Was that an answer to the question posed?

I can only speak for me...

This you know because it feels right? Is this what you are meaning? Is that like recognizing that one's feelings must match one's thoughts about themselves? A self-assuredness based upon contentment in emotion?

I know that you are not one to over-define things, sorry...


Know that I ask with pure intention.

It's not an answer, it's a way of pointing out that your question doesn't hold water.

There are two possibilities, we can either know things or we can't know anything.

If we can know things, then your question doesn't need to be asked.

If we can't know anything, then there is no meaning to anything, not even a question. In this case, your question is simply meaningless and should not be asked.

You see... if you are asking a question with hopes that the answer can rationally be given, then that rationale has to be based on knowledge. On the other hand, if you are asking a question on the basis that nothing can be known, there is not point to asking the question.

You follow?

Yep. That's it. Black and white. We either can know things or we can't.

It boils down to this. Everything is a point of view or opinion.

Knowing is a personal thing. I may know something and you may not believe it. So that appears to be a point of view or an opinion.

Perspective is everything.

Gianni,

How does this...





Follow from this...

You completely missed my point. Yes I gave that imperative, but then I developed it....

..you can only think you know..until you have the proof that what you thought you knew was right........i think...

IT DOESN'T FOLLOW

I never said that I was answering your question. On the contrary, why would I answer a question that shouldn't be asked?

If you want to know why it shouldn't be asked, refer to my response and keep reading it until it clicks.

I would suggest re-reading the question...

You claiming that it does not hold water means nothing. I did not ask whether or not we could know something.

I asked a question pertaining to how...not if.

Ok, keep skating...

Senseless responses are just that...

Metaphor during conversation requires the proper groundwork, my friend, which has not been laid as of yet.

Address the question at hand.

Your response only applies to a question which asks whether or not we can know something. There is no doubt that we can.

Gianni,



Tell me how the above leads one to the conclusion that the following question needn't be asked...

What constitutes knowing something?

If we can know things, then we need not ask what it means to know?

We need not ask how it is that we come to know?

We need not ask what constitutes knowing?

These questions need not be asked because we must use that which we know in order to answer it?

Why is that an issue?

Michael... I will do my best....


Walking into a gathering of friends...greeting, laughing, joking... introductions...

I turned, my eyes met another... and wham! I knew him....no thinking where do I know you from...I mean KNEW him...I knew he sang with the deepest baritone, I knew he cried when he sang of his mother, I knew he played guitar!...I knew he had three kids, and his youngest was called Chloe...I knew him...

all in pictures, in snapshots in my head...

did I know him? as in a history of him, perhaps a prepossesed intellectual knowledge of him, through others?

Never ever seen him before in my life...ever, no one had spoken of him..

Ok... walking along the beach...watching the fish leap over the waves in schools...thinking of fish, and wondering what what chasing them to make them leap...Wham! My dad's voice, saying, 'Goodbye love, take care of your Mum'... I grabbed my phone, and it read 5.12 am.....

I went to ring my Mum, because I KNEW....then I THOUGHT......... nahh, bloody dramatic idiot!............guess what time my Dad died???

that is my life Michael....'reading' people... 'smelling' situations, tensions, stuff that hasn't happened yet, then does.... I just KNOW...

and I trust my Knowing, cause I did drop out of my head...(reasoning, logical explanations, etc)...and dropped into my heart..(accepting, trusting, allowing)...


Hope this helps a little bit..

"knowing" or "believing" in something is abstract and easily discarded.

However, breaking things down logically and proving things scientifically is our best bet.

For whom?

The 'knower' or the 'thinker'?


There doesn't have to be logic to consciousness, interconnectedness, awareness, centredness, or knowing...

None of it is reduced by scientific discardation...


it just IS.

when we are born, the slate is clean, as an infant though we already 'know', in a very primate state, what is needed to survive. everything from that point is given to us through input/knowledge from others. at various points in our lives we test this knowledge, we rebel, we accept, we question. for me personally, it is through experience that i have come to know what i know, challenging that what i've been told vs. what i have found to be true...or comfortable. the difficult journey in this is finding the peace between the head and the heart; one speaks of logic and the other, feelings/emotions and the two can be very contradictive of each other. this is where i have struggled on many occassions to 'know', but once i find peace in its acceptance, it becomes something that i know. geez...i hope i answered the question!

perhaps there are types of knowing?

this might be a conversation of apples and oranges. Yes both fruit but still with distinct differences and of course used for certain dishes.
Wow, they can be mixed at times.

And yes people have preferences in fruit. Some like to be able to eat the peel and all, some like to have to peel a peel, pull a fruit apart, see the seeds floating around in the meat of the fruit.

HMMMMM

The knower does not have to break it down scientifically. They just know. Why would they bother to over think what they know???

Only the doubter breaks things down logically and tries to prove things scientifically.

I think we just know we know.

If you know something, there is no doubt.