherwise, and thrive. Its not always just one way in that right.. you know?

ThomasJB's photo
Mon 04/27/09 11:10 PM

If I had more time, I would do more research on thought transference, it IS actually proven SCIENTIFICLY POSSIBLE telepathywise, but a skill definitely quite dynamic if honed. HOWEVER as in a recent post Im sure you are familiar with by another... mind control.. LOL COME ON!!!

Thats when we get into evil, and wrong, and "bad" magnetisim has its place, but not in the absoloute way. Not in the way of law, or confirmation, or anything sane AS FAR AS MERE ATTRACTION. You cant FORCE ATTRACTION, i accept that I am poweless over alot of things, and I move on.

In Maslows theory <<<< theory I said it states that a higher power is required to thrive amongst other things. Like oxygen, water, shelter, acceptance. I am a fan of it.. I take the dont knows, and impossibles to my "higher power" which I choose to call God, and stay dilligent to work hard on the rest. Any idea that because were not totally metaphisical minded we are "lazy" is just close minded. Many of us live happy lives otherwise, and thrive. Its not always just one way in that right.. you know?


I don't recall ever seeing anything telepathically being scientifically proven except wrong.
I am my own my own higher power, which is why I find it important to wrestle with the science and metaphysics of the universe.

earthytaurus76's photo
Mon 04/27/09 11:11 PM
Look it up.

creativesoul's photo
Mon 04/27/09 11:15 PM
Thomas...

Because there are known chemical reactions within the brain caused by electrical impulses in response to physical or mental(prior physical) stimulus does not warrant a belief that everything is predetermined.

I find that I do not believe in 'free' will or strict determinism, which leads to fatalism. I believe in a determined will. I am not sure how or where to draw that line though. I believe that random chance does this though... without losing the importance of determinism whilst disallowing for a 'free' will.

Thoughts?

ThomasJB's photo
Mon 04/27/09 11:17 PM

Look it up.

Thought transference is old term which has been replaced by telepathy.
A technique which shows statistically significant evidence of telepathy on every occasion has yet to be discovered. This lack of reliable reproducibility argues that there is no credible scientific evidence for the existence of telepathy at all.

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Mon 04/27/09 11:22 PM
Hey. People abducted by aliens report that they were communicated with via the means of telepathy. Don't go saying it don't exist. We have witnesses. :angry: :tongue:

Besides, I have done it myself. I know it is possible. :smile:


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Mon 04/27/09 11:23 PM


Look it up.

Thought transference is old term which has been replaced by telepathy.
A technique which shows statistically significant evidence of telepathy on every occasion has yet to be discovered. This lack of reliable reproducibility argues that there is no credible scientific evidence for the existence of telepathy at all.

Where in the world is the proof that science means fact? we go by percentage... actual events.. experience.. advice. But I tend to go with what has MANY MANY times been proven. Science doesnt mean fact.

ThomasJB's photo
Mon 04/27/09 11:24 PM

Hey. People abducted by aliens report that they were communicated with via the means of telepathy. Don't go saying it don't exist. We have witnesses. :angry: :tongue:

Besides, I have done it myself. I know it is possible. :smile:




What am I thinking? I'm sending you telepathic message. Am I gettin' through?

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Mon 04/27/09 11:25 PM



Look it up.

Thought transference is old term which has been replaced by telepathy.
A technique which shows statistically significant evidence of telepathy on every occasion has yet to be discovered. This lack of reliable reproducibility argues that there is no credible scientific evidence for the existence of telepathy at all.

Where in the world is the proof that science means fact? we go by percentage... actual events.. experience.. advice. But I tend to go with what has MANY MANY times been proven. Science doesnt mean fact.


You go girl! Yeh you are right.

Just who do these so-called scientists think they are anyway? They don't make the rules and they don't know the laws of the universe.

They can just put a sock in it. rant rant :tongue: waving

ThomasJB's photo
Mon 04/27/09 11:26 PM



Look it up.

Thought transference is old term which has been replaced by telepathy.
A technique which shows statistically significant evidence of telepathy on every occasion has yet to be discovered. This lack of reliable reproducibility argues that there is no credible scientific evidence for the existence of telepathy at all.

Where in the world is the proof that science means fact? we go by percentage... actual events.. experience.. advice. But I tend to go with what has MANY MANY times been proven. Science doesnt mean fact.


Science is means of testing truth. Show me where it has been proven many many times.

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Mon 04/27/09 11:26 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Mon 04/27/09 11:26 PM


Hey. People abducted by aliens report that they were communicated with via the means of telepathy. Don't go saying it don't exist. We have witnesses. :angry: :tongue:

Besides, I have done it myself. I know it is possible. :smile:




What am I thinking? I'm sending you telepathic message. Am I gettin' through?


I have discovered that I first have to have a intimate sexual encounter with a person before I can speak to them telepathically.:tongue: :banana:

ThomasJB's photo
Mon 04/27/09 11:27 PM



Hey. People abducted by aliens report that they were communicated with via the means of telepathy. Don't go saying it don't exist. We have witnesses. :angry: :tongue:

Besides, I have done it myself. I know it is possible. :smile:




What am I thinking? I'm sending you telepathic message. Am I gettin' through?


I have discovered that I first have to have a intimate sexual encounter with a person before I can speak to them telepathically.:tongue: :banana:


So it only works during sex? Sexual telepathy, you make some money off an idea like that. :laughing:

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Mon 04/27/09 11:28 PM

And if you think that is somtehing, wait until you have astral sex.

laugh :tongue:

Its getting late I'm going ga ga ga...laugh laugh laugh

earthytaurus76's photo
Mon 04/27/09 11:29 PM


Hey. People abducted by aliens report that they were communicated with via the means of telepathy. Don't go saying it don't exist. We have witnesses. :angry: :tongue:

Besides, I have done it myself. I know it is possible. :smile:




What am I thinking? I'm sending you telepathic message. Am I gettin' through?


Noone has stated everyone is able to do this, but it is said by SCIENTISTS that it is a skill that can be hightened by pretty much anyone. Im a fan of the aliens too. what have they ever done to you? Do I hear you.. NO MY CHOICES ARE BLOCKING YOU OUT, because proof has shown me its a BAD CHOICE.

Are you still thinking about bodily functions?

ThomasJB's photo
Mon 04/27/09 11:29 PM


And if you think that is somtehing, wait until you have astral sex.

laugh :tongue:

Its getting late I'm going ga ga ga...laugh laugh laugh


Astral sex. Is that like the mile high club? rofl

creativesoul's photo
Mon 04/27/09 11:30 PM
If I had more time, I would do more research on thought transference, it IS actually proven SCIENTIFICLY POSSIBLE telepathywise, but a skill definitely quite dynamic if honed. HOWEVER as in a recent post Im sure you are familiar with by another... mind control.. LOL COME ON!!!

Thats when we get into evil, and wrong, and "bad" magnetisim has its place, but not in the absoloute way. Not in the way of law, or confirmation, or anything sane AS FAR AS MERE ATTRACTION. You cant FORCE ATTRACTION, i accept that I am poweless over alot of things, and I move on.

In Maslows theory <<<< theory I said it states that a higher power is required to thrive amongst other things. Like oxygen, water, shelter, acceptance. I am a fan of it.. I take the dont knows, and impossibles to my "higher power" which I choose to call God, and stay dilligent to work hard on the rest. Any idea that because were not totally metaphisical minded we are "lazy" is just close minded. Many of us live happy lives otherwise, and thrive. Its not always just one way in that right.. you know?


Being extremely linear in thought, what I accept as true must be able to be worked into what is already known.

The relationship(s) between us and the world itself are completely impersonal. There is no room for intent, purpose, or reason when contemplating that which happens to us. Being able to recognize the role which one has played in the matters at hand help one to be able to adjust the choices in the future, should the need arise.

However, to chalk it up to a transcendental cause, no matter what one labels it, has the possibility for ignoring what could be a very necessary consideration process for taking effective action. Effective meaning one(s) which better suit the possibility of a wanted outcome. One cannot expect to take actions which better lead to one's goals without knowing what the goals are, and how to effectively assess cause and effect.


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Mon 04/27/09 11:30 PM




Hey. People abducted by aliens report that they were communicated with via the means of telepathy. Don't go saying it don't exist. We have witnesses. :angry: :tongue:

Besides, I have done it myself. I know it is possible. :smile:




What am I thinking? I'm sending you telepathic message. Am I gettin' through?


I have discovered that I first have to have a intimate sexual encounter with a person before I can speak to them telepathically.:tongue: :banana:


So it only works during sex? Sexual telepathy, you make some money off an idea like that. :laughing:


NO NO it only worked for me between a man I was sexually involved with. NOT during sex. When we were miles apart.

I also have had discussion on the astral plane with people but that is a little different.

earthytaurus76's photo
Mon 04/27/09 11:30 PM
tantric .. astral.. been there.. your taking me to a better place.. I am seeing your energy more and more.. pretty,

ThomasJB's photo
Mon 04/27/09 11:30 PM



Hey. People abducted by aliens report that they were communicated with via the means of telepathy. Don't go saying it don't exist. We have witnesses. :angry: :tongue:

Besides, I have done it myself. I know it is possible. :smile:




What am I thinking? I'm sending you telepathic message. Am I gettin' through?


Noone has stated everyone is able to do this, but it is said by SCIENTISTS that it is a skill that can be hightened by pretty much anyone. Im a fan of the aliens too. what have they ever done to you? Do I hear you.. NO MY CHOICES ARE BLOCKING YOU OUT, because proof has shown me its a BAD CHOICE.

Are you still thinking about bodily functions?


What scientists? And I'm always thinking about bodily functions? winking rofl slaphead